Season of Champions week 2: AtLC Hype is still a go.

[superaielman]

Isolde>Fou-Lu
Ryu>Heat
Melfice>Menardi
Profound Darkness>Lady

Arc>Harken
Raquel>Demi
Luca 6, Valvalis 3
Chaz>KOS-MOS

Peppita>Ramsus
Juan>Hahn
Justin>Agrias
Nina>Alice


Shabon>Erk
Sara>Jaffar
Palom>Black Wizard
Titania>Blastoise

Godlike:

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Kuja (FF9)
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)
Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Piastol (SoA)

Heavy:

Elc (AtLC) vs Dario (CC)
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Ted (S4)
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG)

Middle:

Rutee Katrina (ToD) vs Nash Latjke (S3)
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Antenora (WA2)
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1)
Lin (BoF5) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)

Light:

Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Garet (GS)
FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Tengaar (Suikos) vs Lieza (AtLC)
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1)

[superaielman]

Godlike:

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)- Chaos Shield slowns down Seph's offense enough.
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Kuja (FF9)- Kuja belongs in the Middle group of champs, not Godlike.
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)- Myria 3 handles this easily enough.
Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Piastol (SoA)

Heavy:

Elc (AtLC) vs Dario (CC)- Dario.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vsTed (S4)- OHKOs Jowy through Silver Armor/Hat, isn't killed by a single hungry friend.
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)- He can block the two statuses that he cares about (Stone and Paralyze). He otherwise 2HKOs Kato and goes first.
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG)- EDIT: Haste, heal, fire shield, outlast. Decus can only use Explode four times.
Middle:

Rutee Katrina (ToD) vs Nash Latjke (S3)- Sharpness means that Rutee can manage a heal lock.
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Antenora (WA2)-Venusaur's got more than enough offense to handle this. Healing and overgrowth help too. 
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1)- I buy a OHKO. Max's offense was just plain nasty in SF1r.
Lin (BoF5) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)- Lin's not much without ID.

Light:

Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Garet (GS)- Stun's out and Garet resists Ricardo's meh damage (It's fire elemental, the one type of magic he doesn't fear) and he's good against physicals. Ricardo ALSO halves Garet's magic offense, meaning that Garet is left with a 5HKO physical.  *Checks topic* Oh right. Ricardo had bad wind magic. Garet's got bad Mdef and a nasty weakness to wind, so that is enough to own him.
FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)- FF4 mages laugh at Rena offense. That's never a good sign.
Tengaar (Suikos) vs Lieza (AtLC)- I think she can outlast Tengaar's MP.
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1)- Inflict poison, spam Al Bhed potions to stay alive.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars) - Speed split. Seph isn't far from insta-tripling and Ghaleon misses a OHKO even without Wall in the equation. Chaos Shield is a -waste of time- even ignoring Dispel, it slows down Ghal's offense far more than Seph's with the egregious speed difference.
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Kuja (FF9) - lol
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6) - Jesus.

Elc (AtLC) vs Dario (CC) - Has a lighter.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Ted (S4) - Is above average at taking magic, thus survives a single Hungry Friend. On the other hand, even dark halving doesn't keep Jowy from being OHKOed himself. Judgment is -nuts-.
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2) - EDIT: So, all three. Yeah, that's game. Claude loses offense with the statusblockers, of course, but honestly, Kato slugfesting has issues.
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG) - EDIT: Nevermind. You seriously can cast Explode four times and then lolol, Decus?

Rutee Katrea (ToD) vs Nash Latjke (S3) - The aiel is right, though Nash's evade makes the fight interesting. Silent Lake gets him outslugged, since she can use Bloody Rose under it.
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Antenora (WA2) - Owch.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1) - Either a crit or a double -will- KO Yulie, Protect or no Protect. Yulie doesn't like damage instability at all.

FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2) - Dear -god-.
Tengaar (Suikos) vs Lieza (AtLC) - Huh, tricky fight. Lieza counters heal-lock attempts with status physicals (ranged, soooo. I don't think Revenge Earth works against -counters-, so the fundamental problem ain't solved there) and Tengaar doesn't OHKO due to 25% Earth resist. Tempted to say some spoiling happens. EDIT: Yeah, think it's enough. Tengaar just won't see a double ever, since they're both equal speed after the first turn and Lieza is slightly faster before, and Lieza's resource depth is kind of ridiculous. The shit counter damage, free turn for healing and applying actual damage gotten from Sleep connecting every now and then and the opening turn just add up in a really long match.
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1) - So much healing.

[superaielman]

Kato can inflict silence, though it doesn't do anything to Claude. (He'd need to be hit by something like Grandia move block). That said, status and how you take it, etc. Claude can block silence with his armor, though it requires the magical rasp to create it.

[Nephrite]

Godlike:

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Kuja (FF9) - Dear god.
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)
Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Piastol (SoA)

Heavy:

Elc (AtLC) vs Dario (CC)
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Ted (S4)
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2) - I let Kato do his combo and see him as a bit more durable than most, so...
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG)

Middle:

Rutee Katrina (ToD) vs Nash Latjke (S3)
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Antenora (WA2)
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1)
Lin (BoF5) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)

Light:

Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Garet (GS)
FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Tengaar (Suikos) vs Lieza (AtLC)
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1) - Rikku probably something like triple-turns with Al-Bhed Potions, right?

[Random Consonant]

Godlike:

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars) - Speed split, sure.

Heavy:

Elc (AtLC) vs Dario (CC) - :nelsonlaugh:
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2) - Error 404: Kato durability respect not found.
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG) - Yeah Matchlock ammo should override the innate holy property of his base physicals, I'd be surprised if it didn't carry over to DBs too.  Getting Water should be enough.  Edit: okay it doesn't carry over to DBs but Decus resource depth is apparently fail.

Middle:

Venusaur (PKMN) vs Antenora (WA2) - Insert respect for Antenora's nonsense somewhere else.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1) - Ow.

Light:

Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Garet (GS) - Outslugs.
FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2) - *dear god*
Tengaar (Suikos) vs Lieza (AtLC) - I'll bite.
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1) - lol

[Cmdr_King]

Godlike:

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Kuja (FF9)
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)
Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Piastol (SoA)

Heavy:

Elc (AtLC) vs Dario (CC)- No vote.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Ted (S4)
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG)- reading up on the BMG, it seems that adding elements to your attack (which is more or less what matchlock is doing) merely adds elements where there weren't any before, and any other default element is unaffected.  Now, this is just a quick reading, so if actual tests show different then nevermind.  But if it only changes the element of the T attack and not the deathblow, which is what it read like to me, then he just doesn't have the damage to win before running out of resources.

Middle:

Rutee Katrina (ToD) vs Nash Latjke (S3)- No vote.
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Antenora (WA2)
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1)- No vote.
Lin (BoF5) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)

Light:

Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Garet (GS)
FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Tengaar (Suikos) vs Lieza (AtLC)- No vote.
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1)

[Dark Holy Elf]

Godlike:

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars): Wall then six Shadow Flares. I guess Ghaleon has a slim case involving surviving that and still having enough damage post-Chaos Shield to win but I really really doubt it.
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Kuja (FF9): oh boy it's Jenna. Not sure what I think about her, but she's good enough to handle Kuja.
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6): Y'know I'm not sure Myria 3 actually does handle this...

Heavy:

Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Ted (S4): This is one of those results that just feels kinda wrong. Jowy is so close to OHKOing Ted and so close to surviving via dark resist, but neither's the case. So it goes.
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2): Yeah, not a fan of saying "SH silence stops everything except basic physicals!" The problem with that view is that SH2 actually has good basic physicals so the damage hit isn't nearly what it would be if he tech-blocked Claude, this is why I use defender's definition for silence. Also I shouldn't have to decide if silence-blocking is legal for Claude when this is a completely moot question in-game.
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG): Um guys? Even if only Billy's triangle attacks obtain the ice element that's enough here. Billy can half fire and haste himself so he can alternate three attacks with one shot of healing, he'll win this even if his damage is Cristo-level.

The more I think about it, I'm also not sure what I think about Billy's damage suffereing against "light" resistance. Holy resistance doesn't actually exist in XG, according to the BMG, and I recall nothing in-game documenting the element as holy/light... it's a strictly positive effect attached to Billy's guns. I guess this isn't that different from PS4 but at least PS4 holy is resisted by one enemy and also is much more flavourfully an element. For the record, the ONLY enemies in XG that react to this element at all are Wels, which are weak to it.

Middle:

Venusaur (PKMN) vs Antenora (WA2): RBY's the only Venusaur with good damage and it doesn't have any status resistance berries. If Venusaur had both I would maybe, maybe consider voting for it.
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1): Sure if people say so.
Lin (BoF5) vs Delita Hyral (FFT): So Delita is either death-immune by virtue of being a guest or gets death immunity by virtue of being able to change equipment. Either way, go away Lin.

Light:

FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2): too bad zylo/mullen never won light
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1): I was wondering if she'd have enough ABPs for this, then I remembered she can hold out for a sleep + poison limit which... won't be fatal actually (sleep won't last long enough so Hellion can wake up and recast Copper Flesh which nulls poison damage). Still, it does give her a small push. Kneejerk is she can take it (that speed split), though not 100% certain.

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike:

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)- Sephiroth
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Kuja (FF9)- Jenna
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)- No thank you
Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Piastol (SoA)- Zophar

Heavy:

Elc (AtLC) vs Dario (CC)- Elc
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Ted (S4)- Ted, sure
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)- Silence gets it for me here. General thumbs up at least Mithril Shield allowance though. I guess Claude also loves it if you allow Reflective Armor yes
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG)- Billy. I read somewhere that the lack of Holy resistant enemies may have been bad coding (not sure where though. Of course, I don't think anything is affected by Dark in either direction), but it's irrelevant.

Middle:

Rutee Katrina (ToD) vs Nash Latjke (S3)- Rutee
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Antenora (WA2)- Antenora
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1)- Max
Lin (BoF5) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)- Lin. Unless the later forms can actually equip against Death in game

Light:

Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Garet (GS)- Block Garet's one big status
FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Tengaar (Suikos) vs Lieza (AtLC)- Sure WTF, I'll bite. Tend to forget Tengaar instead fast. ATL 2 ELEMENTAL RESISTS WIN A MATCH.
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1)- Instant Champ

[SnowFire]

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)
Close match.  I have Sephy durability respect but poor Seph damage respect.  Ghaleon...  quite possibly 3HKOs here (2x spells should do around ~..85 PCHP, but I'm willing to see Sephy as like 1.8 PCHP or so), which becomes an awful 5HKO post-Wall.  Unfortunately Ghaleon is a super-tank and Sephy has got like a 6HKO himself.  There's some Chaos Shield hype to be had here, but eh, sure, willing to give it to Seph on speed issues.
Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Piastol (SoA)

Heavy:

Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG) - Yeah this whole vaguely undocumented Wel-slaying thing Billy's bullets have is shaky enough that I don't want to hype the usually irrelevant elemental resist here.


Light:

FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)

[Cmdr_King]

Godlike:

Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG): Um guys? Even if only Billy's triangle attacks obtain the ice element that's enough here. Billy can half fire and haste himself so he can alternate three attacks with one shot of healing, he'll win this even if his damage is Cristo-level.

He still has to win in less than 15 attacks under this view; just spamming Triangle (which is what he has to do there), he uses 7 bullets of his 100 each turn.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Oh right I forgot you could run out of bullets in XG.

That said it shouldn't take nearly 15 turns. He does about a quarter the game's kill point with Tx7 against Decus' ice weakness, so unless you see Decus' HP as >3.75PC...

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Also, square bullets have infinite ammo. AND LOOK THEY JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE ASSIGNABLE ELEMENTS

[superaielman]

Lin (BoF5) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)- Lin. Unless the later forms can actually equip against Death in game

As Elfboy noted, Guests are immune to a handful of fatal statuses.

Also, is there any reason Leech seed would not work on Antenora? She's slow enough that Venusaur can outlast her with that.

[Dark Holy Elf]

You're overrating Leech Seed I think? It's mHP/16 or mHP/8 damage depending on version (which I'd scale back against bosses the way I do Absorb... given your views should possibly see it immuned entirely as WA2 bosses do null gravity). Antenora has four 10% status chances coming per turn although misery is useless here and silence arguably is too, but regardless status attached to her best damage makes it that much harder to just stall against her.

[superaielman]

I don't remember Leech seed, which is why I asked.

Mm. My kneejerk was that Venusaur could manage a 2HKO with Frenzy plant (With one shot after overgrowth) and take advantage of the speed difference. I could be underrating Antenora's durability or speed, granted.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Overgrowth Frenzy Plant is around 1.17x PC HP. That is pretty well below one-shotting Antenora to me, who should be somewhere in the vicinity of 1.5-6x PC HP. Frenzy Plant itself could scrape a 2HKO before accuracy issues (two of them naked work around 1.55x PC HP), but not really inclined to respect the killing power of that move in light of its recharge turn and below average accuracy all that much. And the fundamental problem is mostly Venusaur -itself- is dead average speed, so it won't exploit Antenora's speed that well (she's around 70% speed? Trading turns with Brad says roughly that area). A 4-3 is likely happening, but when even an effective 4HKO is kinda sketchy... Antenora even has some damage control to avoid Overgrowth and Venusaur also doesn't like the status risks much.

[Lance]

Godlike
Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)
Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Piastol (SoA)

Heavy
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Ted (S4)
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG)

Middle
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Antenora (WA2)
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1)
Lin (BoF5) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)

Light
FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1)

[Dunefar]

Godlike:

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6)
Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Piastol (SoA)

Heavy:

Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Ted (S4)
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)

Middle:

Rutee Katrina (ToD) vs Nash Latjke (S3)

Light:

FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Tengaar (Suikos) vs Lieza (AtLC)
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1)

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Tengaar (Suikos) vs Lieza (AtLC)- Sure WTF, I'll bite. Tend to forget Tengaar instead fast. ATL 2 ELEMENTAL RESISTS WIN A MATCH.

In fairness, Tengaar is fast when she casts Revenge Earth/Canopy Defense!

[Pyro]

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars): Durability edge trumps speed edge.
Jenna Angel (DDS) vs Kuja (FF9): Ker.Fucking.Splat.
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6): Way too much of a durability edge.
Zophar (Lunar:EBC) vs Piastol (SoA): Isn't OHKO'd. Does OHKO.

Heavy:

Elc (AtLC) vs Dario (CC): Even interps generous to Dario lose.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Ted (S4): My god Judgement is powerful. Does Ted have more turn 1 damage than any other PC in the DL?
Masaji Kato (SH2) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
Decus (SO2) vs Billy Lee Black (XG)

Middle:

Rutee Katrina (ToD) vs Nash Latjke (S3)
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Antenora (WA2)
Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1)
Lin (BoF5) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)

Light:

Ricardo Gomez (SH3) vs Garet (GS)
FuSoYa (FF4) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Tengaar (Suikos) vs Lieza (AtLC)
Rikku (FFX) vs Hellion (S1): Rikku for champ?

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Ted (S4): My god Judgement is powerful. Does Ted have more turn 1 damage than any other PC in the DL?

Ryu2 and his 6x average damage beg to differ, but damned if Ted doesn't give him a run for his money.

[074]

Godlike:

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars) - Can't officially vote on this, but Sephy'd run into his hardcoded pattern here hard from my interps.
Myria (BoFs) vs Kefka Palazzo (FF6) - Yeah, Kefka doesn't like running into a wall like Myria.

Middle:

Yulie Ahtreide (WA4) vs Max (SF1) - yeah, I'm going to buy Max eventually wrecking her via crits.
Lin (BoF5) vs Delita Hyral (FFT)

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike:

Sephiroth (FF7) vs Ghaleon (Lunars) - Can't officially vote on this, but Sephy'd run into his hardcoded pattern here hard from my interps.

And Ghaleon wouldn't? His AI pattern is far stricter than Seph's.

[Dark Holy Elf]

It might depend on if you hold them to moves which are useless against the opponent. (Ghaleon's Rock & Roll and Fate Storm are useless, as are physicals while Ghaleon flies. Seph's Heartless Angel and Super Nova are useless, as is Pale Horse outside some mediocre damage.)

In general if I took Nama's views (which I don't; we don't have nearly enough documentation of enemy AI to make that view tenable to my voting style), I would not force the use of any moves which can't be resisted in-game (so everything on that list except Pale Horse, which can face Ribbons). I'm not really sure where that would leave things, but it's probably a pretty good fight. Seph benefits a lot from his AI always using Wall right away, but otherwise his low-damage moves (Deen and Pale Horse) are lower than Ghaleon's (Nitro Dagger/Inferno, Tornado/Worm Crush). Of course Ghaleon loses a bit from not being able to use his optimum-damage combo (Hell Wave + physical) ever. I dunno!