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« on: January 18, 2012, 01:20:41 AM »
So I've been using my shiny new phone to catch up on/reread comics on the bus. I'm completely up to speed on Hellboy, which somehow had the main-story books get even better since I last read them a few years ago. I've read The Goon, which is utterly fantastic for including both some really well done serious moments and this:


And now I'm rereading Suicide Squad. Just finished the New Gods three-parter. It's a fantastic series, that hasn't changed. But I'd totally forgotten that John Ostrander interrupted an intense fight with the forces of evil incarnate to drop a Nick Danger: Third Eye reference. Well played, sir. Well played.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 08:42:05 PM »
And now I'm rereading Suicide Squad. Just finished the New Gods three-parter. It's a fantastic series, that hasn't changed. But I'd totally forgotten that John Ostrander interrupted an intense fight with the forces of evil incarnate to drop a Nick Danger: Third Eye reference. Well played, sir. Well played.

Good man, Shale. Can't say I caught that reference though, not knowing what Nick Danger is. (Totally applaud kicking off the Janus Directive finale rumble with a Talking Heads quote, though.)

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 07:59:18 PM »
A trip to the local comic store yielded two things:

A Magic mentor for re-learning on Fridays

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TRANSMETROPOLITAN VOL 0.

WHAT.


WHAT!! Will read this and then regurgitate my transmet experiences. 

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 11:28:02 PM »
Speaking of comics, Matt Fraction's Iron Man run has been pretty awesome and I'm sad it's coming to a close.  He had Madame Masque quote the Mountain Goats to Tony.

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 10:43:31 AM »
Hawkeye #3 came out two days ago. I thought issue 2 was amazing at telling a story by taking advantage of the medium rather than just coincidentally being a comic, but this one is even better. It is possibly the best single issue of a book I've ever read. I can't stress enough that you should read it, especially since if my math is correct and this trend of getting better every issue even though I don't even think its possible continues, by issue 16 all other forms of media will be irrelevant and everything will be Hawkeye.

If you had told me this time three years ago that three of the best book Marvel puts out would be solo titles for Gambit, Hawkeye and Venom I'd have called you a liar but it's true.

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2012, 04:10:30 AM »
Matt Fraction and David Aja working together is basically unfair to anyone else who has ever made comics.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2012, 11:21:02 PM »
Fraction told me on Twitter that the only show the Avengers can all agree to watch is something called "Dog Cops" btw.

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2012, 11:06:53 PM »
Jealous of Rob and people who can get Hawkeye.

You should be, because Hawkguy #6, "Six Days in the Life of Clint Barton," aka "DVRmageddon" is a fucking masterpiece, just like every issue.

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2013, 01:21:45 AM »
I've talked at length about some of the comics I'm currently reading and how awesome they are, Hawkguy in particular (also Gambit).  Also anything by Hickman, who just started on Avengers, is going to be a must-read, but I digress, because I'm here to talk about Thor: God of Thunder.  Jason Aaron writes it, and he's currently known for the generally-pretty-offbeat Wolverine and the X-Men.  Thor's not really like that, though.  It's about Thor at three different points in time and an unaging murderer who is killing every god he can find.  The perspective jumps between timeframes at various points (usually visiting each time more than once in a story) but it's never really confusing and the time jumps get used to good effect.  It reminds me of the finale of ST:TNG in how the jumps are used, except that the Thors aren't all the same consciousness.  But there's way more Vikings.

Also it looks like this.


So read it.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2013, 12:39:22 PM »
I could be reading Cetaganda or playing Persona 4.

Y the Last Man - a friend at work leant me volume 1 of this in hardcover so I felt I should read it and give it back.  It is good but frustrating in ways I associate with Brian K Vaughn.  It is all mystery mystery mystery and then suddenly someone acts kind of stupid and no resolution to long term problems but the monster of the week is beaten.

It is a damn fine comic though.
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2013, 03:56:47 AM »
So a while ago I read Final Crisis, and it didn't make a damn bit of sense. This weekend I read it with the tie-ins, and lo and behold, it makes....well...sort of sense? It flows a lot better, anyway. Superman Beyond (iiiiiin threeeeeeeeeee deeeeeeeeee) should have just been two issues of the main series - nothing in the last issue is remotely comprehensible without it. And the ending isn't nearly as bizarre. Kind of hilarious that the Legion of Super-Heroes one, which takes place before the sixth issue of seven, didn't finish until the next big crossover was in full swing. Ah, DC. Even when you succeed, you're still mockable.

Anyway, the actual series is good, but the follow-ups are surprisingly worth reading. "Escape" is The Prisoner starring Suicide Squad alumni and tons of Kirby references, and if that doesn't sound like a good time to you I can only feel pity. "Run" is just over-the-top ridiculous and very frequently funny in its abuse of the "protagonist." Also it has the Condiment King in a major supporting role.

Also read the Mistborn sequel, Alloy of Law. Solid little Western fantasy-action thing, kinda bogged down by the pro forma romance subplot but overall very enjoyable. Not sure it needed the sequel hook, but I'll probably read the next one anyway, whenever it comes out.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 01:44:15 AM »
Might as well post here for the first time like ever?  I could be lying about that!


Kingdom Come:  Found the trade of this and read it.  I...wouldn't say it's OMG BEST THING EVER!!! like some hype, but it's definitely a good read nonetheless and don't regret picking it up.  Maybe part of my response to it was the whole hype around it making me expect more than it was. 

On a more neutral level, it wasn't what I was expecting and took directions I didn't really expect when I heard the premise.  Big one being Magog, where reading brief summaries made it sound like he was the primary adversary to Superman, when all he really was is the catalyst character of sorts.  I do like how they made it clear he was NOT a bad person, and meant well, just took things a little too far, contrast to what you'd expect of the "Killing Heroes are cool!" kind of guys.


Megaman Comic volume 1-3:  Fun fluff reads.  Ian Flynn really shows off his colors as a major fan of Megaman, to the point of actually incorporating memes into the comics, be it the comic itself (Iceman having a crush on Roll)or just the character bios (a quip about "Airman cannot be defeated.")   It also did what I hoped they'd do in actually keeping the MM1 Robot Masters (Oil Man and Time Man included) as regular good guys after the early arcs, just to beef up the cast, rather than making all Robot Masters exist for their own game only to stop mattering once that arc is done.

The other Robot masters (namely MM2) are fun when you read them, but forgettable once you're past them.  I guess that's to be expected for one scene wonders.

It's clearly intended for younger audience, but really, it's fun to read if you're a fan of Megaman at all, as it's written out of pure love for the series, and is clearly part of the fan-base (...the non-whiny part anyway)


Superior Spider-man:  I decided to take a chance and keep up with this because...well, honestly, I don't know, bought it at a whim at mini-meet, been keeping up since!

The premise is kind of working, but the end of the 3rd issue leaves me with a bit of unease in the direction it's going to take.
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Re: Re: Books
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 07:50:14 PM »
Superior Spider-man:  I decided to take a chance and keep up with this because...well, honestly, I don't know, bought it at a whim at mini-meet, been keeping up since!

The premise is kind of working, but the end of the 3rd issue leaves me with a bit of unease in the direction it's going to take.

The sad thing about Superior Spider-Man is that he's a much better character every time he's written by someone who's not Dan Slott.

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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2013, 01:45:12 PM »
I read Y: The Last Man from beginning to end, then I started reading it from beginning to end again the next day. That is one hell of a comic book. It probably helped that I was spoiled going in on the fact that the ending doesn't actually tell you what caused the plague that sets everything off, so my attention was focused from the start on the characters and adventure-story elements, which are both stellar. Ending still wasn't great, but it worked.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2013, 01:02:04 AM »
The Dark Knight Returns: I had a lot of free time between classes where I was subbing, so went to library and noticed this in their Graphic Novels section, and figured it'd be worth reading since, well, I could potentially finish it in that time (and if I didn't, take a bit of time after school to do so.)

It was...ok, I guess.  It wasn't bad, and some good moments, but I feel it wasn't as amazing it has been hyped.  I guess the thing that bugged me was the over-usage of newscast style exposition.  It worked in the first 1/4th to help build the setting, in a manner that kept things "in-world" without resorting to heavy narratives, but later on I found myself just skimming them and not really missing anything because it's just driving the point far deeper than needed.  Reminds me of the Pirate Stuff in Watchmen, only less symbolically annoying but far more omnipresent.

I suppose it was a big deal when it first came out, and it wasn't bad just...wasn't as great as had been hyped.  Watchmen, it's contemporary "Dark Gritty Comic that changed the face of comics for the next 10 years!" was significantly better in that regard.
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2013, 01:31:58 AM »
Dark Knight Returns was a big deal because that is what made Batman dark and gritty pretty much.
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2013, 02:07:40 AM »
It and Watchmen had a huge hand in ushering in the grim-n-gritty era, and Watchmen is better at standing apart from its sea of imitators. DKR has been picked apart and emulated so thoroughly - and by good creators, to boot - that about the only thing you can find in there that hasn't been done well (though not as well, for my money) elsewhere in the last 25 years is the constant talking heads.
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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2013, 02:37:44 AM »
It's also a Batman story where Batman himself is the emotional crux. There's only like four Batman stories where that's happened.

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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2013, 05:40:27 AM »
I'm with Meeple.  I've read maybe 6 comic books in my lifetime, but it includes The Dark Knight Returns, and...  while I can intellectually see why it was an *influential* book, that doesn't mean it's actually good.  The good: the bravery to actually have Batman age (as this was super-rare at the time, and apparently is still rare), and the fact that Batman has his own cult which is something that more actual superheroes would likely have (and the fascist nature of the vigilanteism is treated at least as appropriately scary here).  Okay, I guess the first Two-Face plot was okay if against my leanings - someone who's been a villain for that long is, well, a villain.  (This is why the idea of Two-Face only works for a short period of time, like a movie.  Once you've been a villain for too long all the nice things start just becoming a cover.)  Look at silly liberal Bruce Wayne believing that criminals might be reformed, they have to be fought, etc.  All three of these plots can ring true - yes it's a comic book, but it's a comic book treating things at least SOMEWHAT seriously rather than doing the old slapdash style "stuff happens whee then everything gets better and is reset."  People age, actions have consequences, "successful" vigilantes will spawn imitators and admirers.

As for the bad: everything else, which rang false, but even worse was in a story that was acting all serious and thus surrendering the usual excuse of "it's mindless entertainment relax."  I'm sort of okay with Miller pushing his, well, fascist story about how one man with courage cuts through all the flabby bureaucracy of an inept government that only makes the problem worse by going out and directly doing what the people need, which is to fight the Bad People who are the cause of all of our problems.  Not my politics, but you can still write a good story from that perspective (I must admit I like some of Yukio Mishima's novels, and he's totes a bring-back-the-Japanese-Empire guy.)  However, he could have done it in a way that didn't have beyond ridiculous strawmen.  An evil gang known as the Mutants are just wrecking shit and killing people, because that's totally what those crazed urban types do, and one of the few female characters, the chief of police, knows that the real threat is that Batman who's daring to enforce justice on his own.  Batman single-handedly beats them up and arrests their leader, but the mayor, some wimpy liberal, decides that he has to uh "negotiate" with the Mutant leader.  Who is in jail and facing 9999 years in prison.  And negotiate means "enter the cell unarmed with no guards."  And then the mutant leader tears the mayor to shred despite all the witnesses, and gets away with this, rather than getting summarily executed.  Then liberal psychologist types come on TV to tell us all that this is all Batman's fault and these psychotic criminals who murder for fun are just misunderstood.  This is like some kind of grotesque parody of the worst kind of flaky 1970s liberal, in a totally incongruous context, combined with some kind of fever dream of how the 1970s crime-ridden inner city works.  Ayn Rand would be positively jealous of this level of strawmening.  And then suddenly we see that Superman, the person who "follows the rules," is just a tool of the man, and does the weak government's bidding, because they FEAR a man of bravery willing to do what they can't, and Batman could totally beat up Superman and does so to let him know he's the better man (because better in combat = better in life), but then spares him 'cuz the Mighty Batman is merciful as well as magnificent.  Yeah whatever dude.

And oh yes.  The art sucked.  Seriously, comics should be fun to read.  The art I recall being grey, drab, and uninspiring.  They should have at least gone for something like Sin City (Note: I only saw the movie) which shows that you can be gritty and hard-boiled but still be stylish.

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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2013, 08:06:09 PM »
Since I like to talk about comics in this thread sometimes, let's talk about my comic of the week:  Deadpool #7.

Deadpool #7 is a stand-alone story (which is part of why I picked it up) set during the "Demon in a Bottle" storyline from Iron Man (which is the other reason).  Since the story is set in the late Bronze Age of Comics, Deadpool looks lke this.
http://i.imgur.com/td5CwB7.jpg

Long story short, Deadpool is hired by a demon because the demon heard Tony was about to get his act together and he needs someone to keep him drinking.  There's a twist at the end.  Anyway, it's great fun.  There's a Hostess Fruit Pies-style page at one point.  We get to see what Tony's checkbook looks like (do you know how much Jarvis' year-end bonus is?  What about the Stark budget for "Drinky boo-boose"?)  And we get to see the most intoxicating Avengers adventure yet.

It's three bucks so you should read it.

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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2013, 10:03:59 PM »
I have to question why I haven't started getting into Deadpool's series myself.  That one page you linked to only further proves that I am foolish for not doing so.
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2013, 11:03:42 PM »
And that's after he fights Zombie FDR. Yes, the current series is what we all hoped Shadow Hearts 3 would be, in Deadpool form!
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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2013, 01:17:44 AM »
I have to question why I haven't started getting into Deadpool's series myself.  That one page you linked to only further proves that I am foolish for not doing so.

We also find out that Stark Industries' preference for digital media rather than physical is a result of Deadpool talking to him about Laserdiscs (while Tony is clad only in one glove and the crotch+ass piece from the Iron Man).

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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2013, 01:23:05 AM »
Sounds like an average day for Deadpool.
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