Season 7, Week 3-PS4 robots versus Instant Death.

[superaielman]

Loki>Zeon
Ryu>Rose
Genevieve>Odd Eye
Melfice 3, Altima 2


Demi>Malik
Lin>Vahn
Maxim 5, Ramladu 3
Arngrim>Peter

Marivel>Garr
Rena>Lucca
Norris 5, Nina 4 (Bot tiebreak)
Balk>Wiegraf

Melville>Janus
Melody>Raja
Vinsfeld>Raja
Grey>Tia

Godlike:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT)
Riou (S2) vs Miguel (CC)
Loki (VP1) vs Ryu (BoF1)
Genevieve (VP1) vs Melfice (G2)

Heavy:

Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Cloud Strife (FF7)
Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4)
Demi (PS4) vs Lin (BoF5)
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1)

Middle:

Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Sara (BoF1)
Vaynard (Brig) vs Cristo (DQ4)
Marivel Armitage (WA2) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Norris (CC) vs Balk Fenzol (FFT)

Light:

Katt (BoF2) vs Nina (BoF2)
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs)
Melville (S3) vs Melody Vilente (WA3)
Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Grey (VP1)

[superaielman]

Godlike:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT)- Cid crushes Godlike, part two.
Riou (S2) vs Miguel (CC)- Just survives Forgiver Sign, and has more offense than Asgard to dispatch Riou with after.
Loki (VP1) vs Ryu (BoF1)- This deserves no comment.
Genevieve (VP1) vs Melfice (G2)- Go first, 2HKO.

Heavy:

Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Cloud Strife (FF7)[/b]- Horrible overkill ahoy!
Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4)-  I'm not inclined to give Stop Bracelet a ton of DL respect (1 range 0 height=has issues in game). It's enough of a tiebreak for me to support WRen.
Demi (PS4) vs Lin (BoF5)- I'd like to talk myself into a Demi vote, but Lin's ID carries the day.
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1)- Way to fail, Ramladu.

Middle:

Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Sara (BoF1)- The slapfight next week will be Onixtastic...
Vaynard (Brig) vs Cristo (DQ4)-...As both Sara and Cristo handle business well enough this week.
Marivel Armitage (WA2) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)- Surely.
Norris (CC) vs Balk Fenzol (FFT)- Mantle and counters likely bone Norris.

Light:

Katt (BoF2) vs Nina (BoF2)- ID.
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs)- Banon.
Melville (S3) vs Melody Vilente (WA3)- Barrier should keep Melody alive along enough.
Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Grey (VP1)- Surely.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - Ensign Kenni is blasting off again.
Riou (S2) vs Miguel (CC) - Miguel absorbs Holy if I recall correctly. >_>
Loki (VP1) vs Ryu (BoF1) - Incredible.
Genevieve (VP1) vs Melfice (G2) - Melfice 2HKOs, sure, but Genevieve OHKOs.

Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Cloud Strife (FF7) - munch munch
Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4) - No.
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1) - Wow.

Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Sara (BoF1) - For the love of.
Vaynard (Brig) vs Cristo (DQ4) - Jeez.
Marivel Armitage (WA2) vs Rena Lanford (SO2) - Sleep.
Norris (CC) vs Balk Fenzol (FFT) - OUT

Katt (BoF2) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF2) - Death. Goooooooooodbye.
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs) - banon
Melville (S3) vs Melody Vilente (WA3) - Ew.
Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Grey (VP1) - Vinsfeld against actual damage. That's rich.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Godlike:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT): Claude has a weapon which immunes MP draining and a weapon which I'd see as unbreakable! ... but they aren't the same weapon. uh even if they were Cid has a faster 2HKO, Claude's not that durable.
Riou (S2) vs Miguel (CC): Miguel cutting Forgiver Sign by even just 25% is a huge, huge dent in Riou's game considering he's moderately durable. Doesn't help that anything Riou does besides basic physicals powers up Miguel in my eyes.
Loki (VP1) vs Ryu (BoF1): That says BoF1? Oh dear.
Genevieve (VP1) vs Melfice (G2): May OHKO, may survive to see a second turn. In particular I probably subscribe to the latter.

Heavy:

Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4): Hmm... Stop Breath? Flavour-wise I don't think I buy that working on androids.
Demi (PS4) vs Lin (BoF5): Yeah, reverse situation as Super for me. I have some Stop Bracelet respect (helps that assassin fights have pretty even terrain on average), but nooo respect for Lin's ID whatsoever, BoF5 had loads of ID immunity and there's nothing in the flavour of Lin's ID that suggests it would work on robots. I should come up with a concrete way to determine if other games' ID hit the PS4 bots but this is difficult, there isn't much that's equivalent. So for now, "works on an extraordinarily high number of things" feels like a decent tiebreak.
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1): Faster, chip then 2HKO.

Middle:

Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Sara (BoF1): As super said.
Vaynard (Brig) vs Cristo (DQ4): Epic stallfest next week.
Marivel Armitage (WA2) vs Rena Lanford (SO2): Sleep and then SOMETHING. Surely.
Norris (CC) vs Balk Fenzol (FFT): Uh. Norris won? That... confuses me. Oh well. Not sure what I think about this mat- oh wait Norris triggers COUNTERS what the hell, not used to Balk's counters mattering. Don't think I see Norris OHKOing, not with the Feather Mantle to mess with things, and if anyone deserves support credit in the history of anything ever, it's Balk.

Light:

Katt (BoF2) vs Nina (BoF2): Katt's damage isn't good enough for the OHKO. Her MDef is bad enough to make Death 100% though!
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs): Confuse against someone who can't block it.
Melville (S3) vs Melody Vilente (WA3): Melville blocks poison but he 5HKOs here at best, and has bad mdur.
Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Grey (VP1): I think so at least? 4HKOs first? Yeah.

[Pyro]

Godlike:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT)
Riou (S2) vs Miguel (CC)
Loki (VP1) vs Ryu (BoF1)
Genevieve (VP1) vs Melfice (G2)

Heavy:

Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Cloud Strife (FF7)
Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4): Not Physical Destroying kind of ID.
Demi (PS4) vs Lin (BoF5): Lin's was a Shattering kind of ID?
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1): 50 Starting IP makes this fairly easy I think.

Middle:

Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Sara (BoF1): Om nom nom.
Vaynard (Brig) vs Cristo (DQ4): Tanking happens.
Marivel Armitage (WA2) vs Rena Lanford (SO2): Uh sure.
Norris (CC) vs Balk Fenzol (FFT)

Light:

Katt (BoF2) vs Nina (BoF2): Isn't OHKOd... I think.
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs): Boosting and such.
Melville (S3) vs Melody Vilente (WA3)
Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Grey (VP1)

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT)
Riou (S2) vs Miguel (CC)
Loki (VP1) vs Ryu (BoF1)
Genevieve (VP1) vs Melfice (G2)- Yeah, probably doesn't even 2HKO to her, doesn't really matter.

Heavy:

Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Cloud Strife (FF7)
Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4)
Demi (PS4) vs Lin (BoF5)- Physical based ID
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1)

Middle:

Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Sara (BoF1)
Vaynard (Brig) vs Cristo (DQ4)
Marivel Armitage (WA2) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Norris (CC) vs Balk Fenzol (FFT)

Light:

Katt (BoF2) vs Nina (BoF2)
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs)
Melville (S3) vs Melody Vilente (WA3)
Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Grey (VP1)

[074]

Heavy:

Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4) - PS4 robots vs. ID.
Demi (PS4) vs Lin (BoF5) - PS4 robots vs. ID.
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1) --not sure on how this goes, I've only got VP2 Arngrim and i don't remember Lufia 2 at all.

Middle:

Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Sara (BoF1) --yeah.  Izlude hits for a low 2HKO against average.  By my stat topic observations Sara has roughly 4 PCHP.  Izlude is not lasting eight turns.

Light:

Katt (BoF2) vs Nina (BoF2) - :death:
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs) - :banon:
Melville (S3) vs Melody Vilente (WA3) - I don't remember Melville well.  Probably because I didn't use him.  Because he was one of the fifty or so characters in S3 that sucked horribly.

[Dark Holy Elf]

"Physical ID" is so not good enough to hit PS4 mechs (and if it were, then Stop Bracelet would work as well), there are several examples of "physical ID" which fail against them, most obviously Alys' Death and Rika's Elim, as well as the enemy skill Cyanic Bomb. There are exactly five PS4 ID attacks which hit mechs:

Brose - magic
Spark - physical skill
Crash - physical skill
Negatis - magical skill
Explode - magical skill

In other words, there is no correlation at all between physical/magical ID and whether it hits PS4 mechs.

Anyway, I've figured out, for myself at least, how to deal with this. Let's look at the five mech-killing ID attacks. Three of them (Explode, Negatis, and Crash) work on damn near everything in the game... literally the only things which immune (or even resist it!) are bosses and two weird ghost enemies. The other two specifically target mechs. As far as I'm concerned, to ID a mech you either need to use an attack which works on almost everything in the game (Tir's spells would qualify... I suppose FE assassin ID would too), or use an ID attack which specifically targets mechs.

Anyway, according to the BoF5 stat topic, Lin's ID is... well, to give you an idea, Meeple didn't even test it! Meeple notes with regard to a different ID move that it is "guessing 50% Success Rate, its hard to find enemies NOT immune". Frankly I think that says it all here.

Lin deserves no respect gutchecks for her ID ever.

[Random Consonant]

Godlike:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - easy
Riou (S2) vs Miguel (CC)
Genevieve (VP1) vs Melfice (G2) - I doubt Melfice even 2HKOs.

Heavy:

Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4)
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1) - not enough chipsmash here to me. edit: or I could misrecall numbers and there actually is, go figure

Middle:

Vaynard (Brig) vs Cristo (DQ4)
Marivel Armitage (WA2) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Norris (CC) vs Balk Fenzol (FFT)

Light:

Katt (BoF2) vs Nina (BoF2) - Death
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs) - Banon
Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Grey (VP1) - Actual damage.

[Lance]

Godlike
Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT)
Riou (S2) vs Miguel (CC)
Loki (VP1) vs Ryu (BoF1)
Genevieve (VP1) vs Melfice (G2)

Heavy
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Cloud Strife (FF7)
Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4)
Demi (PS4) vs Lin (BoF5)
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1)

Middle
Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Sara (BoF1)
Marivel Armitage (WA2) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Norris (CC) vs Balk Fenzol (FFT)

Light
Katt (BoF2) vs Nina (BoF2)
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs)
Melville (S3) vs Melody Vilente (WA3)
Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Grey (VP1)

[Nephrite]

Godlike:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT)
Riou (S2) vs Miguel (CC)
Loki (VP1) vs Ryu (BoF1) - See below.
Genevieve (VP1) vs Melfice (G2) Honestly, I don't really see VP1 damage as that high these days since the game more or less demands you use Auto Item and Guts.

Heavy:

Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Cloud Strife (FF7)
Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4)
Demi (PS4) vs Lin (BoF5)
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1) EDIT: Maxim was apparently less tanky than I remember him.

Middle:

Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Sara (BoF1)
Vaynard (Brig) vs Cristo (DQ4) - Hey, I remember this match. It's the one Super recruited me to the DL to vote on.
Marivel Armitage (WA2) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Norris (CC) vs Balk Fenzol (FFT)

Light:

Katt (BoF2) vs Nina (BoF2) - Boy, let me tell you how happy I am to see ID spamming again...
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs)
Melville (S3) vs Melody Vilente (WA3)
Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Grey (VP1) - Is not Vins

[VySaika]

Godlike:

Claude Kenni (SO2) vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - One sided.
Riou (S2) vs Miguel (CC) - One sided mk2.
Loki (VP1) vs Ryu (BoF1) - One sided mk3.
Genevieve (VP1) vs Melfice (G2) - She sees a second turn. And that's that.

Heavy:

Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Cloud Strife (FF7) - Cleanup on aisle 7.
Lede (FFT) vs Wren (PS4) - More inclined to respect PS4 mech immunities/defenses, honestly.
Demi (PS4) vs Lin (BoF5) - See above.
Maxim (Lufia 2) vs Arngrim (VP1) - Hmm. Certainly won't let him chip AND store energy. But....I don't think it's needed, he's got enough damage.

Middle:

Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Sara (BoF1) - She's just too damn bulky.
Vaynard (Brig) vs Cristo (DQ4)
Marivel Armitage (WA2) vs Rena Lanford (SO2)
Norris (CC) vs Balk Fenzol (FFT) - Sure, Balk respect checks in.

Light:

Katt (BoF2) vs Nina (BoF2) - Gets a turn, done.
Banon (FF6) vs MOMO (XSs) - :banon:
Melville (S3) vs Melody Vilente (WA3) - Uh....yeah, he loses this slapfight. 
Vinsfeld Rhadamanthus (WA2) vs Grey (VP1) - :vinsfeld:

[superaielman]

I'm not seeing the logic of Maxim>Arngrim myself.  Assuming you allow energy storage, Arngrim should be able to handle things easily enough.  Even assuming half IP, he won't trigger one of Maxim's defensive IPs. The lowest of those is 78% IP.  Maxim needs to take a little over half his life to get 28% IP, which Arngrim won't do with a full combo. Maxim's best bet to win in a turn is a Holy Energy. That only requires 16% IP , so Arngrim will trigger that. It's also a really weak OHKO, which won't cut it against Arngrim's excellent base HP. Spells are also irrelevant, thanks to Final Blast.

[Dark Holy Elf]

I will also note that even if you don't allow energy storing, Arngrim still has this, I think? Maxim has 104.6% average physical durability. Arngrim can hold a hit back on his basic string, so he only does 2 hits on the first turn then 3 on the second. The total damage, compared to the VP no-energy, bow-Lenneth kill point, is 104.8%, which is just enough, and should avoid Miracle Care.

If you ban energy storing, allow 50% starting IP, and use the GR-Lenneth kill point, though, Maxim will win, because Arngrim now (barely) misses the 2HKO against Maxim in the first place (he does 103.5%).

[Pyro]

Honestly I am starting to think PWSs happen turn 1 and then are dictated by gem storage (in a three turn average?)


Also wondrring if weapons change if you take (2nd best available) instead of storebought...

[Dark Holy Elf]

If you're going to consider PWSes, then I think it's worth rewarding energy buildup in some fashion. Not a fan of Llewelyn PWSing turn 1 with his +5 1-attack setup, for sure. (I could see a case for multiplying all energy gain by 4 though?)

Second best weapon? I suppose that depends what you consider. I would definitely not be cool with letting the entire cast use Gram, for instance, not only is it un-unique as hell but it's FAQ-bait. And then there's the question of HM vs. NM... HM would have the #2 bow be the Foul Slayer, while on NM it'd be the same as storeboughts. Otherwise I think you would take the existing stat topic weapons, but upgrade light swords and samurai to Valkyrie-Favour, mages to Ether Scepter, and... maybe archers depending on the above.

edit: Expanding on the mage thing, I should note that the issue with Ether Scepters is that they break when used for great magic, and they are finitely available. So under this view I would probably allow Ether Scepters but only if they are never used for a PWS. Looks like there are two Unicorn Horns regardless of difficulty mode though (requires quite a bit of hoop-jumping on NM but eh), so those would work as a PWS-enabling backup and are still marginally stronger than the best storebought at base.