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Pepperoni: 22-18
Crono: 23-57 28.75%
Samurai: 20-50 28.5%

Wain- The line of Maxim has fallen far.  Healer with good limits.
Agate- Trails nod.
Glenn- High grade slugger on paper, is from CC in practice. Can he hang here?
Noa- Always a fun borderliner.

Wain  vs Rei (BoF3)
Wain vs Dias
Wain vs Angelo
Wain vs Flik
Wain vs Jude
Wain vs Sabin
Wain vs Meru
Wain vs Alice (SH)
Wain vs Seifer
Wain vs Crono
Wain vs Samurai (FFT)
Wain vs  Pepperoni

Noa  vs Rei
Noa vs Dias
Noa vs Angelo
Noa vs Flik
Noa vs Jude
Noa vs Sabin
Noa vs Meru
Noa vs Alice (SH)
Noa vs Seifer
Noa vs Crono
Noa vs Samurai (FFT)
Noa vs Pepperoni

Glenn  vs Rei
Glenn vs Dias
Glenn vs Angelo
Glenn vs Flik
Glenn vs Jude
Glenn vs Sabin
Glenn vs Meru
Glenn vs Alice (SH)
Glenn vs Seifer
Glenn vs Crono
Glenn vs Samurai (FFT)
Glenn vs Pepperoni

Agate  vs Rei
Agate vs Dias
Agate vs Angelo
Agate vs Flik
Agate vs Jude
Agate vs Sabin
Agate vs Meru
Agate vs Alice (SH)
Agate vs Seifer
Agate vs Crono
Agate vs Samurai (FFT)
Agate vs Pepperoni
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2013, 05:38:16 AM »
Agate, super?  Kinda boring.  Oh well.

Agate vs Dias - Better slugger.
Agate vs Angelo - Angelo would probably kill first in a Petrify status race anyway, and Bounce renders the point moot.
Agate vs Flik - Better, faster slugger.
Agate vs Jude - Trails cast vs. tanks.
Agate vs Sabin - Sabin is faster and probably 2HKOs and I doubt Agate 2HKOs.
Agate vs Meru - I'm not sure if Agate's Final Break counts as Fire, but  it totally doesn't matter.
Agate vs Alice (SH) - Agate spams Earth Guard and runs Alice out of SP.
Agate vs Seifer - PC Seifer probably wins but whatever.
Agate vs Crono - Crono fails to 3HKO, but Agate fails to 2HKO, so it doesn't matter.
Agate vs Samurai (FFT) - The HP difference is that big?  Yikes.  Agate handles Female Sam no problem with magic -> S-Break, but male Sam can tank it, heal, Kiyomori, block Petrify, etc., then win the long game.  Bizen Boat the MP, Blade Grasp the physicals, etc.  Guess I'll give it to Sam.

No true slow duelers here except for maybe Samurai for Agate to pull out his extremely boring Earth Guard spam game that thankfully doesn't work very often in high Middle and above, but wrecks parts of low Middle.

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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2013, 06:32:52 AM »
Noa  vs Rei- Rei didn't have total immunity to status IIRC, so Charm.
Noa vs Dias- Charm.
Noa vs Angelo- Charm.
Noa vs Flik- Rainbow Jewel/Tough Love.
Noa vs Jude- Charm!
Noa vs Sabin- Can immune charm, doubt Noa 2HKOs him.
Noa vs Meru- No charm and probably outsped.
Noa vs Alice (SH)- Charm's out and Alice is not going to get outslugged.
Noa vs Seifer- NE boss. Kneejerk that it's enough.
Noa vs Crono- Go first, immune charm.
Noa vs Samurai (FFT)- Block charm- slam up protect, outlast.

Glenn  vs Rei- ID.
Glenn vs Dias- I see wind defense as legal for Dias. He may well outslug anyway.
Glenn vs Angelo- I don't think Angelo can buff or status his way out of trouble, Glenn has too much offense.
Glenn vs Flik- Goes first offhand.
Glenn vs Jude- Halves wind.
Glenn vs Sabin- A little faster, which is enough. 
Glenn vs Meru- OHKO.
Glenn vs Alice (SH)- Panties, glorious panties!
Glenn vs Seifer- Outslugs.
Glenn vs Crono- Should 3HKO and avoid a 2HKO.
Glenn vs Samurai (FFT)- Wastes 1ap on attacking Samurai and ramming into BG, then smites with the rest of his chain.


Wain  vsRei (BoF3)- Death. Pyro, did lufia 3 not have any status blockers? Weird.
Wain vs Dias- Heal till IP. Wain can even block Stun.
Wain vs Angelo- Status rush.
Wain vs Flik- Heal till limit.
Wain vs Jude- Assault buster is great at busting healers. Don't think Wain's tankiness will save him here.
Wain vs Sabin- Heal till limit.
Wain vs Meru- Resist ice, heal till limit.
Wain vs Alice (SH)- Runs Alice out of SP.
Wain vs Seifer- Heal till limit. Don't knock it if it works.
Wain vs Crono- Heal till limit.
Wain vs Samurai (FFT)- Blade Grasp shuts down Wain's offense entirely. Samurai throws up protect/shell and can afford to take the time to status out Wain with a drawout.

Wain: 7-4
Noa: 5-6
Glenn: 5-6
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2013, 03:08:33 PM »
Noa vs Rei - Tough Love: full immunity to the status or bust.
Noa vs Dias Flac - See above.
Noa vs Angelo - And above.
Noa vs Flik - And above!
Noa vs Jude Maverick - I consider Confuse analogous to Charm and Jude even resists Wind. Bad matchup, even with the stat penalty applied to the statusblocking usage.
Noa vs Sabin Rene Figaro - Sabin immunes Confuse! Too bad Noa just 2HKOs first, Sabin's durability spread is a thing and I'm pretty sure Vortex+her turn one arts nearly 2HKO average too.
Noa vs Meru - Okay, confusion is out, so Meru probably gets to get a Dragoon game going and - EEEEEEEW Noa's Miracle Art OHKOs Meru even before factoring in the durability loss from blocking confuse and she's faster by a slight oh god why. Spirit, Meru puts on a blindfold and lights a cigarette with her turn and good LORD.
Noa vs Alice Eliott (SH) - EDIT: So SH1 -does- immune confuse! I think it's SH2 onwards who don't.
Noa vs Seifer Almasy - Dear -god-.
Noa vs Crono - Crono's mdur is kinda bad and he's not very good at this 2HKOing thing. Noa should be able to scrape by that 2HKO herself - Queen Vortex alone rips off 83% of Crono's health.
Noa vs Samurai (FFT) - EDIT: sure.
Noa vs Pepperoncino - Tough Love.

9-3. Overall strong performance. Perfect accuracy I win status off that speed = not Middle at all, this is a variant on the Alys clause.

CC later.

Glenn vs Rei - By the recharge-factoring averages, Glenn deals 87% PC HP with a turn one chain (1-2-3 => L5). Rei's pdur is 0.8x PC HP. WELP. If you don't take recharge into account, though, Rei wins, no OHKO there.
Glenn vs Dias Flac - EDIT: Wait SO2 equipment nonsense.
Glenn vs Angelo - More inclined to respect Angelo's speed so he gets two shots of ID before Glenn lands the KO. Healing is a bad idea, since Glenn just makes him explode on turn two.
Glenn vs Flik - Ew, Flik hits that 25% weakness, guaranteeing the OHKO.
Glenn vs Jude Maverick - I'm pretty certain Jude's AB string manages to KO Glenn before his killer turn.
Glenn vs Sabin Rene Figaro - OHKOs. I'm as surprised as you are, but Sabin's physical durability is hilarious.
Glenn vs Meru - Overkills.
Glenn vs Alice Eliott (SH) - Panties.
Glenn vs Seifer Almasy - Glenn is pretty good at chipping anyway.
Glenn vs Crono - Crono doesn't 3-2, doesn't avoid a 2HKO and fails to 2HKO himself even after factoring in weakness. FAIL.
Glenn vs Samurai (FFT) - Sure.
Glenn vs Pepperoncino - Actually avoids being 2HKOed, manages that 2HKO himself with weakness-hitting.

5-6. Not too bad, I guess.
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2013, 03:25:09 PM »
Rei is immune to Saga Charm, would that cover Noa's?

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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2013, 03:48:19 PM »
Breath of Fire Rei, Neph. My fault, I should tag that.

E: Minea's ring is so not legal for Noa, Crono 2HKOs her substandard HP with ease.  Alice has access to a confusion blocker. LoD can definitely block tough love. Samurai gets confuse and charm both.
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2013, 04:03:05 PM »
Ohhh. You know, I'm not even sure that changes anything in most of those matches.......

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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2013, 08:02:34 PM »
Agate is kind of interesting (to me at least when you start at 50 CP) because it means that he is the only TitS PC to access his S-Break turn 1 effectively, which is definitely an interesting niche.
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2013, 08:16:36 PM »
Breath of Fire Rei, Neph. My fault, I should tag that.

E: Minea's ring is so not legal for Noa, Crono 2HKOs her substandard HP with ease.

You're still either overrating LoL's tight HP curve (and LoL defensive stat spreads suck anyway) or Crono's damage. Even if you allow Vahn Mei's Pendant and not Minea's Ring (both are illegal to me), Noa's 87% PC HP. Crono deals 41% to average. He's not 2HKOing even with Rainbow Confuse (which deals 43%), and if he twinks for damage, he gives up going first.
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2013, 09:04:29 PM »
Wain vs Rei (BoF3) - Death.
Wain vs Dias - Can heal until getting a fatal IP.
Wain vs Flik - Has the HP to survive a L4.
Wain vs Jude - Exploits Wain's questionable speed like a champ.
Wain vs Sabin
Wain vs Meru - Can resist ice with minimal issue.
Wain vs Alice (SH) - lol.
Wain vs Seifer
Wain vs Crono - Crono against healers.
Wain vs Samurai (FFT) - Yeah I'm not really feeling Blade Grasp > IP hype.  Didn't matter against Dekar because hahaha trying for Holy Energy against Samurai but it certainly matters here.
Wain vs Pepperoni - ID weapon.

Noa vs Rei - Tough Love: full immunity to the status or bust.
Noa vs Dias Flac - See above.
Noa vs Angelo - And above.
Noa vs Flik - And above!
Noa vs Jude Maverick - I consider Confuse analogous to Charm and Jude even resists Wind. Bad matchup, even with the stat penalty applied to the statusblocking usage.
Noa vs Sabin Rene Figaro - Sabin immunes Confuse! Too bad Noa just 2HKOs first, Sabin's durability spread is a thing and I'm pretty sure Vortex+her turn one arts nearly 2HKO average too.
Noa vs Meru - Okay, confusion is out, so Meru probably gets to get a Dragoon game going and - EEEEEEEW Noa's Miracle Art OHKOs Meru even before factoring in the durability loss from blocking confuse and she's faster by a slight oh god why. Spirit, Meru puts on a blindfold and lights a cigarette with her turn and good LORD.
Noa vs Alice Eliott (SH) - EDIT: So SH1 -does- immune confuse! I think it's SH2 onwards who don't.
Noa vs Seifer Almasy - Dear -god-.
Noa vs Crono - Crono's mdur is kinda bad and he's not very good at this 2HKOing thing. Noa should be able to scrape by that 2HKO herself - Queen Vortex alone rips off 83% of Crono's health.
Noa vs Samurai (FFT) - EDIT: sure.
Noa vs Pepperoncino - Tough Love.

Glenn vs Rei
Glenn vs Dias
Glenn vs Flik
Glenn vs Jude - Probably.
Glenn vs Sabin - Sure.
Glenn vs Meru - Probably
Glenn vs Alice (SH) - I guess.
Glenn vs Seifer - probably.
Glenn vs Crono - Probably.
Glenn vs Samurai (FFT)
Glenn vs Pepperoni - 2HKO

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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2013, 05:03:02 AM »
Wain  vs Rei (BoF3)
Wain vs Dias
Wain vs Angelo
Wain vs Flik
Wain vs Jude- Wain is slow, but I think with my WA 4 averages and Wain's HP and Def (which is probably at least canceling out the speed since Super said it was pretty potent), Jude has issues putting him away.
Wain vs Sabin
Wain vs Meru
Wain vs Alice (SH)
Wain vs Seifer
Wain vs Crono
Wain vs Samurai (FFT)
Wain vs  Pepperoni

Agate is a lot about Wild Rage to 100 CP and then immediately trying to unleash borderline OHKO damage. He's a bit slow and Wild Rage does have that HP cost, so people who can survive the S-Craft and rip off enough HP then to take down that strategy
Agate  vs Rei- Wild Rage->OHKO
Agate vs Dias- Durable, faster, damaging
Agate vs Angelo- If Angelo tries to buff defense first, Agate will heal lock. If he doesn't, OHKO. Immediate turns are fun.
Agate vs Flik- Durable/fast/damaging is the perfect combo to take down Agate
Agate vs Jude- Um...hmm...this will depend on Sylphen Guard's charge time, because Jude especially hates evade. Jude is naturally 39% faster and the turn to the first AB comes at 214% speed. Will need to check speed notes.
Agate vs Sabin- Takes a hit, Wild Rage, OHKO
Agate vs Meru- Dragoon form turn 1 may save her. I need to check my exact numbers at home
Agate vs Alice (SH)
Agate vs Seifer- Chip+Smash
Agate vs Crono- Crono barely 3HKOs. While he doesn't 3HKO, he just does enough to kill a Wild Rage turn 2 strategy
Agate vs Samurai (FFT)- Were FFT Shell/Protect permanent? Did they wear off in a way that Samurai can always keep them up? Agate can't OHKO, put any chipping will basically no if Shell/Protect aren't up.
Agate vs Pepperoni- Pepperoni has HP, but Agate blocking ID as well as Sylphen Guard lead to a bad combo.

Wain 9-3 (Hard to outslug, especially for a not great Heavy pool)
Agate 6-3 (But suspect that the 3 other matches may all break in the other direction. Which is to say, unsure if he can play in Heavy since he'd go 3-3 in both)

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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2013, 02:15:37 PM »
Lufia 3 defense matters, just doubt it matters much on the tight DL curve.
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2013, 01:30:52 AM »
Glenn vs Jude - Jude halves Wind. Bad start. Glenn is also an average speed PC to me, which means Jude runs circles around him and drops AB combos all day long. Not good.
Glenn vs Sabin - *checks stat topic*. Um wow. That's a lot more damage than I thought >_>. He probably OHKOs because Sabin durability.
Glenn vs Alice (SH)  - Halves physicals, which gives her lots of wiggle room
Glenn vs Seifer - lulzorz
Glenn vs Crono - Man, Glenn might be a skill less PC, but what Snow said pretty much sums up the gist of it. Glenn 2HKOs, doesn't get 3-2 and Crono doesn't 2HKO himself. Crono, you are bad and should feel bad.
Glenn vs Samurai (FFT) - What Super said. Wastes one light attack on BG, then blows a big chain and then killer chain. 2HKOs easily, Sam can't do the same.
Glenn vs Pepperoni - Sure, I trust Snow's numbers here too.

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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2013, 02:23:43 AM »
Glenn vs Rei: So yeah, the SUPER AWESOME Glenn damage which is near OHKO relies on him getting double Einlanzer while everyone else is stuck with Stone. It's quite a bit easier to get a prism weapon than double Einlanzer (which requires two separate sidequests IIRC) so fuck that. Difficult to estimate exactly what this does to Glenn's damage, but looking at the effect of 5 str on others I'd imagine Glenn's relative damage falls by about 15-20%. So yeah, lol at Glenn OHKO hype, Rei uses ID.
Glenn vs Dias: Faster, has some evasion.
Glenn vs Angelo: Quite a bit faster.
Glenn vs Flik: Hits a weakness. Ow.
Glenn vs Jude: Halves wind, is tanky, so may well drop Glenn to a 3HKO, and may not need to. Too lazy to math this out to be certain.
Glenn vs Sabin: Nope, another case where less respect for Glenn's damage costs him a match. I think opting for a Tiger Mask, which only he and Gau can do, will get him just past Glenn in speed.
Glenn vs Meru: Okay, someone Glenn OHKOs even for me!
Glenn vs Alice (SH): Halving physicals gives her time.
Glenn vs Seifer: When CC fights FF8, bet on CC every time.
Glenn vs Crono: Red Katana Crono is still faster and 2HKOs due to hitting a weakness.
Glenn vs Samurai (FFT): Speed, endless resources and not being worried about BG means he should take this.

Agate vs Rei: One-rounds. Think this is true either by Snowfire views or Dhyer views.
Agate vs Dias: Think so.
Agate vs Angelo: Bounce stops petrify nonsense, Buff stops any hope of a OHKO (don't think this is needed), and one of confuse/blind/death is getting through to mess with things long enough for Angelo to outslug. Superior speed also helps. Angelo speed kinda underrated incidientally (or at least, I've been doing it), he's only a hair slower than Jessica with Mercury's Rapier (lol like he equips anything else ever).
Agate vs Flik: Zappity zap.
Agate vs Jude: uhhh do Agate physicals even break Jude's special armour? I think they just miss. That's ugly, if so.
Agate vs Sabin: Faster, 2HKO. Just durable enough to survive Agate nonsense.
Agate vs Meru: dat frontloaded damage
Agate vs Alice (SH): edit: Earth Guard nonsense.
Agate vs Seifer: Can backload his damage well enough, I think.
Agate vs Crono: Agate needs 3 turns against the somewhat durable Crono, and Crono doesn't let most opponents get that many.
Agate vs Samurai (FFT): Earth Guard nonsense. EDIT: Or not. Agate isn't -that- much faster and his MP sucks, so he burns it up fast trying to do this. Meanwhile Samurai probably 3HKOs even with a stone-blocker (4HKO at worst), and that damage sticks forever while Agate either faces Blade Grasp or uses MP to do damage (which gets easily healed since Trails non-finisher damage) and needs three attacks before a finisher will KO, before Protect.

Agate 4-7
Glenn 3-8
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2013, 02:33:28 AM »
Earth Guard blocks multiple hits (one enemy in the final dungeon has a 2 hit basic physical).
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2013, 02:46:52 AM »
Glenn vs Rei: So yeah, the SUPER AWESOME Glenn damage which is near OHKO relies on him getting double Einlanzer while everyone else is stuck with Stone. It's quite a bit easier to get a prism weapon than double Einlanzer (which requires two separate sidequests IIRC) so fuck that. Difficult to estimate exactly what this does to Glenn's damage, but looking at the effect of 5 str on others I'd imagine Glenn's relative damage falls by about 15-20%. So yeah, lol at Glenn OHKO hype, Rei uses ID.


If you complete the Dario sidequest (and got Glenn to start with), all you have to do is go to Dario's grave in Another Termina (ie walk over to where the Einlanzer is) and you'll get double Einlanzer.  While the Dario sidequest is lengthy and takes longer than activating Prism weapons, it's worth noting that it's basically zero percent harder than getting the Mastermune, so you should really take both the same way at a minimum.

The trouble with prism weapons is that you have to grind specifically for them, due to the non-prism materials in the weapons only being available if you take non-indicative actions, while the Dario sidequest gives you rewards at pretty much every step with a good payoff.  not to say I don't think the stat topic should reflect just having prism weapons, but I mean... how much is he missing the OHKO by with stone gear?  Him dropping to stone should be a bigger relative drop than the average rising to reflect widespread prism weapons.
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2013, 04:50:04 AM »
Heh, fair enough regarding the second Einlanzer. I'm just remembering my own playthrough where I found the first Einlanzer but not the second.

I definitely don't hype Mastermune vs. stone weapons either, for what it's worth! (Isn't Serge damage hype reliant on "species weakness" or something? His str certainly isn't special...) And yeah, the case against rainbow stuff is kinda ridiculous seeing as not only is "use summons" not a terribly hard requirement, but you get two spectral weapons (which you can disassemble/reassemble IIRC?) in the game to boot, so scaling Glenn vs. stone equips is particularly ridiculous since if you have dual Einlanzer your endgame party is guaranteed to be prism-level (two prism weapons + Mastermune).

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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2013, 05:04:11 AM »
Mastermune basically just makes Serge's damage start doubling, yeah.  We assumed it was some sort of absurd crit rate for ages (the game gives it critical sound effects, and hey it'd be a weird little similarity between Crono and Serge with their best weapons), and I think Niu brought up that it's listed as just hitting species weaknesses against everything.  There's no real way to test the mechanics behind it that I noticed, but the fact his physicals and Dash and Slash just start dealing twice as much damage is definitely there.
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Re: Proving Grounds Week 3 Middle -Wain and Noa have a debate. Glenn flees.
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2013, 06:15:07 PM »
Wain  vs Rei (BoF3)
Wain vs Dias
Wain vs Angelo
Wain vs Flik
Wain vs Jude
Wain vs Sabin
Wain vs Meru
Wain vs Alice (SH)
Wain vs Seifer
Wain vs Crono
Wain vs Samurai (FFT)

Noa vs Rei
Noa vs Dias
Noa vs Angelo
Noa vs Flik
Noa vs Jude
Noa vs Sabin
Noa vs Meru
Noa vs Alice (SH)
Noa vs Seifer
Noa vs Crono
Noa vs Samurai (FFT)

Glenn vs Rei
Glenn vs Dias
Glenn vs Angelo
Glenn vs Flik
Glenn vs Jude
Glenn vs Sabin
Glenn vs Meru
Glenn vs Alice (SH)
Glenn vs Seifer
Glenn vs Crono
Glenn vs Samurai (FFT)
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