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Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« on: November 12, 2013, 06:24:47 AM »
Piplup (Diamond/Pearl) vs Red Turnip (Saga)
Zahhak (S5) vs Sandy (FF4)
Renault (FE7) vs Mogu (BoF1)
Jake (FE11) vs Mindy (FF4)

Adam (SF1) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD)
Chu-Chu (XG) vs Hetzel (FE10)
Shiho (VP1) vs Shion Uzuki (XS3 boss)
Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) vs Slime (Saga)
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2013, 06:38:21 AM »
Zahhak (S5) vs Sandy (FF4)- Sandy can only deal damage through confusion. That means she feasts on puny PC's but dies to the first boss or confuse immune she faces. >_<
Renault (FE7) vs Mogu (BoF1)- Kneejerk. Renault has PCish durability and Mogu is absolutely awful at taking hits. That should bridge the gigantic gap in damage between the two.

Adam (SF1) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD)- wtf is this no E: Both join late and are grossly underleveled. Both are fucking awful PC's even fi they get equal levels. Chelsea is less fucking awful in game, if for no other reason than she doesn't have to be fed kills. Inclined to respect her more.
Chu-Chu (XG) vs Hetzel (FE10)
Shiho (VP1) vs Shion Uzuki (XS3 boss)- Strong kneejerk of Shion's boss form basically being Jogurt with some more HP.
Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) vs Slime (Saga)- Draining. Doubles might make this a thing, but I have zero respect for Mustadio offense.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2013, 06:41:57 AM by superaielman »
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2013, 08:17:27 AM »
Piplup (Diamond/Pearl) vs Red Turnip (Saga) - uh.  Kneejerk for the one with draining.
Zahhak (S5) vs Sandy (FF4) - Eh sure.
Jake (FE11) vs Mindy (FF4) - Magic damage off of averagish speed would probably enough to own Jake, if it weren't something to the tune of a 20HKO to average.  Mindy's own durability is also some shade of bad.

Adam (SF1) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD) - LESS.  INCOMPETENT.
Chu-Chu (XG) vs Hetzel (FE10) - :llewelyn:
Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) vs Slime (Saga) - e: eh sure.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2013, 09:33:37 PM by Random Consonant »

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2013, 09:40:42 AM »
Piplup (Diamond/Pearl) vs Red Turnip (Saga) - Piplup is much better on paper, Hydro Pump should be painful in Puny and it has Torrent and Brine in reserve, but my memory says that Shriekers are innately immune to water-class attacks and a quick test vs Krakens confirms that. I'm not sure _why_, the Monster FAQ doesn't list them as having a locked MellowRing or the like, but they're immune. Oh SaGa Frontier, you so crazy. Piplup's best non-water damage is Drill Peck, but I'd call that piercing, which Shriekers tank magnificently. Penguin status: spoiled.

Jake (FE11) vs Mindy (FF4) - FF4o Mindy tanks one Jake hit and fires back a lethal Virus double. Edit: Okay, I guess restricting Mindy to her L1s fits with the flavor of the tournament.

Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) vs Slime (Saga) - Mustadio's fists 4HKO, and Arm Aim lasts for 2 Slime turns. AA punch AA punch AA punch punch does the trick. Only a ~20% chance that Mustadio can get three Arm Aims in a row to stick, but at best Slime is 18HKOing, and my FFT interps put it at 21. Musty's got time.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2013, 08:58:28 PM by MalcolmMasher »

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2013, 12:28:40 PM »
Piplup (Diamond/Pearl) vs RedTurnip (Saga) - Holy crap, Turnip immunes Water-type attacks? -Really-?
Zahhak (S5) vs Sandy (FF4) - Sandy literally -can not- win if the enemy immunes Confuse. This is absolutely amazing.
Renault (FE7) vs Mogu (BoF1) - Outslugs flat given counters. Sub-Jude mdur, Mogu? Really?

Adam (SF1) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD) - Adam clause.
Shiho (VP1) vs Shion Uzuki (XS3 boss) - This fight is literally unending. Shiho can't possibly break through Shion's 15% (!!!) healing, but Shion herself 14HKOS average with her best non-physical damage (which itself is OPB -and- 13HKO to average). So uh tiebreaking for the loser who deals more damage overall. (...) EDIT: Wait a minute, let's factor in Blood Dancer/Heaven Tracker/HP accessories in this shit. Nevermind, Shiho outdamages here.
Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) vs Slime (Saga) - I don't want to live in a world where Musty's Arm Aim is ever useful in a duel. The status doesn't run off Slime's turns anyway, but general clockticks, and Blunt is Slime's best physical durability anyway (...). I'm not sure why you're hyping that for him, Malcolm. EDIT: WHAT IS THIS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - EDIT #greftar: sure, burping elfboy cause why not
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2013, 01:18:10 PM »
Technically it's Shrieker that nulls water; I'm testing with Cotton. (Strangely enough, I have no save files with Red Turnip). But Shrieker for Red Turnip is basically as fair a claim as SaGa monsters can stake.

I'm well aware that FFT measures durations in ticks; at endgame, 24 ticks is generally gonna get ya 2 turns. This will vary depending on CT specifics and exactly how you translate Slime's speed; my own angle is that Musty can lock Slime down for 3 turns when the stars are right (i.e. when his Arm Aim resolves shortly before Slime's turn would happen), which is icing on the cake. As for "hype"... sure, 60% to deny your opponent 2 turns is trashy in a duel, but Slime makes trash look good. And isn't "this pathetic option is, somehow, actually relevant here" what Puny Cup is all about?

(Musty's punches hit significantly harder than his fists, despite Slime's marginally less terrible blunt durability. I did run the numbers on this grotesque parody of competence.)

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2013, 02:44:27 PM »
Zahhak (S5) vs Sandy (FF4)
Renault (FE7) vs Mogu (BoF1)
Jake (FE11) vs Mindy (FF4)
MalcomMasher: Mindy only can use Virus as part of Delta Attack on Cindy.  After Cindy dies, the Magus Sisters really, really, really, really suck.

Chu-Chu (XG) vs Hetzel (FE10)
Shiho (VP1) vs Shion Uzuki (XS3 boss)
Bosses win infinite stallfests.  Also Shion has the better theoretical beatdown thanks to Break off Break Bash even if it's still not enough here, her damage is worse than I thought.
EDIT: See below.  Boss Shion has HORRIBLE HORRIBLE BP and gets stunlocked by birds or something.  What.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2013, 11:47:12 PM by SnowFire »

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2013, 02:46:47 PM »
Malcolm: Mindy can only use Virus/Bio as part of Delta attack IIRC, she only uses those awesome L1 spells when she's left alone. E: Beaten. SNOOOOOOOOOOWFIRE!

E to Snowfire: Do XS3 bosses run out of EP?
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2013, 03:41:32 PM »
Technically it's Shrieker that nulls water; I'm testing with Cotton. (Strangely enough, I have no save files with Red Turnip). But Shrieker for Red Turnip is basically as fair a claim as SaGa monsters can stake.

I'm well aware that FFT measures durations in ticks; at endgame, 24 ticks is generally gonna get ya 2 turns. This will vary depending on CT specifics and exactly how you translate Slime's speed; my own angle is that Musty can lock Slime down for 3 turns when the stars are right (i.e. when his Arm Aim resolves shortly before Slime's turn would happen), which is icing on the cake. As for "hype"... sure, 60% to deny your opponent 2 turns is trashy in a duel, but Slime makes trash look good. And isn't "this pathetic option is, somehow, actually relevant here" what Puny Cup is all about?

The problem is that I think Musty needs -four- turns - remember, he 4HKOs. And, if he's actually going that route, THE HORRIBLE STR DOWN MOVE ACTUALLY BECOMES RELEVANT (lowering damage by 20% means Musty now 5HKOs, I think? Dear GOD), and that's bound to happen -before- the Arm Aim lock actually works (Arm Aim is a waste of a turn when it misses, etc.). If Mustadio 5HKOs, he'll need to connect three Arm Aims in a row to win! And that's uh yeah. Holy -crap- this match. I can't believe this shit. I actually have to calc the exact turnsplit long-term on Musty/Slime and check whatever the odds on Arm Aim going the way he -wants- to are within that interim.

(Also, don't mind my hyperbole)

EDIT: WAIT A MINUTE FFT CRITS BECOME RELEVANT IN THIS FIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2013, 04:15:31 PM »
Malcolm: I assume you doublechecked that Cotton didn't have a PearlHeart or similar accessory? That said "Shrieker immunes water" is ringing a bell from my own playthroughs too. Weird.

Also re Mindy, normally I would absolutely allow her to use Virus at any time. I think it's a bit ridiculous to suggest that she has a version of Virus that can only target allies, or one that is enabled by having allies alive, both of which are completely inconsistent with FF4 mechanics. Letting her use Virus whenever she wants is no different than letting bosses spam their best attack to me. That said that makes her clearly not puny so I guess I'll go along with the crowd for this tournament.

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2013, 04:34:14 PM »
It's explicitly flavored as a team-up attack, just where Mindy is the initiator.  Since she never uses Virus/Element2 spells ever after one sister is dead, it's mechanically equivalent to a team-up attack as well, it likely would have been implemented in a system with fancier graphics with them all doing something at once.  The alternative is assuming even more catastrophically bad AI than usual and Mindy is dumb as a rock, which meh.

Also, while Fire2/Virus/etc. clearly are targetable on anyone in-game, Twin Magic does exist, so it's clearly not impossible to have FF4 magic that does have ally-alive restrictions.  And I know we've had this debate before, but to me at least I don't particularly care if a boss spell "mechanically" has a special rule behind it, or the special rule is implemented by the AI, since the only way the player can tell the difference is if they haXX0r the game.

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2013, 04:53:00 PM »
See, if they'd called the move "Delta Attack" or "Super Team Friendship Unite!" I'd agree with you. But that's not what the attack is, it's Virus, Fire 2, Bolt 2, etc. ... spells which the player has and knows exactly how they work. None of the FF4 PC-side black mages need help to use those basic spells, so the logical assumption is that enemies work the same way. No hacking knowledge is required here. If anything the fact that she doesn't use them once her allies fall seems more obscure; I couldn't have told you that without a stat topic.

As for why she stops using it when her allies die, who knows? Maybe she gives up once her sisters fall. Maybe she is just catastrophically dumb (wouldn't be the first boss). That's not really my concern.

In general I take the attitude that team bosses are underrated by the DL a fair bit as is (unless you give massive support credit), so I'm generally willing to make judgement calls like this in their favour.

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2013, 05:24:00 PM »
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2013, 05:25:57 PM »
Piplup (Diamond/Pearl) vs Red Turnip (Saga)
Zahhak (S5) vs Sandy (FF4)
Renault (FE7) vs Mogu (BoF1)
Jake (FE11) vs Mindy (FF4)

Adam (SF1) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD)
Chu-Chu (XG) vs Hetzel (FE10)
Shiho (VP1) vs Shion Uzuki (XS3 boss)
Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) vs Slime (Saga)
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2013, 07:47:09 PM »
I'm with Snowfire on this one. The magus three literally say Delta Attack when they use the move. Mechanically and plotwise it's a teamup move, I have no problem with saying Mindy can't use it in the DL.
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2013, 04:48:07 AM »
Piplup (Diamond/Pearl) vs Red Turnip (Saga): Spoils Piplup something fierce, even does magic damage so can't be Growled to oblivion.
Zahhak (S5) vs Sandy (FF4): No direct damage? Well then.
Renault (FE7) vs Mogu (BoF1): Yeah Renault's not puny, looking at things again. His damage is a touch underrated, it can reach 6HKO at -3 AS (which still doesn't get him doubled by much of Light, let alone Puny). Toss in counters and he's too good for the division IMO.
Jake (FE11) vs Mindy (FF4): Sure, although I'd vote Mindy outside this tournament, as noted.

Chu-Chu (XG) vs Hetzel (FE10): Not sure Chu-Chu is puny either? Regardless, Hetzel sucks.
Shiho (VP1) vs Shion Uzuki (XS3 boss): Shiho does 3.7% to average. Shion can indeed stall this indefinitely, but only barely... I don't see her above 30% PCHP, so healing 1/7 of her HP barely keeps the bird at bay, and she has to use almost all her turns healing. On the other hand, Shion's own spammable damage is awful. The stat topic calls it 6.9% to average, buuut I think OK ignored all the awesome HP+ equipment in that game, since my own HP was closer to 6000 and I certainly wasn't overlevelled (I ran from most final dungeon randoms). So yeah, it's 5.3%, before Shiho's good res. Shiho heals only once every 5 turns, while Shion needs to heal more often than not, or lose. In other words, it is Shiho who does more damage over time. Not relevant to Snowfire etc. who use different tiebreaks, but whatever, I'm not inclined to tiebreak for the boss in this situation, it's not like Shion would heal so intelligently in-game.
Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) vs Slime (Saga): Yeah, Slime's style of drain stalling doesn't work very well against unreliable status, the same way PS4 sleep or Saga palsy can put away long stally matches.

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2013, 08:35:51 PM »
Also, belatedly: super, I don't know if XS3 bosses can run out of EP, but I'd be surprised if they could.  That said if I had Elf-level XS3 PC damage respect, it probably doesn't matter, as I surely wouldn't allow Shion to spam healing almost every single turn (something she'd never do in-game), and Shiho wins outright off inexplicable bird beatdown due to a Shion Medica S every other turn not keeping up with bird damage.  (I'm not sure I'd be that harsh myself, getting the uber damage usually requires blowing stock which you'd rather keep for the next boss fight, or alternatively backloading a bit with something like Blood Dancer, so I think that Shion probably doesn't have to spam healing THAT aggressively, which also would win her the damage-over-time tiebreak likely, because bird thwacks are epic.)

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2013, 08:59:16 PM »
If Slime used a 100% accuracy initiative Spoil, Musty would need four consecutive Arm Aims (~13%) to allow his 5HKO. On average he will fail this sequence at some point about 7 times before he succeeds, which means he'll probably still be above 50% when he brings Slime down. The real Spoil is significantly worse than that.

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2013, 10:35:02 PM »
Piplup (Diamond/Pearl) vs Red Turnip (Saga) - The fact that this level of spoiling can happen in puny is hilarious.
Zahhak (S5) vs Sandy (FF4) - I was all set to unironically hype Zahak's parry rate, only to find he wins without needing it.
Renault (FE7) vs Mogu (BoF1) - Renault being *too good* for anything is making me giggle. He is the man who brought a wiffle-bat to a feather duster fight.
Jake (FE11) vs Mindy (FF4)

Adam (SF1) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD) - :Adam:
Chu-Chu (XG) vs Hetzel (FE10) - Chu-Chu vs Renault semi finals? Looking like it.
Shiho (VP1) vs Shion Uzuki (XS3 boss)
Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) vs Slime (Saga) - ....
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2013, 11:12:54 PM »
Also, belatedly: super, I don't know if XS3 bosses can run out of EP, but I'd be surprised if they could.  That said if I had Elf-level XS3 PC damage respect, it probably doesn't matter, as I surely wouldn't allow Shion to spam healing almost every single turn (something she'd never do in-game), and Shiho wins outright off inexplicable bird beatdown due to a Shion Medica S every other turn not keeping up with bird damage.  (I'm not sure I'd be that harsh myself, getting the uber damage usually requires blowing stock which you'd rather keep for the next boss fight, or alternatively backloading a bit with something like Blood Dancer, so I think that Shion probably doesn't have to spam healing THAT aggressively, which also would win her the damage-over-time tiebreak likely, because bird thwacks are epic.)

I dunno, 9000 enemy HP at the very endgame is really bad (lower than many randoms at endgame, even!). DL-legal KOS-MOS can reasonably OHKO that post-Blood Dancer given enough crit luck (2 out of 3 hits on her best damage), to give you an idea. The long-term damage average should be well over 3k at that point (Heaven Tracker+Blood Dancer, along with Offensive, for starters), which means that Shion -unscaled- would be sub-PC HP. If you're sub-PC HP unscaled, you're doing it utterly wrong.
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2013, 12:10:27 AM »
I do have to agree with Snow here. No way are T-elos or Kevin 2PCHP, and Shion has less than 1/5 what they have, so... that's bad. That said I could see an argument that Shion's HP is better than 1/5 of theirs in the DL because the real nastiness of XS3 damage is a touch backloaded due to the buffs. ALSO SUPPORT CREDIT?!

Hmm I should work out the breakeven point for who wins damage over time. But lazy.

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2013, 01:12:29 PM »
Piplup (Diamond/Pearl) vs Red Turnip (Saga): Kneejerk.
Zahhak (S5) vs Sandy (FF4): AHAHAHAA.
Renault (FE7) vs Mogu (BoF1): Has more damage...somehow...
Jake (FE11) vs Mindy (FF4): Kneejerk.

Adam (SF1) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD): Chelsea is bad but she's not Adam.
Chu-Chu (XG) vs Hetzel (FE10): Actual offense.
Shiho (VP1) vs Shion Uzuki (XS3 boss): Voting for the non-practically plot fight <_<
Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) vs Slime (Saga): Well, this match sums up Puny well; Slime wins with his godliek parasitic healin!!!
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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2013, 07:36:37 PM »
Piplup (Diamond/Pearl) vs Red Turnip (Saga)
Zahhak (S5) vs Sandy (FF4)
Renault (FE7) vs Mogu (BoF1)
Jake (FE11) vs Mindy (FF4)

Adam (SF1) vs Chelsea Torn (ToD) - Uh...higher levels?  Really doesn't matter
Chu-Chu (XG) vs Hetzel (FE10) - Godlike PC does not belong here :(
Shiho (VP1) vs Shion Uzuki (XS3 boss) - Uh...yeah, no.  Shiho doesn't start with anything to attack with, including Wait Reaction.  I have never allowed it for her, and, despite how much I'd rather see Shion lose...must stay consistent. 
Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) vs Slime (Saga)

[11:53] <+Meeple_Gorath> me reading, that's a good one

[19:26] * +Terra_Condor looks up. Star Wars Football, what?
[19:27] <+Terra_Condor> Han Kicks First?
[19:27] <%Grefter-game> Vader intercepts.
[19:27] <%Grefter-game> Touchdown and Alderaan explodes in the victory

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Re: Puny cup, Round 1: The best of the worst.
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2013, 11:46:07 PM »
So, because I'm bored...  a three-turn XS3 damage average using the numbers in the topic, but where Jin uses Heaven Tracker & KOS / MOMO use Blood Dancer turn 1 is 2425.  2425*3*2.5 = 18188 for 1x PCHP for an endgame boss by this view (so yeah, Kevin clears 2 PCHP...  unless you hold Blood Dancer & stuff like Overtaker more heavily against him due to the fight taking longer than 3 turns.).  This doesn't take into account boost & special moves, though, which you can walk into the fight with stocked, and probably should count for someone like Kevin or T-elos, although it's questionable for Shion.  If we assume "support credit HP" and "boost/special moves discredit" cancel out, though, this implies Shion's Medica S heals a mighty 1392/18188 = 7.6% PCHP (!!).  Two Shiho bird thwacks do 7.4% PCHP (!!).

So, from the numbers in the topic, it's almost a draw on long term damage - Shion deals 6.9% PCHP damage every two turns via damage + heal, Shiho usually spams 7.4% PCHP with 2 bird bashses but occasionally has to give up a turn for a much stronger full heal, meaning they're dealing equivalent damage.  However!!1!  This analysis ignores Break!  Shion can tank her damage some to use Break Bash and break Shiho a lot.  However, boss Shion's BP is *horrific*, and I certainly let non-XS3 PCs break XS3 bosses, so uh Shion's getting dizzied by birdies, too. The Break damage average per character is 65 (when maximizing break) and Shion sports an amazing 80 BP, so that's like 2 Bird Thwacks -> dizzy.  Despite the fact that Shion would, ignoring break, barely stay afloat via healing every other turn to me (I wouldn't allow it any more frequently), I think *she's* the one who ends up broken too much and possibly break-locked by Shiho: Bird, Heal, Bird, Skip, Bird, Skip, Bird, Heal, Bird x2, etc.  This might actually kill Shion.  Vote changed, since the breaks don't seem to fall her way.

WTF.
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