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Re: 2014 Miscellaneous Links You Won't Believe
« Reply #100 on: February 26, 2014, 12:10:03 AM »
http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/02/arizona-goddam.html


Editorial on the Arizona law.

That bill in Georgia is actually a lot worse, somehow.
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Re: 2014 Miscellaneous Links You Won't Believe
« Reply #101 on: February 26, 2014, 02:19:37 AM »
http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/02/arizona-goddam.html


Editorial on the Arizona law.

That bill in Georgia is actually a lot worse, somehow.
What's the Georgia one you're referring to, out of curiosity?

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« Reply #102 on: February 26, 2014, 02:22:47 AM »
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/02/new-bill-georgia-would-allow-businesses-kick-gay-people-out-diners

http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en-US/display/20132014/HB/1023

It is not an exaggeration to say that if your religion tolerates the idea of you marrying your niece, you can do so in Georgia if this law passes.
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« Reply #103 on: February 26, 2014, 02:39:17 AM »
And I wonder if that would cause people to try to start religions just to validate these things if they can't find an existing one to cover them.

Edit: Actually, could these laws be used to justify honor killings?
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« Reply #104 on: February 26, 2014, 03:22:02 AM »
Dhyer: they could raise it as a defense in their criminal prosecution but it would fail.  Let's take a gander at the bill, shall we:

Here's the meat of it:

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46 (a) A person's civil right to exercise of religion shall not be burdened even if the burden
47 results from a rule, law, ordinance, regulation, or policy of general applicability unless
48 demonstrated, by clear and convincing evidence, that application of the burden to the
49 person is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest and is the least restrictive
50 means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.

All the bolded terms have special meanings.

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14 (1) 'Burden' means any government action or implementation or application of any law,
15 including, but not limited to, state and local laws, ordinances, rules, regulations, and
16 policies, whether statutory or otherwise, that directly or indirectly constrains, inhibits,
17 curtails, or denies the exercise of religion by any person or that directly or indirectly
18 pressures any person to engage in any action contrary to that person's exercise of religion,
19 including, but not limited to, withholding benefits, assessing criminal, civil, or
20 administrative penalties, and exclusion from government programs or access to
21 government facilities.

So "burden" here includes any government act whatsoever including the application of criminal laws that have no direct bearing whatsoever on religion.

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24 (3) 'Exercise of religion' means the practice or observance of religion under Article I,
25 Section I, Paragraphs III and IV of the Constitution of this state and the free exercise
26 clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, including, but not
27 limited to, the right to act or refuse to act in a manner substantially motivated by a
28 sincerely held religious tenet or belief whether or not the exercise is compulsory or a
29 central part or requirement of the person's religious tenets or beliefs.

As you can see, "exercise of religion" is defined extremely broadly.  Your religion need not compel you to act in a certain way; it only need lightly suggest that you act that way.

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22 (2) 'Compelling governmental interest' includes, but is not limited to, protecting the
23 welfare of a child from abuse and neglect as provided for by state law.

This is all this particular bill has to say about what the term "compelling governmental interest" means.  However the language "least restrictive means of furthering a compelling governmental interest" is well-understood in US jurisprudence to mean that in determining whether a law or governmental act is valid the court should be very willing to strike the law down.  Typically strict scrutiny is applied to laws that burden people unequally on the basis of race, or infringe on a fundamental right protected by the Constitution.  Ah, but life is one of the fundamental rights protected by the constitution, so even applying strict scrutiny to the application of a law against murder to an honor killing motivated by sincere religious beliefs, the law against murder stands.

Ah, but what about marrying your niece?  Does your foreign culture, which happens to heavily feature religion, tolerate such marriages?  Even if it doesn't, do you have it in your misguided head that it is OK, perhaps because someone in the old testament did something like that?  Looks like you are acting in a "manner substantially motivated by a sincerely held religious tenet" even though your religion probably doesn't make marrying your  niece a "central part or requirement" of your religious practice.  Hey, you've got a bona fide "exercise of religion!"  And incest is against the law, so there's your "burden!"  Now, does the government have a "compelling governmental interest" in stopping you from marrying your niece such that it still can do so?  Probably not, unless your niece is a minor.  Certainly no one is having THEIR fundamental rights violated by you marrying your niece.  But what about the fact that it's illegal to marry your niece pretty much everywhere, and science shows that having babies with someone so closely related to you vastly increases the chance of birth defects?  What about deep concerns that a person in position of authority like an uncle would exert undue influence on their brother's daughter?  Well, those sure are good points, and maybe you could say they demonstrate a compelling government interest, except...

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61 In determining whether a compelling governmental interest is sufficient to justify a burden
62 on a person's exercise of religion pursuant to subsection (a) of Code Section 50-15A-2,
63 only those interests of the highest order and not otherwise served can overbalance the
64 fundamental right to the exercise of religion preserved by this chapter. In order to prevail
65 under the standard provided for by subsection (a) of Code Section 50-15A-2, it shall be
66 demonstrated that such standard is satisfied through application of the asserted violation
67 of this chapter to the particular claimant whose sincere exercise of religion has been
68 burdened. The religious liberty interest protected by this chapter is an independent liberty
69 that occupies a preferred position and no encroachments upon this liberty shall be
70 permitted, whether direct or indirect, unless required by clear and compelling governmental
71 interests of the highest order.

Yeowch.  Looks like your niece is out of luck.
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Re: 2014 Miscellaneous Links You Won't Believe
« Reply #105 on: March 04, 2014, 07:41:50 PM »
Blah blah link bait lists blah blah, but 10 Book Series That Would Make Excellent TV Shows.

I am totally down with a Mars Trilogy TV series, and so are a lot of the folks in the comments. Someone pleaaaaaase make that happen.
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Re: 2014 Miscellaneous Links You Won't Believe
« Reply #107 on: March 06, 2014, 09:55:21 PM »
Good to hear he is doing well businesswise and no direct quote in there is surprising after meeting him.

Edit - And I can actually use this to troll a friend who thinks I am crazy for drinking that stuff at work, but is doing an entrepreneurship subject in his business degree this year.
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« Reply #109 on: March 08, 2014, 06:39:56 PM »
You know, if you took that suit, painted it the proper colors, it could pass as something credible in the 90s or so, which is impressive considering the resources he used.
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« Reply #110 on: March 09, 2014, 11:43:54 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9x_koRZ2bA

Dark Souls story "summary" to get prepared for the sequel.

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« Reply #111 on: March 10, 2014, 06:40:39 PM »
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« Reply #112 on: March 10, 2014, 08:39:32 PM »
Frog Fractions 2 Kickstarter.
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« Reply #113 on: March 11, 2014, 09:36:11 AM »
Frog Fractions 2 Kickstarter.
FROG FRACTIONS 2 KICKSTARTER.

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« Reply #114 on: March 15, 2014, 07:31:10 AM »
And this is how you cosplay:

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« Reply #115 on: March 15, 2014, 07:41:41 AM »
I would say "tell that Asian kid that whiteface isn't doing him any favors" but they gave us the blackface pokeyman so it will probably fall on deaf ears.

I saw an albino Asian man once in Bali. Freaked me the fuck out.

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« Reply #116 on: March 17, 2014, 07:41:39 AM »
http://www.nyartsmagazine.com/?p=16124

Friend of mine from work getting a piece in NY Art magazine.  Super happy for her.
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« Reply #117 on: March 18, 2014, 08:38:54 PM »
Presenting panels from GDC that I have a feeling are going to be repeatedly misinterpreted in stupid ways for a while:

Plot is Highly Overrated in Video Games

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« Reply #118 on: March 18, 2014, 09:27:16 PM »
"But they also talked about what extensive research has shown: that plot itself doesn’t resonate with a majority of players. Characters, on the other hand, do."

This is my position on fiction in general these days. Characters are plot, or at least all of it that's worth caring about. Plot when defined as a series of things happening is worthless; worthwhile plot is understanding why people did those things.

Probably not a novel sentiment in DL circle; my first impulse on reading their statement was to interpret in light of above existing thinking (against my better judgement, I read some of the comments on that article; I was surprised to find it mostly quite civil thus far).

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« Reply #120 on: March 19, 2014, 01:05:59 AM »
I would imagine that most people at the DL would disagree because the community is centered around a genre was specifically built up around having much longer plots.
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« Reply #121 on: March 19, 2014, 01:16:21 AM »
Would we though?   I would argue that the big "plot" games in the genre that our community concentrates on either do have a good character focus on their story telling (in your Disgaea type scenarios) or follow story telling that works as a larger piece of serialized fiction all jammed in together like a TV series/book series tend to. 

Being made up of lots of 3 act structures that may as a whole follow that arc or ignore it completely (how many story arcs are there in Xenogears?  It breaks up pretty well continent by continent, Persona 4 has very clearly defined "episodes".  FFT straight up uses Chapters). 

Trying to jam the three arc structure into 40 hours doesn't really work.  Games that do it tend to be either plot thin or focus hard on gameplay.  You can do that effectively by cutting on game length though (DDS2 is the example that really springs to mind here, it definitely doesn't have multiple arcs going on but works okay as a strong dungeon crawler told over low 20s hours, even then the "story" is split into two distinct games).

I don't see anything particularly wrong with the way of interpreting the data there, it is just how you apply what you learn from it.
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« Reply #122 on: March 19, 2014, 01:41:53 AM »
Whoever came up with the title of the first link needs to be slapped but that's nothing new.

Beyond that, well... I do agree with El Cid with regard to the importance of characters and how they drive plots in general, but I don't think that's really anything new. The "death to structure" rhetoric I do find a bit alarming, and the comments along the lines of "well a lot of people don't finish your game anyway so really who cares about building things up towards lategame" make me want to facepalm really hard.

As always, massive disappointment to articles presenting "research" without elaborating on methodology, not even saying who was surveyed and how.

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« Reply #123 on: March 19, 2014, 02:08:24 AM »
The whole topic is misleading. The problem being presented is using only a single three-step arc structure for an entire game, and I'm wholly amenable to the camp that such a basic linear structure suffers a lot of handicaps in the particular medium - so, I agree with the basic idea that the archetype is often suboptimal. My disappointment stems mainly from how they don't even begin to approach -alternate- narrative structures - which fuels the "death to structure" debacle that, in the end, isn't even at the heart of their rhetoric. It's like they don't even go past Narrative Theory 101, which kinda highlights how underthought videogame narrative still is.
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Re: 2014 Miscellaneous Links You Won't Believe
« Reply #124 on: March 19, 2014, 06:50:42 PM »
Presenting panels from GDC that I have a feeling are going to be repeatedly misinterpreted in stupid ways for a while:

Plot is Highly Overrated in Video Games

The speaker at this panel is from Riot Games. I'm sure he has a lot of experience thinking about the role characters, gameplay and plot arcs interact from all his experience working on League of Legends.