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Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« on: March 17, 2014, 05:55:43 PM »
Hoooowwdyy hoooooooo~

Anyway, basics.

1. Remember to use the master rankings list for this topic.  ( http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,6015.0.html )
2.  Please nom up to 6 characters per division.  In each division 3 should be from the list of Ranked games, while the other three should be from any other rankable RPG.  Not necessarily games I have data for of course; in particular I expect a couple Bravely Default noms.
3. Nom an even number of characters in each division.  Additionally, nom an equal number of Ranked and Unranked duelists.

While I prefer to roll out noms, I may have to construct the bracket, so don't worry too much about repeating noms.
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2014, 07:40:21 PM »
Godlike: Elc (AtLC), TimeLord (SaGa), Psaro (DQ4), Aya Brea (PE1),  Nate Nanjo (Pers1), Sarevok (BG1)

Heavy:  Kain Highwind (TAY),  Lans Tatare (TO),  Aima (Lufia 3), Vyse (SoA), RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT (XF), Kiryl (DQ4)

Middle: Garr Kelvin (ToD), Raven (ToV), Asbel Lhant (ToG), Luke fon Fabre (TotA), Guy Cecil (TotA),  Nergal (FE7)

Light: Cai (Brig),  Olvan (7S), Sancho (FM4),  Kain Highwind (FF4), Ilyana (FE9), Banon (FF6)
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2014, 07:57:51 PM »
Godlike: Marino (MMXCM), Uryu (MK2), Gilbert (SH3), Holly (WAoO), Aya Brea (PE), Henne Valkyrie (EF)

Heavy: Sumia (FE:A), MOMO Mizrahi (XS3), Mesarthim (SaGa), Donald Duck (KH), Thage (EP), Strawman (WAoO)

Middle: White Mage (FF5), Ulrika Mulberry (MK2), Mathias (S5), Fullbright The XIII (RS3), Holly Whyte (BD), Cistina Phoraena (TO:LUCT)

Light: Vincent DeBoule (S2), Mack The Knife (SMRPG), Mediator (FFT), Sunset (LaL), Russel Bergman (SRWOGs), Altenna (FE4)
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2014, 08:57:23 PM »
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2014, 09:50:16 PM »
Since I have to assume that everyone has been waiting for a Bravely Default Futurama, would it be possible to wait for the stat topic to go up?  It's certainly harder to guesstimate rankings without one, as some non-obvious strategies not noticed in-game might show up in the stat topic, or the usual DL surprises for in-game to DL translation.

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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2014, 10:04:18 PM »
There's ways to mitigate that.  Obviously any Bravely Default duellers would find their way into week 2, and since people will have that concern I fully expect most of the BD noms to be pretty straightforward fighters.  Anyone with ten minutes could get us Holly numbers for instance.  Beyond that, a certain amount of guesswork is involved in any Futurama, and often with games way harder to work with than BD without hard data.  It's one of the reasons it's its own thing rather than saying "everything's ranked ever!" for CKDL.
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2014, 11:04:12 PM »
My nom also reflects that, since pretty much anyone who played the game for ten minutes can vote on Holly and she's very simple. I guess I could even make a new file and jot down numbers there. Wouldn't take more than half an hour.
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2014, 11:56:59 PM »
Wait, BD Holly is Light? Imma gonna have to get used to this "normal mode" thing...


Godlike:

Fereydoon (Wild Arms 5)
Holly (Wizard of Oz)
Nene (Blue Dragon)
Epsilon (Mega Man X: Command Mission)
Shania (Shadow Hearts 3)
Tetri (Mana Khemia 2)

Heavy:

Bacchus D-79 (Star Ocean: The Last Hope)
Kain Highwind (The After Years)
Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope)
Alkanshel/Bishop Stone (Xenogears)
Kyra (Phantasy Star 4)
Percival Fraulein (Suikoden 3)

Middle:

Calista Arganan (The Last Story)
Cerya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre)
Liu (Suikoden Tierkreis)
Kahn (Breath of Fire 4)
Micaiah (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
Yulie Atreide (Wild Arms 4)

Light:

Borghen (Final Fantasy 2)
Jagen (Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon)
Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre)
Frederick (Fire Emblem: Awakening)
Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy 4)
Melody Vilente (Wild Arms 3)

Let me know if someone looks like they're in the wrong division or if they're overexposed; I didn't do much cross-checking for this one.

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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2014, 12:44:04 AM »
Wait, BD Holly is Light? Imma gonna have to get used to this "normal mode" thing...

She's likely a top-of-the-line Light, but I think she still works there (and I like my Lights good for the division). She's really durable, but 5HKO damage to both durabilities on a good day (and I'm probably overselling her physical) means she's bait to healers. And she can't Brave/Default at all to make some mix-matching. Protect off earlygame stat spreads also borders on useless.

EDIT: I mean, she probably could swing Middle, I guess, but, as I said, I'd prefer nomming a strong Light than a weak Middle.
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2014, 12:52:24 AM »
On hard she has infinite healing which far outpaces average damage. Was that an addition for hard only, or does her healing just suck too much on normal?

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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2014, 01:00:45 AM »
I don't remember her healing even outpacing a Tiz swing with two weapons equipped (though it outpaced Agnés' single swing, but I didn't update her weapon). I've seen her heal Barbas once, but it was kinda "oh lulz". I obviously could be wrong, though (granted, given the massive effects Mind has on healing potency, that causing a jump on the whole she-bang would hardly surprise me).

EDIT: Also, 35% less HP makes a huge difference on her overall durability, which I actually sorta oversold on Normal. 250 HP actually isn't quite that amazing at that point (also, for whatever it's worth, she's vulnerable to a dearth of status, like a lot of BP bosses are, including -paralysis-, -stop- and -sleep-). Granted, with an extra 35% HP, Holly would so slam into Middle even with less potent healing.

EDIT 2: In order to err on the safe side, I nommed her on Middle.
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2014, 12:19:19 PM »
Huh?

Holly on Normal has 250 HP. Average damage is ~15. Her healing is ~75. So vs. 2 PCs that is a full PCHP of infinite healing... off excellent base durability.

And her damage is indeed a 5HKO off Aero.


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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2014, 01:30:30 PM »
Yeah, I already changed her division (though I don't see number of PCs as relevant to averages and durability scaling). Regardless, I'll peg down notes on her - and probably figure out averages (I think the Brave-blitzing option should be factored in the averages to some degree - though it wouldn't keep Holly's healing from outpacing average damage no matter what, there's not much tinkering you can do with damage at that point). I think Middle is viable, given status vulnerability issues and bad slugfesting even with the healing+durability. (I -badly- misremembered her healing.)

Also, this brings to the point that I -believe- BD enemies aren't at all MP-reliant.
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2014, 02:42:59 AM »
Holly reminds me of BoF1 Sara, who was also initially stuck in Light but rightly upgraded to Heavy.  Sure the damage is bad - and it's even worse in-game thanks to Default - but that durability means she's fearsome in slugfests anyway.  I'm not even much for hyping her healing - I'm not sure I ever saw her use it, so I'm not particularly inclined to let her spam it - but aside from the "only fights 2 people" issue, there's also the fact she has support credit!  Sure scale her for AI issues (Protect is bad and should feel bad) if you want, but that only goes so far for me.  I suspect she'll likely maul Middle for me and be a Heavy, but sure, harsher scalings on party members & support could make her play in Middle...  maybe.  She's still a championship-level Middle at worst, though, let alone a weak one!  Even some Middle healers which "spoil" her will run out of MP or the like due to not killing her fast enough through even limited healing...

CK: Well, hey, up to you, but for the BD jobs I doubt there's even any "straight slugfesters" that are simple enough.  Think voting FF9 based on in-game without a stat topic - lots of variables.  (You might think Vivi's a simple slugfester from in-game, but that'd miss his elemental absorption healing strategy, for example.  Or forget that Steiner has an ID backup plan, or which statuses exactly Zidane has to play with.)  Of course, I'm also biased because I haven't beaten the game yet.  That said, sure, I'll use Jo'ou's idea and just nom a boss.

See if you can pick out the subtle theme in some of these noms.

Godlike
Xorn (G3)
Gilbert (SH3)
Weisheit (WAXF)
Chairman Profiteur (BD)
Reverie (Trails)

Heavy
Samurai (FF5)
Yuffie (FF7)
Zeal (CT)
Kloe (Trails)
Caeda (FEs)

Middle
Lemina (L2)
Setzer (FF6)
Persian (PKMN)
Madchen (DQ5)
Lucia (LA)

Light
Anna (FEA)
Gobi (BoF1)
Mammon Machine (CT)
Amalthea (Trails)
Merchant (DQ3)

For the record, since no stat topic yet.  DL Profiteur is pretty simple - he skips Pay to Play's crit buffing (which he only casts on Khrim anyway) and loops Default -> Takeover x2 repeatedly.  And chat claims Normal Profiteur's Takeover is still 300 ITD (ignores target defense, ignores target Default!) damage.  PC HP is ~450, PC damage is ~100-150.  Profiteur's speed is about equal to Thief to my recollection, faster than Knight/WM/BM.  He had ~9000 HP on Hard, so maybe ~6000 HP on Normal?  He also has very solid support for the first half of the fight.  So yeah, even ignoring that his durability starts at some shade of awesome, it's even better than that thanks to Default, and he OHKOs most PCs on turn 2.  And still slugfests just fine vs. bosses.  If you wait until after the Temple of Wind to take him on, average HP might climb to ~500 or 550 or so?  He still has the OHKO but the overkill is less so tanks will start to survive it.

Also sadly Gil Snapper (Gilgame) looks too good for Godlike in the FF5 boss topic.  Alas.

EDIT: Tossed Edna for Gilbert, and DW2 Prince of Cannock for LA Lucia.  (probably equally obscure but screw DW2.)
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2014, 03:44:54 AM »
Average HP post-Temple of Wind (which I'd likely scale Profiteur against) borders on 600. He's an interesting case as far as methodic duellers go. He needs setup to do his good stuff, but he has the durability to make it fly and no amount of buffing will get you through. Weirdly, though, it rams into Ninja's Utsusemi, which makes it -possibly- spoilable by things such as Pamela's physical immunity.

Also, regarding Holly vs. Sara: Sara has double the damage and at least 50% more HP (for me, over double, even) -and- doesn't have the many status vulnerabilities sported by Holly (this is quite relevant, she's bait to crippling status like Charm, Sleep, Confuse and -Paralysis-. Albel, who loses to Sara pretty handily, would have a field day with Holly). Even without factoring Brave-blitzing at all, Holly sits at 1.6x PC HP by my scaling (and shouldn't go heavily above 2x PC HP. Maybe 2.5x after support credit, Barras and Holly's HP summed up rolls to roughly 3.6x PC HP). This going by Normal numbers, at least.

Edit: Also, Edna Capone in Godlike? I suppose (guess I'm just kneejerking against it due to her being initially a Heavy, but knowing her actual stats and her recharge shenanigans, she probably can fly there - I mean, she's not much different from Gilbert).
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2014, 12:24:42 AM »
I got Edna from scanning the old DL list, although she's a weak flavor fit (her brother might be greedy but not her?!).  But yeah, she ended in Godlike, although double-checking, she did lose the Heavy finals but upgrade anyway.  Maybe I'll swap her for someone else, once I think of someone better.

Normal Holly seems to have 6.7 PCHP unscaled or so from Pyro's numbers, and she doesn't get scaled down as much as usual for being in a "fair" 2v2 fight.  (But sure, scale her some for items / AI / etc.)  So even if she's given 3.4 PCHP and can heal every three turns or so, she ends up having *more* durability to chew through than Sara, albeit at the cost of some of her turns and with worse damage, but to the chagrin of those with limited resources.  (Suikoden mages hate her especially.)  That said, sure, if she has status defense issues (which there's absolutely no way to inflict with Freelancers & no Norende!), that puts her pretty definitely in Middle.  Should be fun.

FWIW, post Thief Cave & Wind Temple but pre-Yulyana as another data point, I'm L15 with Knight 608 / Thief w/ HP+10% 581 / WM 506 / BM ~500.

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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2014, 07:40:24 AM »
Godlike:

Kartikeya(Wild Arms 5)
Haken Browning (SRW:EF)
Satanial(Star Ocean 4)
Tetri (Mana Khemia 2)
Lucia(Suikoden II)
Charlton Blunt(WAXF)

Heavy:

Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope)
Ceodore(TAY)
Marica(STiekreis)
Nash Latjke(S3)
Nina(BOF4)
Alfina de Pamela (G3)

Middle:

Cerya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre)
Baofu(P2)
Chesnaught(Pokemon XY)
Ramza Beoulve(FFT)
Jessica D'Alkirk(L1)
Dalton(CT)

Light:
Reimi Saionji (SO4)
Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre)
Volk (ATL4) - maybe???
Frederick (Fire Emblem: Awakening)
Alfred Schrödinger(WA3)
Laguna Loire(FF8)
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2014, 06:24:13 AM »
Will be doing up the season a little less than a 24 hours from now.

Godlike

Saruin (Romancing SaGa)
Rorolina Frixnell (Atelier Rorona: The Alchemist of Arland)
Qada (Bravely Default)

Yuna (Final Fantasy X)
Yu Narukami (Persona 4)
Zophar (Lunar 2: Eternal Blue)

Heavy

Marumaro (Blue Dragon)
Aegislash (Pokémon)
Red Mage (Final Fantasy Dimensions)

Lang (Legaia 2: Duel Saga)
Sharon (Legaia 2: Duel Saga)
Edgar (Final Fantasy VI)

Middle

Vivillon (Pokémon)
Emizel (Disgaea 4: A Promise Unforgotten)
Sicily (Disgaea D2: A Brighter Darkness)

Chrom (Fire Emblem: Awakening)
Cordelia (Fire Emblem: Awakening)
Seraphita (Xenogears)

Light

Gourgeist (Pokémon)
Tinman (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)
Zangetsu (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years)

Soren (Fire Emblem Series)
Pierre (Chrono Cross)
Rinoa (Final Fantasy VIII)
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2014, 09:22:42 AM »
Godlike:

Tir McDohl (Suikodens)
Timelord (SaGa Frontier)
Belial (Wild ARMs 4)

Sanger Sonvolt (SRW OG2)
Kokabiel (SO4)
Adramelk (LFT)

Heavy:

Ramsus (piloting Haishao) (XG)
Demi (PS4)
Nel Zelpher (SO3)

Myuria Tionysus (SO4)
Malak Galthana (LFT)
Yuugi Hoshiguma (Labyrinth of Touhou)

Middle:

Agrias Oaks (FFT)
Yosuke Hanamura (P4)
Adray Lasbard (SO3)

Arumat P. Thanatos (SO4)
Alexei (Eternal Poison)
Seolla (SRW OG2)

Light:

Rufus Shinra (FF7)
Big Joe (Xenogears)
Jogurt (Shining Force)

Sanae Kochiya (Labyrinth of Touhou)
Levatte (Eternal Poison)
Baybull (SRW J)
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2014, 01:19:40 PM »
Unranked noms are italicized.

Godlike: Celes Chere (Final Fantasy VI), Profound Darkness (Phantasy Star IV), Mewtwo (Pokemon), Rooks (Arcana), Queklain (Laggy Fantasy Tactics), Reshiram (Pokemon Gen 5)
Heavy: Rauny Vinzalf (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen), Mario (Super Mario RPG), Balthier (Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions), Katie (Twitch Plays Pokemon Crystal)*, Sage (Dragon Warrior III), Catria (Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon)
Middle: Lightning Farron (Final Fantasy XIII), Aisha (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen), Yukiko Amagi (Persona 4), Cirno (Labyrinth of Touhou)**, Princess of Moonbrook (Dragon Warrior II), Charles Barkley (Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden: Chapter 1 of the Hoopz Barkley SaGa)
Light: Light Ball Pikachu (Pokemon RSE/FRLG/DPPt/HGSS), Palmer (Final Fantasy VII), Malak (Final Fantasy Tactics), Bird Jesus (Twitch Plays Pokemon Red)***, Emolga (Pokemon Gen 5), Jagen (Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon)

* This is GSC Dragonite with the following moveset: Outrage, Dragonbreath, Twister, Waterfall.  Damage averages are 72 for Outrage, 48 for Dragonbreath, 27 for Twister, and 43 for Waterfall.  Outrage locks the user into the move for either 2 or 3 turns at random, after which the user becomes confused.  If Outrage's duration is disrupted by full paralysis or the user hurting itself due to confusion, it ends immediately and the user is not confused; however, Sleep, Freeze, partial trapping and flinching pause but do not disrupt Outrage's duration.  Dragonbreath has a 30% chance to paralyze its target, Twister has a 20% chance to flinch its target, and Waterfall has no secondary effect in GSC.  Dragonite's stats are HP 166, Atk 154, Def 115, Spd 100, SpA 120, SpD 120 (taken from the RBY topic, with Special split out for GSC).

** Nommed in Middle based on the fact that against in-game averages, her paralysis' success rate is actually closer to 60%, not 100%.  If it were 100% she'd be an easy Heavy.

*** This is RBY Pidgeot with Sky Attack replacing Agility.  Sky Attack's not normally DL legal for Pidgeot, being taught by TM; YMMV, and I'll replace this nom with something else if it's too controversial.  Anyway, Sky Attack on Pidgeot's DL stats is 52 damage average after taking the charge turn into account (see Moltres' RBY entry for details).

EDIT: Addressing it here for everyone's perusal just in case, why I slotted WotL Balthier in Heavy and not Godlike, since SnowFire asked about it on IRC.  It's a fair question.  First and foremost, Meeple has him pegged as a high heavy in the stat topic, to the point of explicitly saying he "falls short of Godlike."  :P  But, I went ahead and looked up the numbers.  Taken against the FFTPSX averages which don't include him, Balthier:
  • Packs what is probably turn 2 Don't Move/Don't Act (63%) and turn 2 Charm on non-males only (67%)
  • Has a base chance varying between 53% and 63% to steal various equipment pieces from his opponent, reduced by evade, so probably turn 3 at best
  • With what is probably his best gear in the DL for general use (Ras Algethi/Crystal Shield/Thief Hat/Mirage Vest/Germinas Boots), hits for 0.636 PCHP with Barrage.  This setup gives him equivalent speed to Orlandu and is pretty unarguably DL legal for him.  He hs a setup that does significantly more raw damage, employing Rune Blade, Power Sleeve and Twist Headband, but he gives up 94 HP and 3 points of Speed to achieve this setup, which produces Barrages that hit for 0.866 PCHP instead.  I'm not convinced that this is a winning trade.
  • In short, he has comparable speed to (heavy-armored) Orlandu, but significantly worse everything else (Orlandu's damage in the heavy armor setup is 0.804 PCHP; with the Power Sleeve/Twist Headband, 1.034 PCHP.  Note, though, that Orlandu's durability in power sleeve + twist headband is only marginally worse than Balthier's in Mirage Vest/Thief Hat - if Balthier runs the Power Sleeve/Twist Headband, he gets very slightly better damage than heavy armor Orlandu without the ITE 100% equipment breaks or the draining, but he actually ends up with worse HP than Rafa, who is gameworst in the PSX topic.  If he's running thief hat and mirage vest, his HP more or less matches Worker 8's, i.e. 107.4%.

I dunno about you, but turn 2 crippling status + 2HKO damage with no other gimmicks off above average speed but more or less average durability screams heavy (if high heavy) to me.  If he's a godlike, he's a hell of a scrub there.

As for the question of ranked/not ranked, it's certainly a judgment call.  I don't see any strong reason that people who've only played the PSX version can't interpret him though; it's not like any of the relevant core FFT mechanics changed between the versions, so all you need to know is that the two odd gear pieces he has (Ras Algethi and Mirage Vest) are legal by being initial equips for him (and their stats are in the thread), and Barrage does 4 hits at 50% damage.  Nothing especially fancy.  Just my $0.02.

Also, it's the most easily used rankable Balthier we have (FF12:RW is swimming in interp issues).
« Last Edit: March 24, 2014, 07:21:03 PM by Reiska »

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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2014, 07:56:52 PM »
Unranked first, Ranked second

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Persephone (WA 5)- Not a lot of Godlike left in the unranked section
Jack (RS)- One of my all time faves (Okay, lots of unranked Godlikes if you count RH...)
Yuri (ToV)- Awesome PCs smash things to death with a side of status Mk 2
Elc (AtL 2)- Awesome PC who take thing the other way and play great defensive games
Shania (SH 3)- Fun, fun
Ryu 2- Will that speed sink him now?

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Baofu (Persona 2)- No Lightning plz
Reid (ToE)- Was having trouble coming up with Heavies, at least works for a well known unranked baseline
Kloe (TitS)- Is borderline, let's she how she plays in Heavy
Et (MK 2)- Can she get that speed game going?
Hect (G3)- Inspire me to post Hect notes
Millenia (G2)- Never needs a reason really

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Lita (Atelier Iris)- Turns!
Adell (Disgaea 2)- One of the two worthy noms from the game
Melphis (Lufia 3)- Sure
Tio (G2)- Inspire me to post G2 notes...oh wait, I finally did! Well...I guess she's still more than cool enough for a nom.
Nina (BoF 2)- Can she prove that she actually deserves Heavy? (Probably not)
Maria (SO 3)- Force me to finish the SO 3 topic (don't think this one will actually be needed for incentive, but since I have a semi decent grasp on her now, why not)

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RICHARD! (Jeanne D'Arc)- Prays for mages, although I see the HP curve as condensed compared to the topic
Levatte (Eternal Poison)- Well, maybe with that status Richard doesn't really want to draw this mage...maybe.
Tin Man (WoOz)- Sure, he basically gets in near everytime, but he's enjoyable and it's Light.
Tricia (SN)- Always a quirky inclusion
Ricardo (SH 3)- Borderline- But needs that to be proved on the field.
Spar (BoF 2)- Can new notes on tricks amount to anything? Was soooooooo tempted to nom Katt, but who knows how many actually allow that weapon drop.
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2014, 09:59:05 PM »
rar nomstealing

Godlike: Tetri (MK2), Gilbert (SH3), Zophar (L2), Fereydoon (WA5), Ellen (P1), Aya (PE)

1. Ciatos.
2. Dat nose
3. Eh.
4. Gives me an excuse to say rank Captain Bart
5. Sure.
6. Why not.

Heavy: Millenia (G2), Percival (S3), Edgar (FF6), Mikhail (RS3), Strawman (WoO), Marica (Tierkreis)

1. Sure.
2. Dat hair gel consumption
3. Why not.
4.
Quote from: Snow
he's pretty much the fabulous manspawn of a coke-induced one-night stand between Mesarthim and Mei-ling
5. Gnawbeast.
6. nomsteal

Middle: KAHN (BoF4), Ashton (SO2), Empoleon (PKMN), Liu (Tierkreis), Melphis (L3), Fullbright (RS3)

1. A man.
2. eh.
3. Mechapenguin.
4-6. rar nomstealing

Light: Pierre (CC), Euram Barows (S5), Ricardo (SH3), Saki (LA), RUSSEL (SRWOG), SANCHO (FM4)

1. Token CC scrub
2. Token Suikoscrub
3. Sure.
4. Why not.
5. RUSSEL.
6. Is mighty.



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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2014, 01:36:17 AM »
Godlike: Elc, Ryu2, Citan, Yuri Lowell, Link (Legend of Zelda, A link to the past) , Totooria Helmold.
1. Personal favorite.
2. In honor of him carrying a dungeon team to Floor 10.
3. In honor of NEB's replay of XG?
4. The law has always been a tool of the ones who hold all the chips.
5. This is me modestly trolling.
6. My name is Totooria Helmold. You killed my mother. Prepare to die.

Heavy: Lilka Eleniak, Alicia (VP2), Vyse, Marta Lualdi, Syrenne (The Last Story),  Umi (CSTW)
1. Personal  Favorite.
2. And again!
3. PIRATING TIME! [VC2 form hype!?]
4. Like Flonne is full of LOVE. Unlike Flonne, kicks ass.
5. Callista? Pshaw. We all know Syrenne was the best.
6. Cosmic Horror Wife.


Middle: Cecile (S3), Micaiah, Sarah (ShF2), Lita (Atelier Iris), Prier (La Pucelle), Jude Mathis (ToX)
1. MAIDEN OF WAR!
2. MAIDEN OF LIGHT!
3. MAIDEN OF Did-Not-Get-The-Boy!
4. MAIDEN OF MAD UPS!
5. MAIDEN OF DEMONS!
6. Maybe the others will teach him about Bazongas.

Light: Kain (FF4), Spar (BoF2), Geomancer (WAXF), Reimi (SO4), Randolph (Lufia 3), Beat (Eternal Sonata)
1-6: Offered without comment.
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2014, 01:53:48 AM »
Raquel is a Heavy/Godlike, not a Middle. Umi is probably Heavy as well?
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Re: Futurama 2014 Season 1: Noms!
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2014, 02:26:17 AM »
Umi is a certified Heavy and so is Raquel. Umi has gone to Futurama semis before and Raquel went to the Heavy finals at least once.

EDIT: Also, Qada, CK? That'll be a doozy.
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