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Frederick (FE13) vs Paula (EB)
Frederick vs Slime (SaGa)
Frederick vs Mogu (BoF1)
Frederick vs Shiho (VP1)
Frederick vs Mustadio (FFT)
Frederick vs Leon (SO2)
Frederick vs Mullen (G1)
Frederick vs Alenia (S5)
Frederick vs Healie (DQ4)
Frederick vs Rufus (FF7)
Frederick vs Mukumuku (S2)
Frederick vs Thief (FF5)

Spiritmaster (Bravely Default) vs Paula (EB)
Spiritmaster vs Slime (SaGa)
Spiritmaster vs Mogu (BoF1)
Spiritmaster vs Shiho (VP1)
Spiritmaster vs Mustadio (FFT)
Spiritmaster vs Leon (SO2)
Spiritmaster vs Mullen (G1)
Spiritmaster vs Alenia (S5)
Spiritmaster vs Healie (DQ4)
Spiritmaster vs Rufus (FF7)
Spiritmaster vs Mukumuku (S2)
Spiritmaster vs Thief (FF5)

Performer (Bravely Default) vs Paula (EB)
Performer vs Slime (SaGa)
Performer vs Mogu (BoF1)
Performer vs Shiho (VP1)
Performer vs Mustadio (FFT)
Performer vs Leon (SO2)
Performer vs Mullen (G1)
Performer vs Alenia (S5)
Performer vs Healie (DQ4)
Performer vs Rufus (FF7)
Performer vs Mukumuku (S2)
Performer vs Thief (FF5)
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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2014, 01:11:30 AM »
Frederick (FE13) vs Paula (EB) - I've seen you before.
Frederick vs Slime (SaGa) - Seems pretty straight-forward. Slime is so horrendously slow he may not even double Frederick, and a HP Drain doesn't entirely outpace even Fred's Brave Sword swings. Either a CTB double or a string of Lunas will likely tip this over for him.
Frederick vs Mogu (BoF1) - Mogu actually two-rounds Frederick (3HKOs and doubles), but triggers counters and goes last. Since Frederick 3HKOs Mogu himself, he just finishes the fight first.
Frederick vs Shiho (VP1) - Shiho loses the minute she has to heal, given how she takes longer to recharge the CT than Fred takes to kill her. So it goes.
Frederick vs Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) - EDIT: SF's right. I undersold Mustadio damage a bit, he actually -does- 6HKO Fred, which is an effective 3HKO. Also, guns -do- get affected by PDef UP, so I'm not sure I'd see them as ITD. Doubt it matters, though.
Frederick vs Leon S. Geeste (SO2) - Leon is -so bad-. He can't even double with anything that might give him a hope at outslugging Fred.
Frederick vs Mullen (G1) - I don't think you have any idea how low I see Mullen's HP. I don't care if it's a duel or not, if you're getting 2HKOed in-game by average damage, you deserve to get OHKOed by Suikoscrub physicals in the DL. (GRANTED, Frederick only 2HKOs Mullen, but goes first -anyway-. :lol:)
Frederick vs Alenia (S5) - Alenia 2HKOs Frederick! Unfortunately, Fred 2HKOs first at worst (OHKOs to me, but oh well) and Alenia's offense is MT.
Frederick vs Healie (DQ4) - Dear god.
Frederick vs Rufus Shinra (FF7) - Uh Rufus is a lot faster and arguably bypasses counters! Too bad he still four-rounds at best and Frederick 2HKOs him back.
Frederick vs Mukumuku (S2) - Okay, so Mukumuku might bypass counters and is certainly faster... but he also MISSES A TWO-ROUNDING on Fred. I don't think Frederick can say the same when Muku's 68% pdur on HP -alone- and has defense at least 50 points below S2's average. If Muku's attack isn't L-Ranged, then this gets butt ugly.
Frederick vs Thief (FF5) - WAIT Frederick can avoid WTD while still keeping Braves! Yeah, bye.

10-2. Uh, Frederick's kinda good for Puny, isn't he.

Spiritmaster (Bravely Default) vs Paula (EB) - Paula is faster and 10HKOs with her -physical-, no fancy shenanigans abound. Spiritmaster uh 29HKOs back. Assuming she doesn't spend a turn casting Spirit Ward. Um. Help.
Spiritmaster vs Slime (SaGa) - Were HP Drain actually elemental, maybe.
Spiritmaster vs Mogu (BoF1) - Mogu isn't even quite as frail as Paula, so he's not faring -any- worse - far on the contrary.
Spiritmaster vs Shiho (VP1) - 60. Hit. Knock-out. In. Offense.
Spiritmaster vs Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) - Spiritmaster is impressively bad even for Puny standards. Sheesh.
Spiritmaster vs Leon S. Geeste (SO2) - THIS IS WHERE SUPER HITS THE MOTHERLOAD HOLY SHIT. Anyhow, Spiritmaster pretty much forces Leon to rely on SO2 GROWTH-BUFFED BASIC MAGE PHYSICALS... and it utterly fails to matter because Spiritmaster can't even hope to outpace Leon's like 4% mHP regen (if I recall correctly, super mentioned Leon having that). Leon might well OUTDAMAGE Spiritmaster anyway because seriously, 60HKO physicals.
Spiritmaster vs Mullen (G1) - 60HKO physicals.
Spiritmaster vs Alenia (S5) - You don't lose to Spiritmaster as long as you have any sort of backup to elemental damage and more HP than VP1 Hrist. Euram Barows MIGHT win against her.
Spiritmaster vs Healie (DQ4) - The damage here is almost comparable! Then Healie casts Cure for the first time and Spiritmaster weeps herself to sleep.
Spiritmaster vs Rufus Shinra (FF7) - If ALENIA can beat Spiritmaster in a straight physical slugfest, so can Rufus.
Spiritmaster vs Mukumuku (S2) - And Mukumuku.
Spiritmaster vs Thief (FF5) - AND THIEF.

0-12. Dear lord, Spiritmaster is so HORRIBLE. 60HKO goes a long way to ensure you don't beat anyone ever.

Performer (Bravely Default) vs Paula (EB) - Performer would need uh at least eight turns to win this. Paula likely closes this off in -six- at most (assuming Performer buffs her MDef, which would uh raise the minimum amount of turns needed to win this to nine). This isn't working.
Performer vs Slime (SaGa) - Not even defaulting her ass for two straight Brave blitzes lets Performer really pressure Slime enough for this, does it. This is impressively horrible.
Performer vs Mogu (BoF1) - Mogu, the hero of Puny.
Performer vs Shiho (VP1) - Welp.
Performer vs Mustadio Bunanza (FFT) - Vastly outslugs.
Performer vs Leon S. Geeste (SO2) - 4% REGEN CLAIMS ANOTHER VICTIM.
Performer vs Mullen (G1) - If I allowed Default to lower damage, Performer -actually would win this- because it'd let her build the needed BP for two Brave-blitzes in a row, which is roughly enough to kill Mullen under my HP assumptions with a little room. Seeing Mullen as above 40% PC HP or not allowing the damage reduction hands this straight back to him, though. The passive buffing doesn't really raise her durability enough over time and trying to buff a defensive stat is kind of slowing her down too much: Mullen can hit both defense stats around equally, which screws her up a bit.
Performer vs Alenia (S5) - I think Key To Your Heart => Love Power => physical => Brave-blitz is baaaaaaaarely enough to handle Alenia to me (that's around 25% PC HP, which is roughly where I see her at), and the mdef buffing should be enough to lower Alenia to a 4HKO. Suikoden 5 sleep is a complete waste of time.
Performer vs Healie (DQ4) - This is similar to Spiritmaster vs. Healie, only Healie has to heal more often. The accumulated speed over time would apply some pressure, but when the most damage Performer can deal is 40% over two turns...
Performer vs Rufus Shinra (FF7) - Oh wow. Rufus 9HKOs Performer at base, so she can actually leisurely stack Love Rush, Got Your Back and Love Power, then Default x3 => physical x2 => Brave Blitzing. That's roughly ten turns and Rufus 14HKOs her at best... yeah. Holy crap.
Performer vs Mukumuku (S2) - Mukumuku's almost as fragile as Rufus, but he sports around double the damage with some degree of spikiness. Don't think Performer has as much time to muck around here.
Performer vs Thief (FF5) - Similar deal as Rufus, only Thief isn't nearly as fast... but sports almost double the durability. So, instead of four-rounding post-Default spam, Performer roughly -ten-rounds-, and that's not counting the time spent buffing. This isn't working out.

2-10. At least she's more interesting than Spiritmaster. That's still an impressively poor performance.
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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2014, 01:48:54 AM »
Frederick (FE13) vs Paula (EB) - Yep.
Frederick vs Slime (SaGa) - Pretty sure I see Slime as failing to double Fred.  Fred meanwhile looks at Slime's slash durability and laughs.
Frederick vs Mogu (BoF1)- Sure, burping Snow.
Frederick vs Shiho (VP1) - Not this time, Shiho.
Frederick vs Mustadio (FFT) - eh. e: sure Musty doing more damage than I remembered changes this.  Also guns are ITE, not ITD and it wouldn't matter anyways since Fred's defense is averagish (a hair below, actually) and he has no evasion so I'm not sure why this was brought up anyways.
Frederick vs Leon (SO2) - Leon you can't beat someone even the likes of Paula handles.  You are SHAMEFUL.
Frederick vs Mullen (G1) - I have an idea.  Probably because I see it in the same ballpark.
Frederick vs Alenia (S5) - Alenia of the dies in one turn ingame fame.
Frederick vs Healie (DQ4) - Healie of the nonexistant damage.
Frederick vs Rufus (FF7) - :rufus:
Frederick vs Mukumuku (S2) - I think the squirrels were M-ranged so yeah. e: okay so he's long ranged, regardless Mukumuku has no buisness taking this whatsoever, he fails to two-round under the lowest possible average and is getting 2HKO'd back.
Frederick vs Thief (FF5) - Yeah this isn't even remotely hard, Thief at best four-rounds and has to trigger counters with that.  Fred 3HKOs back.
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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 02:05:58 AM »
Fred is 63% average speed.  4.5 FEA speed is 14.5% average, so anyone with 78% average speed or better doubles Fred.  This is indescribaly epic.

Frederick vs Mogu (BoF1) Mogu DOES NOT DOUBLE.  BoF1 speed curve.jpg
Frederick vs Shiho (VP1) - critz hype?!
Frederick vs Mustadio (FFT) - The good news: Mustadio easily doubles his gunshots.  The bad news: They're ITD so they hit Fred's raw HP.  Musty 6HKOs, which is really a 3HKO...  can Fred 2HKO back with a Javelin counter tossed in?  Heck no, Mustadio has .89 PCHP, and if Fred hits all his attacks (he won't) he does like ~.70 PCHP back to that.  Sniped.  EDIT: Not ITD?  Weird, I thought guns ignored Defense UP.  Okay Musty gets slightly more damage then.  Same result.
Frederick vs Leon (SO2) - Fred's resistance is terrible, but so is Leon's damage, and Fred goes first.  HOW DOES FRED BEAT A MAGE
Frederick vs Mullen (G1) - I see Mullen as having some semblance of HP, and he's doubling (MULLEN SPEED HYPE?!).
Frederick vs Alenia (S5) - Alenia's best damage was MT, right?  Probably seals her fate here, if she could double with it she'd probably win, but going last gives Fred 2 attacks against her Alenia-tastic HP.
Frederick vs Healie (DQ4) - lol
Frederick vs Rufus (FF7) - Sure Rufus has like a 9HKO, but he's getting doubles left & right, and I see his HP as fine.
Frederick vs Mukumuku (S2) - Didn't Elf claim Mukumuku is a long-range Squirrel bomber?  EDIT: But Muku is worse than I thought, sure.
Frederick vs Thief (FF5) - Fred is doubled but counters.  Thief doesn't count as long-ranged right?

Fun fact: I believe Spiritmaster outputs 2.13 PCHP of damage before running out of MP with looping Sprit Ward -> 3x Attack vs. the purely elemental reliant.  That's not so bad...?  Of course in an actual fight he has a 60HKO.  He just barely rushes out Ziegfried (FF6) of the .05 PCHP, for example.

Spiritmaster vs Mogu (BoF1)
Spiritmaster vs Shiho (VP1)
Spiritmaster vs Mustadio (FFT)
Spiritmaster vs Leon (SO2) - MAGE PHYSICAL HYPE
Spiritmaster vs Mullen (G1)
Spiritmaster vs Alenia (S5) - I don't care how bad Alenia's physical is, it's good enough for this.  She runs the most risk of being uh "blitzed" of any of the cast here, though!  Good for her that I see her as more ~.40 PCHP rather than the ~.20 PCHP that some do.  (for all that .20 PCHP may STILL WIN, but then that'd require thinking about her own non-elemental damage.  Also she'd break out her 20% Sleep odds since Spiritmaster can't really afford to block it.)
Spiritmaster vs Healie (DQ4) - Healie wins a slugfest, yes.
Spiritmaster vs Rufus (FF7) - shotgun'd
Spiritmaster vs Mukumuku (S2)
Spiritmaster vs Thief (FF5)

Spiritmaster slugging is on another tier of Puny.  He needs to go up against the Puny Cup loser's bracket to have interesting slugfests when the elemental nulling doesn't work, pretty much.


Performer, post buffs, deals .038 PCHP in damage, a 27HKO to average.  She also can go to 1.45 physical durability post her def buff, or somewhere around 1.44 magical durability, if she goes first.  That isn't good enough unless her opponent is horrendously frail.

Performer vs Mogu (BoF1) - Not anywhere near frail enough.
Performer vs Shiho (VP1)
Performer vs Mustadio (FFT) Gunshots are ITD, SPOILED.  EDIT: Or not.  Musty will just have to outslug with his comparatively mighty gunshots.
Performer vs Leon (SO2) - Tankeon.
Performer vs Mullen (G1)
Performer vs Alenia (S5) - See Spiritmaster.  Performer like 10-11HKOs here, and has a Brave Blitz, and with speed buffing is much faster!  ...and it doesn't matter.
Performer vs Healie (DQ4) - oh god this is close isn't it.  Healie manages to have worse damage than Performer, and post-buffs Performer is tankier.  Could be convinced by math if someone has better Healie stats but leaning this way.  EDIT: super you have better Healie durability stats?  If Healie has north of .50 PCHP then he probably does have this after all since the fear of the dreaded uh "blitz" goes away then.  But I allow Default damage reduction which means Healie damage is just beyond terrible here and he needs to heal early to ward off Brave Blitzes.
Performer vs Rufus (FF7)
Performer vs Mukumuku (S2)
Performer vs Thief (FF5) - Thief 15HKOs if the buffs could be set up immediately, so more like 13HKOs, and gets like 23HKOed back.  No.  Although Default actually does make this semi-close as Thief will effectively 20HKO or so.  Still not enough!

Performer is mildly better than Spiritmaster, at least!  She probably needs an even more epic tier too, though.
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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 02:09:47 AM »
All the squirrels are L-range.

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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2014, 03:11:07 AM »
Performer vs Healie (DQ4)- Has healing. Performer's brave blitzing isn't enough to threaten here, I'd think.

E: Good lord am I tempted to allow spiritmaster white magic. SM gets a ton of unique bonuses from white magic and the current DL translation is bad boring on offensive.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2014, 08:33:35 PM »
Spiritmaster's DL transition is nine kinds of depressing. It's such a successful synergistic job design in-game (unlike Arcanist in practice, whose Black Magic synergy niches kick in -just- as the emphasis on randoms completely disappears in the game), yet it's one of the worst duellers to ever grace the DL.
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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2014, 12:01:21 AM »
Frederick (FE13) vs Paula (EB)
Frederick vs Slime (SaGa)
Frederick vs Mogu (BoF1)
Frederick vs Shiho (VP1)
Frederick vs Mustadio (FFT)
Frederick vs Leon (SO2)
Frederick vs Mullen (G1)
Frederick vs Alenia (S5)
Frederick vs Healie (DQ4)
Frederick vs Rufus (FF7)
Frederick vs Mukumuku (S2)
Frederick vs Thief (FF5)

Spiritmaster (Bravely Default) vs Paula (EB)
Spiritmaster vs Slime (SaGa)
Spiritmaster vs Mogu (BoF1)
Spiritmaster vs Shiho (VP1)
Spiritmaster vs Mustadio (FFT)
Spiritmaster vs Leon (SO2)
Spiritmaster vs Mullen (G1)
Spiritmaster vs Alenia (S5)
Spiritmaster vs Healie (DQ4)
Spiritmaster vs Rufus (FF7)
Spiritmaster vs Mukumuku (S2)
Spiritmaster vs Thief (FF5)

Performer (Bravely Default) vs Paula (EB)
Performer vs Slime (SaGa)
Performer vs Mogu (BoF1)
Performer vs Shiho (VP1)
Performer vs Mustadio (FFT)
Performer vs Leon (SO2)
Performer vs Mullen (G1)
Performer vs Alenia (S5)
Performer vs Healie (DQ4)
Performer vs Rufus (FF7)
Performer vs Mukumuku (S2)
Performer vs Thief (FF5)
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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2014, 04:52:49 AM »
Personally tempted to allow Spiritmaster access to some of the itemcast rods or staves.

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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2014, 07:41:29 AM »
The only one which strikes me as both useful and legal is the Staff of Life, which itemcasts Cure. This isn't great but hey, certainly a dramatic improvement on Spiritmaster's current build. You can argue he has a semi-unique claim to it because of Holy One, too (assuming Holy One affects itemcast white magic too?).

Except that Holy One lowers physical damage so :lol: I don't think Spiritmaster breaks defence with that. So yeah, non-Holy One version instead which... uh already reduces Spiritmaster damage to like a quarter if my math is right. -_- Come on, Spiritmaster.

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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2014, 02:16:13 PM »
There is the Blessed Shield, which Itemcasts Cura, but I don't think Holy One affects that... sorry!

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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2014, 09:59:37 PM »
Isn't Blessed Shield post-Bloody Shield in Norende, though?
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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2014, 05:13:14 AM »
Yeah, level after. It's also not an especially unique claim. I'd rather just allow spiritmaster white magic myself.
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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2014, 12:28:23 AM »
Frederick vs Slime (SaGa): This would be very close if Frederick didn't get periodic doubleturns. As is he should wear Slime down.
Frederick vs Mogu (BoF1): 3HKOs first.
Frederick vs Shiho (VP1): 4HKOing is the magic number, he pulls it off.
Frederick vs Mustadio (FFT): Faster, should three-round while not being two-rounded back (even with an opening Javelin counter).
Frederick vs Leon (SO2): I'm not buying Gremlin Lair being so slow that it fails to double -12 FE speed. EDIT: But GT moves fail to double anyway.
Frederick vs Mullen (G1): Hahaha.
Frederick vs Alenia (S5): Alenia has some evade but probably not enough to stop Fred from two-rounding.
Frederick vs Healie (DQ4): Yeah no.
Frederick vs Rufus (FF7): Rufus 4-rounds, Fred shouldn't need more than 3.
Frederick vs Mukumuku (S2): Muku should have a two-rounding here, as he doubles and will certainly get one critical (x3) against Fred's terrible luck (his base crit is untested but is probably at least 10%). Heck that kills people with average pdur.
Frederick vs Thief (FF5): Thief is faster and 4HKOs1 Too bad he is melee or he would win this.

Spiritmaster vs Slime (SaGa): So to beat Spiritmaster you have to beat him in ~60 turns, okay. And have non-elemental damage. Which Slime does.
Spiritmaster vs Mogu (BoF1): Okay.
Spiritmaster vs Shiho (VP1): All you need to know about Spiritmaster: Shiho has over twice as much damage.
Spiritmaster vs Mustadio (FFT): Hopeless.
Spiritmaster vs Leon (SO2): Oh look another mage! ... who is also non-elemental.
Spiritmaster vs Mullen (G1): So even if Mullen had no damage that 300 HP healing would be a huge problem, this is a thing.
Spiritmaster vs Alenia (S5): Alenia should take this if she averages even 15-20 damage with her physical. That... is kinda close but yeah she probably does. Only match Spiritmaster is even close to winning.
Spiritmaster vs Healie (DQ4): Nope.
Spiritmaster vs Rufus (FF7): Nein.
Spiritmaster vs Mukumuku (S2): Iie.
Spiritmaster vs Thief (FF5): I think not.

Performer vs Slime (SaGa): That draining is just the worst.
Performer vs Mogu (BoF1): Hooray for Snowfire running numbers so I don't even have to think about this match.
Performer vs Shiho (VP1): Grinds performer down.
Performer vs Mustadio (FFT): Outslugs.
Performer vs Leon (SO2): And again.
Performer vs Mullen (G1): Performer can win this in like 8 attacking turns to me! Still not enough. See Snow I guess, she might take this if I allowed Default.
Performer vs Alenia (S5): Yeah no, Alenia's not nearly frail enough to lose this for me. You need at least average damage to one-shot her!
Performer vs Healie (DQ4): Depends a lot on exactly what Healie's damage is. Performer needs to run Healie out of healing, which will take a while since he has 15 shots, is much faster, and needs to be ~10 times before needing to heal. Yeah I can't imagine Healie fails to 100HKO to me.
Performer vs Rufus (FF7): More outslugging.
Performer vs Mukumuku (S2): Yep.
Performer vs Thief (FF5): Yep.

Frederick 9-2. Fred only qualifies as Puny if the opponent has ranged singletarget damage. Against GT/MT or melee, he's merely a bad Light (note how it costs Mogu and THIEF and LEON).
Spiritmaster 0-11. Absolutely awful.
Performer 0-11. Notably better than Spiritmaster. It says much that it isn't by enough to actually get a single win in this field.
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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2014, 02:57:42 PM »
Frederick vs Leon (SO2): I'm not buying Gremlin Lair being so slow that it fails to double -12 FE speed.

Gremlin Lair isn't ST. I agree with you otherwise, the problem Leon has is that almost all of his relevant damage is GT/MT.
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Re: Proving Grounds preview: It's puny time! WARNING- Paula matches.
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2014, 08:54:17 PM »
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Pathetic.

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