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Re: Thoughts on gamergate
« Reply #300 on: March 07, 2015, 04:02:13 PM »
nice.
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« Reply #301 on: March 09, 2015, 07:18:08 AM »
So...I am now the second curator for the Ghazi timeline

http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/wiki/timeline

Let me know if you have any suggestions.  We're trying to

1. Try to reduce bloat; don't comment on stuff that's just petty drama
2. When stuff does cause a big blowup, report the event that caused the reaction in a Wikipedia-style neutral tone, just describing events with sources.

It still needs work, and it's missing some events, and probably includes some events it shouldn't.  But it's still a pretty good timeline.

EDIT--another one of those "gamergate in a nutshell" screenshots:

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/525330622873477120
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« Reply #302 on: March 13, 2015, 10:24:30 PM »
Rocky: you do know what an A-bomb is, right?
Bullwinkle: A-bomb is what some people call our show!
Rocky: I don't think that's very funny...
Bullwinkle: Neither do they, apparently!

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Re: Thoughts on gamergate
« Reply #303 on: March 14, 2015, 05:09:44 PM »
The sequel to """Fifteen Thousand Dollars""" is here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGbnAJR-vZA&feature=youtu.be

The original if you haven't seen it yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdIHK8O5yo

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Re: Thoughts on gamergate
« Reply #304 on: March 15, 2015, 12:23:44 AM »
the best part is the movie about people fighting in suits and fedoras and pocket squares

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Re: Thoughts on gamergate
« Reply #305 on: March 23, 2015, 12:41:31 AM »
Richard Dawkins is starting to join the fray. I was thinking it was a matter of time until his retrograde opinions came into alignment with GG's.

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins

Oh aren't you clever:

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/482781472961859584


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« Reply #306 on: March 23, 2015, 12:57:32 AM »
Dawkins references Shakespeare.  Followers say "not even Tolkien"...   Aahhhhhhhhh I know I have been in discussion on the value of having canon texts before but even if you don't agree with it you have to realise that the hierarchy there does not stand Tolkien above Shakespeare.

This is of course patently ignoring the parts where Tolkien books are literally about absolute good and evil and how there is always going to be a bit of wiggle room form problems coming up in that kind of text.  Especially when on the page you have all the good guys being white and explicitly mentioning the only black people as evil.

"Not even Tolkien", fucking ridiculous.
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« Reply #307 on: March 23, 2015, 03:58:14 AM »
You know, I did not believe it was possible for my opinion of Richard Dawkins to get any lower.  Live and learn!
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« Reply #308 on: March 23, 2015, 04:43:19 AM »
Every time I hear one of his opinions I think less of him. He is really active on social media so he isn't shy about talking about his opinions.

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« Reply #309 on: March 23, 2015, 10:06:08 PM »
Bloodborne is starting to join the fray.


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« Reply #310 on: March 24, 2015, 03:44:29 AM »
Huh, I was going to post about how it isn't really the right era, with them being invented in late 1880s (as per Wiki) and I picture Victorean period being a bit earlier than that.  But I was also going to say that Bloodborne imagery really screams The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mister Hyde which also came out in mid 1880s, so I guess it is bang on the nose in ways I don't expect (As is usual for Miyazaki).

That said I don't know if it is shots fired or just accurate period piece or not.
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« Reply #311 on: March 24, 2015, 11:37:24 AM »
Actually I wad just making a dumb joke.
I am pretty sure this is just "you guys like fedoras right. Enjoy your stupid preorder bonus" and unrelated to GG


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Re: Thoughts on gamergate
« Reply #313 on: May 02, 2015, 04:09:38 PM »
that...is special.
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Re: Thoughts on gamergate
« Reply #314 on: May 03, 2015, 10:06:57 PM »
Looks like Ghazi doesn't allow the "I'm leaving GG" or "this person left GG" posts anymore (probably because it paints a target on them, I would guess?)  But this is a pretty good one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nb_Nkgyb2Y

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Re: Thoughts on gamergate
« Reply #315 on: May 09, 2015, 05:00:22 AM »
This is more just humor, but...

moderate GGer: "Gamergate is about ethics, not SJWs."
Milo Y: "Shut up fool, it's about SJWs."

https://twitter.com/2dAmMuslim/status/596083257470484481
https://archive.is/ASdX7

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Re: Thoughts on gamergate
« Reply #316 on: June 26, 2015, 06:39:43 AM »
So apparently gamergate is appropriating the confederate flag (but making it purple and green; gotta get that rape reference in there too!)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIZv2MfVEAE1hvf.png

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« Reply #317 on: June 26, 2015, 08:57:38 AM »
How is purple and green a rape reference? Hadn't heard that one before.

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« Reply #318 on: June 26, 2015, 01:28:29 PM »
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« Reply #319 on: June 29, 2015, 08:25:47 PM »
While it probably started that way, at this point, given how they speak in 90% cliched war movie dialogue, I'd be surprised if it hasn't just morphed from 'veiled rape reference' to 'these are our colours'.  Quite frankly, what they're up to on any given day is horrid enough, there's no need to bring in ancient history that's probably not connected to why it's done anymore.

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« Reply #320 on: June 29, 2015, 08:54:09 PM »
It is definitely that yes.  This is exactly what people talk about when they say they "double down" on things.  Nope nothing wrong with anything ever done here in fact, fuck you for ever implying it!
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« Reply #321 on: June 30, 2015, 12:24:45 AM »
Also, since this is just a side show (most Gators these days seem to be more into the right for folks to shame fat people or that taking down the Stars and Bars is censorship), but figure I'll post this here.

Sealions of Wikipedia.  It's a place where the antics of the Gators trying to change the Wikipedia article to something of their choosing are pointed out and mocked.

In addition, while it's not filled with the usual awfulness one associates with Gators, it does come with some brain bleach.  Most posts contain a clip of actual sealion antics which are adorable as opposed to horrifying.
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« Reply #322 on: December 09, 2015, 06:50:30 PM »
Art critics of other mediums don't need to respect games for them to be art.  All the people actually consuming games don't even need to respect games for them to be art.  Games will be taken seriously as art by the people that they matter to in that way.  That population will grow as the medium ages if it continues to flourish.  All that it should take for it to matter is that YOU respect games on their own merits as a piece of art.  They sometimes are compromised art.  They are sometimes failures as art.  Sometimes they might not even be art and be a completely consumer based product.  I personally am certainly not going to let a bunch of regressive artistic conservatives ever hold me back from consuming the weirdest fucking games I can get my hands on to see what new things someone is trying.  Of course people that want games to stay the same as they were 10 years ago decry anything different as not art.  The Avant Garde is always where art is going and there is always people that will decry it as "Not Art".

I know I'm posting in an old thread. I'll cut out my re:feminismstillrelevant re:sexismsickandtiredofbeingtiredandnotsurprised re:insidiousgamerculture re:internetandaffect responses. And in the typical pitiful manner of being in graduate school, I learned about GG in Adrianne Shaw's Gaming at the Edge: Sexuality and Gender at the Margins of Gaming Culture text. Sigh. I'll leave re:GG out as well, because I am still quite ambivalent about the appropriation of "social justice" for commodities. But I want to respond to you, Grefter.

I have a huge philosophical issue with the identity of things, and am not concerned with qualifying x in an either-or-binary. What's happened, however, is that there are scholars, critics and writers in academia. They're attempting to expand the identity of "art" as transcending traditional fine art mediums. Art History is a classed field of resources and has been slow to respond. After The Art of Video Games exhibition, meaning museums sanctioned the material, now academes are grasping for ways to engage . The field of Visual Culture developed in response to Art History's tried and true ways in the late 90s, and now people are looking at things "visual" as historical documents with a greater lens. Ivory Tower vanguards are now incorporating.

The author is absolutely correct when they said "Photography" was not Art until the 60s, and honestly, it's more an 80s situation in the United States. It does not matter if the technology, device or style existed for thousands of years. What matters is that the art-not-Art difference has continued without much disturbance by elite consumer group who finds value in collectibility, shareability and profit. You could not profit from video games as Art until video games hit the mainstream and people began searching for some teleological history of Greats (something "avant-garde discourse" perpetuates as well). I don't agree with high/low culture differences, but capital-a Art is still a prime commodity of classed tastes, and our cultural industries are not doing enough to quit pretending some reified idea of Art is for all.

I'm disturbed by the co-optation of video games in the museum and art spheres, especially since it's pushing a good moment of gaming into a Historicaltrash.bin. You don't have to be a painter to appreciate a painting, you don't have to be a gamer to appreciate gaming, but the experience of being a "User" definitely helps intensify the understanding of craft. What's great and relief to me, however, is that I have yet to see a widespread response of the gaming industry as catering to the cultural institution of Art. That's cool.
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Re: Thoughts on gamergate
« Reply #323 on: December 09, 2015, 08:13:34 PM »
Ugggh I had started a response and my browser ate it.  I will get back to it in a bit.

Suffice to say, I was thinking of you when I posted it and knew I would get parts of it wrong.  Thank you and want to keep chatting about it!
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« Reply #324 on: December 12, 2015, 08:23:39 PM »
new hbomberguy video, this time covering "Cultural Marxism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYQo6LI3Y7c&feature=youtu.be&a