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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2015, 11:07:37 PM »
Yeah. He'll somehow be the protagonist, the final boss and Mata Hari all at once.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2015, 11:25:19 PM »
The fact that the Catholic Church opposes Birth Control isn't really news, they've opposed it since the 70s.

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I wonder, why haven't more people sued Fox for spreading BS? Is this really hard under US law?

Yes.  Before NotMiki beats me to the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan

This is probably good because it avoids MSNBC getting sued for claiming global warming is real, etc.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2015, 11:53:37 PM »
The fact that the Catholic Church opposes Birth Control isn't really news, they've opposed it since the 70s.
Definitely, but there was no ridiculous nazi comparisons coming from the pope (who's supposed to be a little reasonable) before. This is not a 12 years old posting on Gamefaqs, this is the pope.

Can't believe his rabbit quote is catching on in the news instead of this.

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I wonder, why haven't more people sued Fox for spreading BS? Is this really hard under US law?

Yes.  Before NotMiki beats me to the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan

This is probably good because it avoids MSNBC getting sued for claiming global warming is real, etc.

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I'm not sure it's really good but w/e. This and global warming feel like something different alltogether. There's a scientific consensus about global warming being real, while Fox is saying plain wrong things any fact checking department would notice.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2015, 12:12:05 AM »
I'm not sure it's really good but w/e. This and global warming feel like something different alltogether. There's a scientific consensus about global warming being real

Lol. You say that like it affects how people in power in the US behave.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2015, 03:40:19 AM »
Every other AC game goes pretty well, so there's a 50/50 chance.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2015, 04:35:07 PM »
http://io9.com/80-of-americans-support-mandatory-labels-on-foods-cont-1680277802

80% of people polled want mandatory DNA labels on foods.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2015, 04:43:49 PM »
Setting aside the basic biology fail (if your food doesn't have ANY DNA, why the fuck are you eating it that means it isn't alive), people get pretty dumb about this shit in general.

There are absolutely good and valid reasons to require certain types of genetically modified food to be labelled.  For starters, modern frequency of food allergies being what they are, you do need to know if, oh, your rice has carrot genes in there so it's got vitamin a (real thing they did in china to combat, uh, rural blindness).  But just because something is nominally a GMO doesn't make it dangerous.  The definition of the term is sufficiently broad that 100% of living cows are actually GMOs.  Selective breeding going predating recorded history baby.  The way people get worked up about them in general is amazingly ignorant.

Though god knows I've been tempted to go to protests against Monsanto.  Those fucks are supervillains.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2015, 08:41:38 PM »
The discussion re: the framing of the question that comes up is quite interesting, as are the linked articles.

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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2015, 08:46:42 PM »
Fenrir: But people who say 99.98% the right thing will get jumped on for the 0.02% that's wrong, and the party in power - which won't always be Democrats - will totally jump on them for that if allowed.

There was a really stupid media hubbub in conservative web circles about Neil DeGrasse Tyson a few months back.  Apparently he mis-remembered / misquoted George W. Bush on something.  Somehow the fact that the liberal media wasn't blaring TYSON BIG BLACK LIAR showed the LIBRUL COVERUP at work.  The fact this happened a few weeks after Tyson made some comments on global warming, and the magazine hyping this the most is well-known for attacking anyone who dares suggest global warming is real, is obviously a coincidence.  The general point is that they would say Tyson said something "plain wrong that any fact-checking would notice."

Luther Lansfeld: The study for that was pretty crap.  There are all sorts of tricks if you want to *intentionally* get a stupid result on a study, I think they lined up marking DNA in the middle of a bunch of other things you were expected to mindlessly click yes to on an Internet survey with no consequences.  This isn't well-known for getting careful, analytic thought out of people, but rather quick gut "move along" answers.

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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2015, 09:54:44 PM »
The discussion re: the framing of the question that comes up is quite interesting, as are the linked articles.

I think, as much as anything, that the point of the survey is that, yes, you can get people to approve of a lot of things if you make it sound reasonable, so citing a poll of the public as an argument for something that they don't know much about (scary-sounding science words and the like) isn't really a very sound tactic, even if it's appealing. If this were a real poll trying to advocate for real policy, we should take it with a grain of salt.

(I debated whether to post this here or in Misc. Links but since I twitched when I read it I just decided to put it here. >_>)
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2015, 10:35:18 PM »
The discussion re: the framing of the question that comes up is quite interesting, as are the linked articles.

I think, as much as anything, that the point of the survey is that, yes, you can get people to approve of a lot of things if you make it sound reasonable, so citing a poll of the public as an argument for something that they don't know much about (scary-sounding science words and the like) isn't really a very sound tactic, even if it's appealing. If this were a real poll trying to advocate for real policy, we should take it with a grain of salt.

(I debated whether to post this here or in Misc. Links but since I twitched when I read it I just decided to put it here. >_>)

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2015, 10:43:29 PM »
The optimistic part of my brain already tried to push that thought out of my head earlier today. <_<
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2015, 07:12:51 AM »
I want all my fucking food to be superfood.  I want to replace all the genes in my body I don't like with genes I do, and I want all the body parts I don't like replaced with cyborg parts that give me godlike powers.  Fuck all of you who aren't with this, you'll be the peasantry that toils in caves to support superior people like me.  I'm going to be a golden god.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2015, 08:01:54 AM »
I want all my fucking food to be superfood.  I want to replace all the genes in my body I don't like with genes I do, and I want all the body parts I don't like replaced with cyborg parts that give me godlike powers.  Fuck all of you who aren't with this, you'll be the peasantry that toils in caves to support superior people like me.  I'm going to be a golden god.

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« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2015, 03:06:34 PM »
I want all my fucking food to be superfood.  I want to replace all the genes in my body I don't like with genes I do, and I want all the body parts I don't like replaced with cyborg parts that give me godlike powers.  Fuck all of you who aren't with this, you'll be the peasantry that toils in caves to support superior people like me.  I'm going to be a golden god.

Maaaaaybe he shid lay off tha dayiss ecks.
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2015, 07:46:19 PM »
I want all my fucking food to be superfood.  I want to replace all the genes in my body I don't like with genes I do, and I want all the body parts I don't like replaced with cyborg parts that give me godlike powers.  Fuck all of you who aren't with this, you'll be the peasantry that toils in caves to support superior people like me.  I'm going to be a golden god.

He asked for this.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2015, 01:38:59 AM »
I mean let's be clear, the line of dialogues where Adam Jensen is all whiny about being a superpowered cyborg are pretty asinine.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2015, 04:30:18 AM »
It saved his life and enabled him to hunt down and murder everyone who did this to him.  If they wanted him to be uncomfortable he probably should have been racist against augs in the first scene.

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2015, 07:37:03 AM »
Fortunately it's pretty easy to make him not be a whiny baby. The magic of dialogue-tree games.

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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2015, 01:03:07 AM »
Rocky: you do know what an A-bomb is, right?
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Rocky: I don't think that's very funny...
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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2015, 08:03:31 PM »
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/01/27/counter-strike-global-offensive-match-fixing/#more-265889

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Re: Idiot of the Day 2015: More stupid than stupid.
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2015, 05:29:56 AM »
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/not-a-very-pc-thing-to-say.html

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« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2015, 03:10:43 PM »
Chait has been getting a lot of shit from mainstream liberals of the non-caricature variety (your Slates and TPMs and what have you) over writing this.  Can't say I blame them.  Examples of actual intimidation and violence aside, he seems to fall into the idea that free speech means putting up with bullshit.  Oh how dare those college protesters influence their school to disinvite Bill Maher as a speaker.  How dare they!  Boo hoo!  Those protesters and their words!  They should have let him show up and gladhand the president of the school and get his honorary degree and give the administration a nice photo op to show the donors and oh yeah fart out some bullshit 15 minute monologue about how great he is.  How dare they use the occasion of his invitation as a springboard to express their values.  How dare they accomplish their objective using the power of speech!

Free speech is the right to say what you want to say and not get thrown in jail for it.  That's it.  If your newspaper editor fires you because he thinks you're an asshole, tough shit.  Maybe you should have done a bit better at office politicking.  A column isn't a license to say whatever you feel like and not be criticized for it.  Go start a blog.

p.s. Not disputing your point.  That person is a moron.
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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2015, 07:25:43 PM »
Chait has been getting a lot of shit from mainstream liberals of the non-caricature variety (your Slates and TPMs and what have you) over writing this.  Can't say I blame them.  Examples of actual intimidation and violence aside, he seems to fall into the idea that free speech means putting up with bullshit.

Sure, and when there is *actual* bullshit afoot, fine.  However, the point is that members of the far-left are attacking people for *non-bullshit* on specious reasoning, and defense of yourself / defending others is only seen as further evidence of your culpability, like in bad Mafia games.  As someone who also supports their aims (usually), there can be no more counterproductive stance to take, and it's important to fight back.  Merely because somebody CLAIMS that Stephen Colbert making a joke (at the Redskins expense, a deserving target!) means he's racist against Asians doesn't mean it's true, as anyone with half a brain could tell by watching the clip.  However, there are definitely people who assume that because 1 person got offended = whoever said something first MUST have been wrong. 

For another example not from Chait's article, there was a conference for women computer scientists a few months back.  Great.  Lack of women in CS is as usual a major concern, and there's a lot to be done to improve the gender balance there.  However, there are a lot of ideas on how to do it.  Anyway, there was a panel for "male allies" or the like with a bunch of important CS executives, but somehow somebody said the wrong thing and someone got offended, so it was shouted down as an example of "mansplaining" and the participants were forced to sit through a "listening session" where they merely heard complaints from women in computer science rather than try to give advice.  Now, I don't know what exactly was said.  It's possible it was totally worthless corporate blather.  But this is still a bad precedent, since even if they had "wrong" advice, the correct thing is to argue against that line of thought, rather than decree the person bad for even giving it.  These are executives who voluntarily came to your conference to support it; they are probably not the enemy!  Why the circular firing squad?!  This is a great way to discourage broaching any ideas that don't already have 100% consensus behind them, or that aren't meaningless feel-good nonsense.  Bah, depressing.  (Of course, I'm sure the answer from some would be "well if they were offended, then we don't want their help anyway."  Lovely.)

Of course, to some degree, this is nothing new, the far-left has always inherently been incredibly self-destructive and spends most of its time fighting itself since the 1960s, but it's worth calling it out occasionally.  (It'd be nice if they weren't, but as an alternative fantasy, I wished the far-right turned their looniness similarly inward - like, crazed arguments over whether the UN's black helicopters coming to take away our guns will have Chinese pilots or Vietnamese pilots, and the other side is clearly freedom-hating for daring question the obvious truth that it's Chinese pilots.)