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Ghaleon>Orgulla
Yuna>Zophar
Alternis 6, Melc Crystals 5 (tiebreak)
Ryu3>Lady

Chris>Celes
Ryu2 6, Killer 3
Jowy>Black Mage
Shania>Raquel

Rune>Marle
Rei>Yosuke
Demi>Fujin
Sharon>Elly

Ulrika>Tear
Lilina>Gafgarion
Flay>Raynie
Nowi>Virion

Doll>Alfred
Onix>Alenia
Liz>Paula
Nina>Guard Scorpion



Godlike:

Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Yuna (FFX)
Alternis Dim (BD) vs Ryu (BoF3)


High Heavy:

Chris Lightfellow (S3) vs Ryu (BoF2)
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Shania (SH3)


Low Heavy

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs Rei (BoF3)
Demi (PS4) vs Sharon (LoL2)


Middle:

Ulrika Mulberry (MK2) vs Lilina (FE6)
Flay Gunnar (MK1) vs Nowi (FE13)


Ooooh Elfboy!

Doll (SaGa) vs Onix (PKMN)
Liz (WA2) vs Nina (BoF3)
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2015, 11:53:29 PM »
Godlike:

Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Yuna (FFX)
Alternis Dim (BD) vs Ryu (BoF3)- Donno.


High Heavy:

Chris Lightfellow (S3) vs Ryu (BoF2)- Unless Gdragon isn't silenceable. I don't think Ryu can outslug Chris offhand? I suppose he has a shot but eh.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Shania (SH3)- Barring her best damage being darkness elemental.


Low Heavy

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs Rei (BoF3)- OHKO, not 2HKOed? sure.
Demi (PS4) vs Sharon (LoL2)- Strong kneejerk.


Ooooh Elfboy!

Doll (SaGa) vsOnix (PKMN) E- No bind in Gen 3.
Liz (WA2) vs Nina (BoF3)- Eh, why not?
« Last Edit: May 04, 2015, 05:33:46 PM by superaielman »
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2015, 12:46:47 AM »
Godlike:

Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Yuna (FFX) - I generally subscribe to the "factor three people against Aeons since they take three people's slots" idea but I don't even know if that matters.
Alternis Dim (BD) vs Ryu (BoF3)


High Heavy:

Chris Lightfellow (S3) vs Ryu (BoF2) - Uhh... wow. I have no idea.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Shania (SH3) - Surely Shania has some tricks here? I'll wait for arguments.


Low Heavy

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs Rei (BoF3) - I don't know if I see Rei OHKOing Rune but he's way faster, so I don't think it matters?
Demi (PS4) vs Sharon (LoL2)


Middle:

Ulrika Mulberry (MK2) vs Lilina (FE6)
Flay Gunnar (MK1) vs Nowi (FE13)


Failure Team 7

Doll (SaGa) vs Onix (PKMN) - Uhhh Power Grab Hype???
Liz (WA2) vs Nina (BoF3)

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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2015, 01:00:29 AM »
Godlike:

Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Yuna (FFX): Faster, Ghaleon takes a ton of damage from Anima before killing her, and I don't thin Ghaleon can reliably one-round Shiva and thus prevent her from getting an Overdrive, that should be enough at worst.
Alternis Dim (BD) vs Ryu (BoF3): Alternis can wipe out a dragon form in a single go below half health, but he's so much slower that Ryu can easily retransform, smash, and force this to repeat. Alternis might maaaybe threaten Ryu's resources if he could OHKO all battle long, but as is, not a chance.


High Heavy:

Chris Lightfellow (S3) vs Ryu (BoF2): Silent Lake... although it's possible Ryu can turtle with Guts through all of Chris' L2 charges? (She has 3.) May need to look closely at Guts to decide this. Kneejerk is Guts not that great, though.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Shania (SH3): As per a previous match (I think it was Jowy vs. Lucina?), I do take Jowy against an average which includes him, which raises the kill point to ~1259. That still leaves him with just enough damage to win here, though. It's super-close so I'm hardly going to be bothered by votes the other way.


Low Heavy

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs Rei (BoF3): Hinges entirely on Rei getting instant death resistance. Rei's own status is laughable here, and he needs a turn to go Weretiger and tear Rune in half. So Rune has one shot of Negatis, which will certainly hit if Rei doesn't resist ID. The old topic gives Rei one source of death resist, that being the Lifestealer... but Dhyer doesn't list that and a FAQ has it as "enemy drop/Fairy Village", so I dunno. Still, there are Talismans... I don't recall what the default BoF3 accessory they'd push out to me is, but I highly doubt it's anything that could possibly swing the match.
Demi (PS4) vs Sharon (LoL2): Faster. I highly doubt Sharon is so frail as to die to Demi's physical + Phonon, and that's the only possible way I can see Demi ever not giving Sharon a turn below half health with 100 AP. Sleep's too unreliable against those faster than Demi.


Middle:

Ulrika Mulberry (MK2) vs Lilina (FE6): Silence, or elemental resistance, or... something. Anything.
Flay Gunnar (MK1) vs Nowi (FE13): Strong kneejerk. Everything Flay has seems to help him out here: Blocker, Last Stand are both relevant; defence down is extremely strong against Nowi, and timed cards to get past her counters some. Could be wrong, someone might want to math this out... but I think so.


Ooooh Elfboy!

Doll (SaGa) vs Onix (PKMN): Faster. Doll just misses the 2HKO with DarkSphere (17% to average, need 35% to kill Onix), so he has two spare turns. Screech can make Bind very dangerous indeed (and he can get past the draining), and Bindspam does its thing. Hell, he can probably get away with just one successful Screech then Bindspam, although it'd be dicy with his moves' accuracy, so the extra turn is some nice insurance. Doll really wishes that she could use a shield.
Liz (WA2) vs Nina (BoF3): Well, they both 2HKO each other, I think want to say. Whoever goes first wins? Nina is +0.67, Lilka is +0.45, Kanon is +1.77, Liz is between Lilka and Kanon. That... seems to favour Liz, but I could be argued. Actual numbers could also make a difference here. The main thing which makes me pause is that Liz certainly could miss the 2HKO (it requires him both to not be able to survive a bomb backlash combined with Nina's turn, and then for physical + Bomb to not be good enough)... I don't think he does, but it's possible. So... not certain. But going with my best guess for now.

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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2015, 01:12:19 AM »
Godlike:

Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Yuna (FFX)
Alternis Dim (BD) vs Ryu (BoF3)


High Heavy:

Chris Lightfellow (S3) vs Ryu (BoF2)- Did SL get all Runes? Can't remember
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Shania (SH3)- Jowy doesn't OHKO average to me, and Shania would be slightly above against one attack


Low Heavy

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs Rei (BoF3)- Yeah, Rei can scrape up enough ID res to make the ID turn 2.
Demi (PS4) vs Sharon (LoL2)


Middle:

Flay Gunnar (MK1) vs Nowi (FE13)- TCs to avoid counters, buffing and def down are effective, yeah. I'll bite.

Ooooh Elfboy!

Doll (SaGa) vs Onix (PKMN)
Liz (WA2) vs Nina (BoF3)- Liz is definitely faster, and I have passable respect for his HP.
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2015, 01:14:12 AM »
SL gets all magical runes, but not physical ones.

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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2015, 01:15:23 AM »
Godlike:

Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Yuna (FFX)
Alternis Dim (BD) vs Ryu (BoF3)


High Heavy:

Chris Lightfellow (S3) vs Ryu (BoF2)
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Shania (SH3) - trusting elfmath


Low Heavy

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs Rei (BoF3) - Probably.


Middle:

Ulrika Mulberry (MK2) vs Lilina (FE6) - Yep.
Flay Gunnar (MK1) vs Nowi (FE13)


Ooooh Elfboy!

Doll (SaGa) vs Onix (PKMN)
Liz (WA2) vs Nina (BoF3) - Unless the stat topic is mistaken about Gecko Merton's damage type, this seems right to me.
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2015, 02:21:25 AM »
Godlike:

Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Yuna (FFX): Since Ghaleon double-acts he has a way to kill Yuna when he finishes Anima? Do the Magus sisters let her take it? Does it matter since everyone votes for Yuna regardless?
Alternis Dim (BD) vs Ryu (BoF3): Equips for speed, Focusx2 Aura to blow past the last 50% of Alternis' HP. That'll be a lot of damage.


High Heavy:

Chris Lightfellow (S3) vs Ryu (BoF2): Between Guts and the great Counter/Crit rate he might just win? If Chris stops to heal he KOs her with G Drgn.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Shania (SH3): I guess I allow those storebought physical damage boosters, which apparently reduce Jowy to a little under PCHP?


Low Heavy

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs Rei (BoF3): Weretiger OHKOs, Talisman lets him do it.
Demi (PS4) vs Sharon (LoL2): Sharon has a lightning Elemental weapon and her MA should KO for sure. I think that's a bit too much for Demi?


Middle:

Ulrika Mulberry (MK2) vs Lilina (FE6)
Flay Gunnar (MK1) vs Nowi (FE13)


Ooooh Elfboy!

Doll (SaGa) vs Onix (PKMN)
Liz (WA2) vs Nina (BoF3): Surely...

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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2015, 03:15:23 AM »
Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Yuna (FFX) - Do the conga.
Alternis Dim (BD) vs Ryu (BoF3) - Not really. Having no Brave strings isn't something Alternis likes.

Chris Lightfellow (S3) vs Ryu (BoF2) - Well, Silent Lake doesn't block Guts and, while Chris certainly outtanks Ryu, he has notably better damage off his physical than she does -and- counters. And, obviously, a turn where Silent Lake isn't up is a turn where Chris explodes. I mean, I know Guts isn't too hot, but Chris damage here just isn't very good unless it crits. Though I could be wrong, if she crits in a turn where Guts -misses-, wow. Eh, sure, why not.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Shania (SH3) - EDIT: superior Elfmaths.

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs Rei (BoF3) - Rei can only resist ID by 25% with Talismans. Diem's still turn one (66.7%, in fact, BEFORE Rei's 3.8% weakness due to crap mdef applies).
Demi (PS4) vs Sharon (LoL2) - Demi 2HKOs with Phonon, I think, but can't avoid Mystic Art range for her life and cannot chip-2HKO either - oh, and Sharon hits weakness with her magic to the point where she actually may 2HKO Demi with it before a casting of Barrier. Iunno, it sorta adds up.

Ulrika Mulberry (MK2) vs Lilina (FE6) - Elemental Barrier kinda makes a mockery out of everything Lilina stands for.
Flay Gunnar (MK1) vs Nowi (FE13) - DEFENSE DOWN HYPE - Iunno, guys. Nowi has bad damage and Flay doesn't trigger a lot of counters here along with having quite a lot of offense to overwhelm her with. She might win, but it might be over as soon as Flay hits Last Stand range.

Doll (SaGa) vs Onix (PKMN) - EDIT: THIRD MATCH IN A ROW WHERE ONIX USES BIND AS HIS OFFENSE WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU
Liz (WA2) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF3) - Nina3 is faster and considerably more magically durable than Paula, along with being more damaging. I think this is enough to make her survive physical + Gecko Merton.
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2015, 03:20:35 AM »
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2015, 03:29:33 AM »


(Added votes anyway. Holy hell, how did you pull off a season where Onix has damage for THREE MATCHES STRAIGHT?)
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2015, 03:54:17 AM »
Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Yuna (FFX)
The first Aeon will rip off a ton of Ghaleon's HP, but I think I'd let him chip -> Fate Storm off a double turn if he can survive a single Aeon.  Which probably means eating an Overdrive too, so maybe not, but eh.
EDIT: See below, eh, might as well let Anima go batshit for this tourney.

Chris Lightfellow (S3) vs Ryu (BoF2)
Sure, Guts antihype.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Shania (SH3)
Survives getting blow'd up a little more solidly than Black Mage.
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2015, 04:13:38 AM »
Ghaleon's so slow that Yuna instadoubles him by most measures and can go Auto-Life => Summon anyway. Not to mention I'm kinda skeptical about his ability to chip Anima anyway, her durability is actually almost comparable to Ghal's.
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2015, 06:04:12 AM »
Insta-double doesn't fly for my fairly harsh TB speed caps (How often does Nash doubleturn Ghaleon in-game?), I use 120 / 80 (aka a very fast TB character 3:2s a very slow TB character). 

I also prefer to consider Anima / Magus Sisters aftergame wholly based on my own personal experience where I collected Yojimbo & a few Celestials & re-visited the temples & some beast taming, but didn't find those two Aeons.  (Elf has pointed out before that there's a strong clue and special dialogue with Seymour and all, which is reasonable, but shrug, I'm usually fine with voting straight-up on personal experience. And yes, that also means stuff like Wakka playing Blitzball eleventy zillion times to get maxed Attack Reels & World Champion are probably out too.)  It almost never matters as her other Aeons are pretty hax anyway.  I could probably be convinced to vote for Anima at least just for consistency with everyone else, although if Anima's allowed I'd absolutely use Anima's attack in the general damage average which would cause the killpoint to rise a bit and make the rest of the cast hate Yuna more....  although it barely matters here, Anima should still Overdrive before dying which will pulp Ghaleon horrifically.  (Since Anima has 50% evasion and good Magic Defense, that sounds fair, Ghaleon needs 3 turns.)

That said, I suppose you've convinced me to switch anyway, since full-hax Yuna w/ Anima should win, and even without, Ghaleon really wants me to let him use an attack spell -> Fate Storm.  While I'm fine with letting Ghaleon switch up his other moves, Fate Storm & Chaos Shield I'm usually less enthusiastic about, and Fate Storm / Physical (which can happen) rams into Yuna's evade.  And this IS a High Godlike bracket so less need to nerf Yuna, let her go nuts here.  Combination of the two are enough, I suppose.

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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2015, 08:09:32 PM »
Godlike:

Ghaleon (Lunars) vs Yuna (FFX)
Alternis Dim (BD) vs Ryu (BoF3)


High Heavy:

Chris Lightfellow (S3) vs Ryu (BoF2)
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Shania (SH3)


Low Heavy

Rune Walsh (PS4) vs Rei (BoF3)
Demi (PS4) vs Sharon (LoL2)


Middle:

Ulrika Mulberry (MK2) vs Lilina (FE6)
Flay Gunnar (MK1) vs Nowi (FE13)


Ooooh Elfboy!

Doll (SaGa) vs Onix (PKMN)
Liz (WA2) vs Nina (BoF3)
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2015, 03:40:23 AM »
although if Anima's allowed I'd absolutely use Anima's attack in the general damage average which would cause the killpoint to rise a bit and make the rest of the cast hate Yuna more....

Anima should be held to the full damage average anyways, since she is replacing all 3 PCs, which makes her damage not as impressive.
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2015, 07:46:04 PM »
On the other hand, she also protects all those PCs, and freezes their turn gauges while she's around, so any damage she does during that time is essentially free in-game. (Put another way: as far as party clockticks are concerned, Anima's entire time on the battlefield can be condensed into the single clocktick that Yuna uses to summon her.) Summoning Anima in no way reduces your party's effective offence.

It's pretty reasonable to use Anima's physical in the damage average for Yuna, certainly, and even hold it against the other PCs if you want to be harsh, but the damage should be pretty impressive regardless.

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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2015, 04:58:41 PM »
Question: I want to run another DL format tournament after this. Should I do another shift style tournament or something else?
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2015, 05:00:10 PM »
More variety is always good, though I wouldn't say no to another Shift tourney if it came to it, either. Mostly, I just like voting on matches. What do you have in mind?
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2015, 10:35:15 PM »
Shift tournament's fun, could do an entire tournament of the division of shame. -those- matches seem to draw votes.
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2015, 11:50:22 PM »
Yet another nefarious plot to have Onix spreading terror among the dregs of Puny. I approve.
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2015, 11:53:14 PM »
More variety is always good, though I wouldn't say no to another Shift tourney if it came to it, either. Mostly, I just like voting on matches.

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2015, 12:35:23 AM »
The only other thing I could really think of potentially that way, way, way back fusion tournament (where you fused two characters from the same game together), as I remember that being pretty fun.
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2015, 01:45:02 AM »
We could have a fusion division, why not? EDIT: Also, some conditional theoretics stuff that's been blown off on chat in the past before in the vein of 1337 Jogurts, like "auto-Silence Kyril.
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Re: Shift Tournament Week 4: Onix, the reason everyone comes to vote.
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2015, 02:14:10 AM »
Something team-y might be nice, as a lack of Nyarly dungeon has rendered that aspect less common.