Composer Battle Is Go! THE TREBLE CLEF IS YOUR DOOM!

[Carthrat]

Excal: What's there to say about it? I refuse to get worried over someone being a dreaded three votes in at this stage (and it's very hard to care about the lynch target much right now; literally anyone but me is a fine choice for the moment.) The reason you voted for him was obvious, if weak. It was certainly no flimsier than my own. I am likewise waiting for others to check in and am holding my bets close to my chest for the time being.

I... am not really going to be jumping down peoples throats during early day 1 much, I suspect. That way leads long and stupid arguments of misplaced words, which oh-so-rarely lead to conclusions of any kind.

[Shale]

Claiming, even just nameclaiming, in your first post is unusual. Unusual things are worth exploring, especially early in the game when there's little else to do besides joke around. Like I said, being weird doesn't make it lynchworthy, but that doesn't preclude pressure votes.

[Ryogo]

Alright. Thanks for the advice Otter.

Well, so far,  Corwin and smodge haven't posted yet. Also, OK and Andrew have posted, but only a quick joke vote kinda thing. Not much in the way of info, but I wouldn't be willing to throw the vote down on those two yet. They were the first and third posts, so there wasn't much to work with in the first place. But at least they have posted, and there is plenty of time left. If they don't come through with something soon though, I'd be throwing a pressure vote down on them myself. There really isn't much to go with right now, we need some more information. For now, I'll give Sopko a hand and give him his "second" vote.

##Unvote: Carthrat

##Vote: Corwin


EDIT: Rat and Shale posted after me I see.

Not much I can really say about those two posts.
Shale: Thanks for the info, I'll keep that name/roleclaim advice in mind for future games.

[Excal]

The thing is, Shale.  As has been pointed out, name claiming doesn't help one way or the other.  Everyone is covered, and I doubt El Cid's gonna bastard mod like Alex did in FFT.  I know why I jumped on him.  Because it was a great seed for debate.  But you seem to actually see some merit in looking at the claim.  Is it just because it's unusual?

Rat, when are you planning to start jumping down people's throats then, if you don't mind my asking?  We have to start conversation sooner or later.  And while I admit that reading too closely early on just tends to lead to bad arguments that reveal nothing, that doesn't mean that we should be incapable of aggressive reading early on.  After all, we need to get our foundation somehow, yes?

Also, while I suspect the Aussies may be annoyed by missing out on the joke phase of the game, they have so little chance to interact with us that I don't feel any true remorse by having things be serious when they arrive.  I must say that I am certainly interested in their posts, as well as Andy's next one.

All you can really do is hope that your small screwup isn't the one that's gonna catch everyone's fancy.

What exactly was his "small screwup" originally?  I think the rules made it clear that the names are meaningless.  He hasn't done a thing wrong that I can see.

In the context of that statement, the small screwup is whatever the day 1 lynchee did that got him lynched.  Needless to say, this game's screwup might not have actually happened yet.

[Ranmilia]

I'm not really phased, it's start of day 1.  Saw Excal seeming to conflate early nameclaim with early roleclaim, didn't like it, wanted to nip it in the bud. 

Smodge and Corwin should be showing up soon, given their time zones.

Shale's latest post comes off as quite bizzare to me, given that Excal was the person starting a semi-serious case on Ryogo.

##Unvote: Excal
##Vote: Shale

Explain?

FOS: Rat.  There's a difference between discussing and making cases and jumping down people's throats.  Don't be all LYNCH LYNCH on day 1 fluff, but you do need to take some positions and make some cases. 

[Shale]

Huh?

I'm curious, why the claim so soon?  It tells us nothing, one way or the other, nor even really tripping anyone else up.  It just seems like an odd quirk to make your opening post.

I don't see a semi-serious case there, and his later posts are suspicious of the people who didn't argue in Ryogo's favor. What am I missing there?

Also, the avatar is George Handel. Whee!

[EvilTom]

Ok, this game has taken off fast, which is what I like to see Joke-vote phase is boring. Ok, onto the issues:

-Big post because I might not get to post again till tomorrow

Carthrat -

Also, quickest day 1 bandwagon or what?

I was planning to bandwagon someone, anyone from the very start.

it's very hard to care about the lynch target much right now; literally anyone but me is a fine choice

Something just doesn't sound right there. Why did you complain about bandwagon, and then in the next post say you'd been planning to do it from the start? Or am I mis-reading the first part?
Also that third part sounds.. a bit off. I can see where you're coming from, but it doesn't sound like it's been phrased in a friendly way. I guess I might just be nit-picking, but ok. I'm probably just being wary of you here 'cos you're scum so often

Ryogo -

Uggg. I really hope I don't get lynched first because of that.

I also thought they were joke votes, and not that I was getting "band-wagoned"

I have no idea why there's a band-wagon going on. One or two votes are joke-votes yes, but a third? That's almost half way to lynch. This is... very strange, considering you've done nothing wrong. The mod himself said there was nothing in a name, as I've already stated. This is most concerning of Excal.

Excal -
Ryogo didn't do anything especially scummy. Not that I can see anyway. Then you blame Rat, Shale, Otter and Sopko for not picking up on what you said? What? So basically they're scummy for not pointing out that you were scummy first? Can you please explain what happened there, I'm confused and concerned.

Excal, Ryogo did something decidedly odd.

Which was, again?  I don't understand why everyone is acting weird about the meaningless name claim.  Maybe I'm just confused and there's really something wrong with it?  If so, please, tell me.  I was going to chip in mine just for the hell of it, but I'll wait to hear if someone has a real objection first I guess.

I'm really going to have to second Otter here.


And, my last point of major issue of concern:

For now, I'll give Sopko a hand and give him his "second" vote.

##Unvote: Carthrat

##Vote: Corwin

Ummm... what? You say you're going to vote for Soppy and then you vote for Corwin?
Ok, I bought that the nameclaim was a harmless newby thing. I'll give you that.
But what's going on here? Please explain..

[Ryogo]

Two votes usually doesn't get me raised up in a game this size. Your third vote raises eyebrows, but it's as good a reason as any to start serious discussion. I have harangued Smodge and Corwin previously to start posting, so...

#Unvote: Excal

#Vote: Smodge

FOS- Corwin

Chop, chop, you two. I'd vote you both, but only got one vote.

See the last line of his post there. He said he would put a second vote on Corwin if he could, so I put mine down on him instead. I figured I'd get rid of my joke vote and put it to at least some use.

Sorry for any confusion there. Anywho, I'm off to bed, its 3:30 AM here. I'll see you all tomorrow.

[Corwin]

Post of 'it's morning for me, I'm around'. Will actually comment once I've gone through the thread beyond skimming is briefly.

[Corwin]

Mmm. I'd like to take issues with Rat's claim of posting regularly with no problem despite being a vile Oz person. First, Rat has no life and even he would not contest this. Second, his lack of life actually overlaps with the US quite a lot, certainly more than Europe+dreaded barbarian lands nearby do, for the times that matter here.

Next, seconding Otter's words on how targetting low content is town's best strategy. If only people did that more-- but yeah. Not like there's anything to be done about past mistakes.

http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=673.msg13173#msg13173

Don't really like how Rat warns Otter not to talk about how to play the game... and continues talking about how to play the game. Day 1, etc, but yeah.

On Excal's third vote/Alex taking issue with it/everyone letting it slide. I think I'll join the latter group, since Excal's offered an explanation for his vote that I agree with by the time I've started reading the thread. I've done the same thing myself before to start discussion early on day 1, though I've tried to mark it clearly as such then. Of course, it could be just an after-the-fact justification once Alex said something. Eh. Doesn't really feel like it to me.

http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=673.msg13208#msg13208

Excal -
Ryogo didn't do anything especially scummy. Not that I can see anyway. Then you blame Rat, Shale, Otter and Sopko for not picking up on what you said? What? So basically they're scummy for not pointing out that you were scummy first? Can you please explain what happened there, I'm confused and concerned.

I'm not Excal, but allow me to comment anyway, Tom? Yes, that's exactly it. If someone uses bad or suspect logic, and people agree with him or don't point it out, it's suspicious. If the person himself later realizes his logic was bad, he is fully entitled to call them out on this.

That said, I don't think this issue, on either side, is particularly scummy. If it weren't day 1, it probably wouldn't even be debated beyond a minor point in someone's case.

Well, then. A lurker vote would be my strategy, where lurker is defined by not being present within a reasonable timeframe and/or not contributing meaningful content. Followed properly, this strategy will not fail.

Smodge gets his chance to post something, plus he already has a vote. Andrew has his excuse/reason/invincibility armor that I believe will get him through day 1 at least, whether justly or not. BUT. ##Vote: OblivionKnight. Okay, who remembered OK was playing, bad pun unintended? He came, he placed a oneliner jokevote, he left. Content, please.

[Sierra]

Also, if the mod will confirm that names are unrelated to our in-game identities (affiliations, roles, etc), I wouldn't mind a full nameclaim, mainly because it would make an avatar fad possible.

Mod's note: Confirmed.

[Sierra]

Current votecount:

Carthrat (1): Ryogo, Carthrat
Corwin (1): Ryogo
EvilTom (1): Keeshi
Excal (0): Hunter Sopko, Sir Alex
Keeshi (1): Otter
Otter (1): OblivionKnight
Ryogo (3): AndrewRogue, Carthrat, Excal
Shale (2): EvilTom, Sir Alex
Smodge (1): Hunter Sopko

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are 58 hours remaining.

[OblivionKnight]

Honestly, I keep thinking I need to type a post restriction into this one >_>  Damn Rat.

Anyway, I posted yesterday at around 7pm in the middle of class break, then went home, did stuff, went to bed.  I'm currently not going into work today until later, so I'll be around a bit.  I had nothing to really work with, so expecting content that early is a little...blah.  Content now?  Something, perhaps.  

And Ryogo remembered I was playing.  So someone did remember I was playing, just to answer your question.

##Unvote: Otter

Starting vote to do stuff for the hell of it needs done with.  Yay Otter for talking.

As for the claim from Ryogo - as Mr. Mod said, names do not matter in terms of telling us who is good Classical or evil RAP.  While really early...mmm...well, why is the point?  Can I chalk it up to being new?  Perhaps.  When I was new, I never did anything like that, nor do I know anyone who did that - I think it's generally known that roleclaiming is a LYLO/ENDGAME/SEXROMP thing.  So while I do chalk it up to a n00/3 thing, I do think it's a little quick.  Not anything I'd go after personally, but...yeah, jumping on itis a bit hasty, I think.  The most important part is he DID NOT DO A ROLECLAIM - THAT would have been something to jump on.  So anyone jumping on him for the nameclaim needs some scrutiny.

The newbie comments and asking for forgiveness...are newbieish.  Eh...I don't know how I feel about them - I could logically see any newbie asking to rethink things, but...that should be a given.  We SHOULD ALL ALREADY be thinking to make sure things work out.  The likeliness that scum will nuke us with 4 votes on you isn't exceedingly high on day 1 (assuming there are 3 or so scum - which I don't think El-Cid mentioned the exact number of, but with the number involved, that's a good number to assume to start with, at least).  The important thing with voting is to make sure that you keep the vote count on someone low enough so scum can't conveniently hammer quickly before the person can do something to defend themselves/claim/stop it.  Early on, votes are for pressuring and fun, on day 1 with nothing to go on.  I mean, look at the first 2 posts - what do you have to go on from them (well, aside from 2 votes on the same person right away, which is a touch odd early - but there's no likely way scum can lynch that early unless there are like 5 or 6 of them, which would be unbalanced in this game, and it does move out of the joke phase faster and get some conversationalism going, which like Excal mentioned, isn't a bad thing).   So yes, it's a bit odd, and it might be something to watch later, but right now, I am not concerned.

(As a random aside - I find it more interesting playing this game since I know a good portion of you personally - it's odd looking into things sometimes, and trying to rationalize them with peoples' actions.  I t hink Yakumo has a good point in looking at people and their past habits - for new people, this doesn't work as well, since they're...uh...new >_>)

After repeatedly having town-losing games where LaL would have won it, I'm all for that this game.  As such...

Well, Andrew I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, unless he misses posting today.  As for others...

##Vote: Keeshi  

Well, not completely a lurker, but vote the same reasons Corwin voted me, I suppose.  Day 1 vote on a "lurker" isn't bad, though it was early on.  He/She/It/DOG makes an interesting point to question the claim, but this has been gone over already.  Not much, really, but I'd like to hear some more now that your question was answered, Tom talked, etc.

Also, I am so tempted to avatar just for the hell of it >_>  It would be awesome.

[Carthrat]

Corwin: Screw you. I keep tabs on my friends and we keep roughly the same hours. I don't stay up until 5 in the morning or whatever, and I fill my time with enough stuff and still manage to post relatively frequently (or at least I have, in previous games.) In short, I make an effort. Kindly plz to stop projecting your lack of life onto me.

Otter in particular rambles quite a lot about general mafia theory, and takes up a good deal of time when he does so. Or, at least, he has in prior games. Apologies for being hypocritical. Some is probably necessary. Don't wanna go overboard.

I am also concerned that you don't seem to see what Tom finds strange with Excal to be odd. We could go in this loop forever, but the whole dialogue Excal has pulled on people 'not questioning him for having a suspect vote' seems bizzare when he still has said vote placed. If he'd 'realised he made a mistake', surely he'd remove it. I found the exchange, particularly between him and Shale, to be rather odd.

<->

Smodge needs to post etc etc let's toe the party line here, people!

<->

OK: "We should keep votes so low that scum can't conveniently hammer before person xyz has a chance to defend" just... doesn't work. Such a move isn't subtle and is often damning, especially if scum are really trying to get it done with quickly; I think we'll notice if they try, and ask questions on the morrow! I feel this attitude is more likely to constrict play.

Oh yeah you said something about encouraging metagaming by looking at past play habits. Very scattershot method of finding scum. People change, playstyles change (sometimes deliberate, sometimes not), so on and so forth. Especially doesn't work with people who are used to playing both sides, or even people who overwhelmingly play scum.

Vote for Keeshi for lurking. Meh. No real opinion. Felt he was sorta going down a decent path by bugging Ryogo over claiming (and that confirmed for me that he knows how to play the game, too, as he's written in posts prior to here that he's played mafia before.)

[Ryogo]

The only thing I was worried about was what I saw the last game. I know that if I have the most votes near the end of day one (or the first few days) many people will vote me just for the sake of "Lynch needs to happen, w/e. Let's kill him." Though this game, we seem to be able to No Lynch if you look at the first post. So I dunno if that'll be as big of a factor this time.

Well, Corwin has posted at least. And makes a few points:

About Excal's vote on me -
It seems to have done what he said he was trying to do: Spark debate and get people talking. If that's all he wanted to do, I'm fine with that. I also agree how a third vote so soon would raise eyebrows. It certainly did for me. It caught me off guard, as I'm sure you can tell.
I know it may have been because the votes were for me... but if it caught MY attention, you'd think other more experienced players would have found this odd too? I wouldn't go as far as to say scummy, but it's odd indeed.

Rat, Shale, Otter and Sopko.

Just to re-iterate the names that Excal noticed doing this.

Also, lurker voting is something I agree with, at least until everyone has a couple of posts.

And thus Corwin has posted. Yay! That just leaves Smodge. I don't like this. Maybe he just hasn't gotten around to it yet, or seen that the game has started. But he does need to post. To add the pressure to get him out here...

##Unote: Corwin
##Vote: Smodge

[OblivionKnight]

To the almighty previous mod of the game where we restricted ourselves:

I'm mostly looking (to your first point) of how, later on, scum can hammer with one wrong vote (it happened...the last 2 games I played).  Now granted, those games were going bad for town anyway, and they were in LYLO, so call me a little jumpy when it comes to that.  Being somewhat careful when votes pile on is important, though you are right that it should be fairly noticeable if it is jumped on.  I'm mostly thinking LYLO, as that's been where the last two games died at.  Sadly.  Early on, it isn't as much of a concern, I suppose.  If someone's done scummy stuff, but hasn't defended themselves or given any information yet, I'd rather not have them nuked until we get something from them.  Though, you are right, if they are nuked fast, that's suspicious, but if they're scum-like, then it's a bit greyer - I'm all for extracting information whenever possible.

As for meta-gaming...well, I've only ever been town...ever.  I am the most awesome townie there is, afterall OKIATUHIIAHWPIWCHTIA.  So I can't speak from the perspective of experience playing both sides.  I've just looked over some past games and things Yakko said, and...I don't know.  To an extent, I think if I had looked at past experiences, I might have picked up on different things in the past games I've played...then again, I would have nuked people that didn't deserve it instead.  In a group this close-knit, I find it a bit hard not to, though I think I've done a decent job of not going with it period (or hey, AIAS, CIAS, etc.).  Still, it makes me wonder sometimes.  My main point is that an outsider, to me (and no offense to anyone new to the boards), is a bit different to look at than someone who has been here for a while.  I don't think it came out that way when I said it, but basically, if I don't know you, all I have to go on is how you play, which is far more objective - if I do know you, some subjectivity somehow, someway is going to leak into the thought processes, no matter how hard you try not to.  I'm not specifically advocating only looking at how a person has played in the past as the only means of attacking them, but I think it has some bearing, though small.  I don't think it's detrimental to use it in a small way, but I do agree that it shouldn't be the basis of a vote. 

Keeshi - as I said, I recognized his point being valid on bugging Ryogo, which does show he's played before.  However, I want to see how the discussion has panned out in his eyes.  Honestly, I'm not pushing for a lynch on him/her/it/DOG, but he had a question he panned to Ryogo that was answered, so I'd like to see what comes out of it. 

Now, smodge...I didn't even realize he was playing.  I even looked at the damn players list.  Ok, he and Tom keep getting mixed together into one person in my head.  If he hasn't posted by tonight, we'll go from there.  I know he's had posting issues in the past, but...the only one who hasn't posted yet is a bad thing.  Granted, we still have 2 days, but people should some post in before 24 hours have gone by.       

[OblivionKnight]

The following is an approved therapeutic interchange:

"...shouldn't be the basis of a vote"

Has been substituted to:

"...shouldn't be the entire basis of a case against someone"

A bit of clarification.  A case should have more built up against someone than just past experiences. 

[Excal]

I am also concerned that you don't seem to see what Tom finds strange with Excal to be odd. We could go in this loop forever, but the whole dialogue Excal has pulled on people 'not questioning him for having a suspect vote' seems bizzare when he still has said vote placed. If he'd 'realised he made a mistake', surely he'd remove it. I found the exchange, particularly between him and Shale, to be rather odd.

Let's begin with something very clear here.  My vote and the rational behind it were no accident, nor was there any scrambling to come up with a reason for it after the fact.  As such, I felt no need to remove my vote.  Of course, now I do have a reason.  We just went through prime time for Aussies, and still no Smodge.  And that is a troublesome development, so...

##Unvote: Ryogo, ##Vote: Smodge

Talk Smodge, it's not like this game was started without days of warning, and not like you haven't had time to notice and post...  something.  And it isn't like you haven't played here before to know how we do things.  So, this silence is troubling, yes.

And I'm going to take a second here to agree with Rat.  Scumhammering, ie. speeding the hammer by killing the guy before he's able to defend himself, tends to be a really dumb move for scum before LYLO.  Just take a look at how much scrutiny people get for three votes in rapid succession, let along two or three votes in rapid succession that lynch someone.  Moreover, why do it that way when they can play good little townies, let the person say their piece, and then either say "I don't believe you, oops!" or "believing them" in order to hunt for someone else.  If someone typically doesn't get to defend themselves, it's usually because they didn't do so in time, or because there wasn't enough time before deadline to wait for them to speak, or for the train to redirect itself if they do speak.

...and that just gave me an idea for the most ludicrous role ever.  But that's neither here nor there.  Anyways, I have to get to work, so I'll say more later.  Happy hunting, guys.

[Ghen]

Well, to go over points raised while I was away:

Keeshi, metagaming already? That was fast! Don't forget that nameclaims aren't supposed to give us clues, as stated by the mod. Going after Ryogo's nameclaim might be a good idea in other circumstances, but here it's probably overzealous.

Tom, I completely agree that metagaming is not where I should be looking and I acknowledge that the mod had said that WHO we are is not relevant.  What I was referring to, however, was not that Ryogo had claimed to be Hildegarde, but that he had claimed to be the only female composer in the group.  So my curiosity was whether or not his role PM had indicated such, or whether or not this was a conclusion he had drawn himself due to the fact that there were admittedly few female composers of the era.  He has stated that was what he took from his role PM, and so has answered my question.

In a game where the only person you are certain of is yourself (barring the scum obviously), the use of a phrase whereby you call yourself out as the only one of something is noteworthy.  The scum would have more reason to know what there is or isn't than a townie.  And the mod himself said that the scum had been given 'cover composers' to hide behind.  It would be reasonable to sumise that this was in the form of a list.  And if the mod had stated something along the lines that picking a female composer was safe because he had not used any, this would be an easy mis-step for a scum to make. So his response that it was mod given and not just an assumption on his part does give me pause and keeps my attention on him.

Having said that, I don't believe that phrase alone makes him any shade of 'scum' to me, but it definately means I need to watch him more closely on what he says from now on to see if other slips might change my opinion.

Nameclaims seem like they're fine.  Avatar fad would be fun, sure.

Just as a note, I never go in for changing my avatar.  I pick one I like and then stick with it. 

Now, for the line of thinking for voting Ryogo, I don't believe his action of name giving was indicitive of anything other than being in a themed game which always seems to get at least a handful of people jumping in with both feet first to make a nice splash.  I certainly don't see it as anything 'scummy'.  Just enjoying a nice theme.

##Vote: Keeshi 

Well, not completely a lurker, but vote the same reasons Corwin voted me, I suppose.  Day 1 vote on a "lurker" isn't bad, though it was early on.  He/She/It/DOG makes an interesting point to question the claim, but this has been gone over already.  Not much, really, but I'd like to hear some more now that your question was answered, Tom talked, etc.

Just to make it clear, I'm a 'she'.

[Hunter Sopko]

I think we're delving too deeply into possible meanings behind Ryogo's claim. I don't think it's particularly telling either way if he claims to be the only female composer in the game. Seems more like a naive misphrasing to me.

I agree with Rat in that I'm not particularly liking the whole "why didn't you notice this?" thing Excal has asked. It's in a more "well, thats a strange and potentially flawed argument" more than convincing of scumhood though. Smodge's absence still makes me keep the vote there though.

And Corwin, seriously, don't take things personally. (You too, Rat)

[Corwin]

OK posts. OK posts more than the token. ##Unvote: OK.

And Ryogo remembered I was playing.  So someone did remember I was playing, just to answer your question.

To OK: That was pretty much a figure of speech to illustrate my point, so don't take it too literally.

To Rat: I disagree on the timezones and time to partitipate and your life (until I see proof of one), but there's little point in effectively derailing conversation to go back and forth on this. Aside from that... I find myself in agreement with what you and Excal say about OK.

OK's justification for voting Keeshi as 'same as I did for OK' feels off to me (Keeshi's contribution to the game at the time of OK's vote seems higher than OK's at the time of mine, though that could be subjective), and so does what reads as a warning about being careful with your vote. You call scum hammering outside LYLO before someone is able to make a compelling defense 'convenient'? How?

Ryogo makes me frown. He alternates between going 'sorry guys I don't know how this is played, newbie misses, don't kill plz' and 'I noticed the following from reading your past games....'. So, like, which is it? Aren't these two stances incompatible to a large degree? Just doesn't sit well with me.

Keeshi posts. Interesting theory, no real comments otherwise. Feels a bit farfetched, but that someone considered that angle is good.

Finally. Smodge posts nothing despite ample chances to, so barring a modkill/mod post about some consequences out of smodge's control, here's another vote for him. ##Vote: smodge.

[OblivionKnight]

Mr. stars and analysis:

Well, to be fair, you never know in mafia if someone is being facetious or not.  I figured it would be a good thing to point it out anyway to avoid future accusations.

I never said Keeshi had less than me (I know you aren't specifically implying that, but I feel I should mention it anyway).  My argument for voting her was simply to get a feel for how she took to what had happened thus far since she had last been here.  She did have more than me, even I'll admit that - she called on Ryogo's claim, which is a good call.  My opinion is the same as her's on the matter, and all I wanted was clarification.  A vote used for clarification and calling someone to answer a question is not a bad use of a vote.  There's been talk about things she brought up to start, I wanted to get some info out of her.  Perhaps I phrased it poorly to start.

I'm not sure if I'm reading your question "...you call scum hammering outside of LYLO before someone is able to make..." right, but I'll try to answer it.  I...ok, I actually am not sure what you mean by that.  I'm saying that, when someone's down to the wire, it's just important to make sure that they don't get hammered fast to make sure we get roleclaims/other info out of them.  I...can't remember the game where it happened, but it happened early, and it hit a townie before they could get a defense in (and I think it was a cop...maybe I'm remembering wrong - the point is...), due to a scum hammer, because in one of their early posts, they made a slip-up, and people jumped on it.  While yes, anyone jumping on that train could be questionable, it was a legitimate slip, so they aren't as scrutinized as if it had just been jumping on the person for the sake of jumping them.  That's where I get the convenient from - if that situation arises.  Usually, this isn't an issue - if there's a big screw-up, usually, I've noticed the person dug themselves in deeper (Super, Tom in previous games).  I hope I'm making that clear and answering your question properly. 

I think we can both agree that in LYLO, scumhammer is evil incarnate, and all cards need to be on the table before going off for votes.  1 wrong vote can end the game.

Anyway, speaking of Miss Keeshi, thank you.

##Unvote: Keeshi

And now it's all on smodge.  I'll be waiting for him to get back when I return around...god knows when. 

[Ryogo]

Well, I am going off your past games, the post restriction one at least. It's how I've picked up on what I know so far. No one even tried to name/restriction claim there for a while. The only newb move I've claimed to make is posting my nameclaim, and I did it purely for the fun saying who my composer was. I never realized it was an "odd"/scummy thing to do. There's no more to it, no less.

Also, The only thing I said I noticed from the last game was that people tend to pile on the votes onto whoever has the most at the end of the "day" to make sure a lynch happens.
A person can study the theory all they want, but until they get some practice with it hands on, they wont know how to actually handle it. I'm just trying to contribute what I can.

Also, sorry about the many posts about me. I'm just a very defensive person.

To OK: I answered Keeshi's question. She asked whether or not my PM stated I was the only female composer. I told her yes, that's what it seemed like. Think token black guy in the movies, I'm the one women in the composer bunch.


I can't see anything else to point out/comment on at the moment. People still seem to be focusing on my nameclaim, which is fine because it's all there is to go off right now. I've said all I can about that. It doesn't mean anything, I just wanted to have some fun with the composer thing, that's all.

Its been 20 hours, and still no sign from smodge. Seriously, you need to post something, and soon.



EDIT: I see OK has posted since I started mine.
Nothing I can really say about it.

[Otter]

Though this game, we seem to be able to No Lynch if you look at the first post. So I dunno if that'll be as big of a factor this time.

Explain what you mean by this comment?

[Shale]

Gaaaaaah. Site's been going up and down for me all day. I had a reply to Excal prepared earlier, but discussion had moved on by the time I was around to write at the same time as the site was up. I’ve been refreshing every few minutes to try and post this one for a good half hour.

Short version: Early in the game there's nothing wrong with voting someone for something minor as long as you don't pretend it's anything but, and the other two votes on Ryogo were jokevotes anyway so Excal was the only one actually applying pressure.

Moving on!

##Unvote Carthrat

Rereading topic now that I can, will post more when I can do that. I meant to write more here but I’d rather get something out before the site implodes again and/or work calls.