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Re: Composer Battle Is Go! THE TREBLE CLEF IS YOUR DOOM!
« Reply #375 on: April 07, 2008, 03:29:32 AM »
Okay, so, Alex has actually laid out a case on OK. There is definitely a lot of wishy-washy there. He's also continued to display one of the traits that worried me on Day 1 - when he posts, he talks much and says little, with a lot of verbose self-defense and equivocation. Granted, having read a ton of his writeups, that's partly just an OK thing in general, but it's also a classic lurk-in-plain-sight tactic. If there was more time, I'd go over each of his posts individually. But there isn't. And while Alex still doesn't look good to me, neither did Excal, or anybody I voted for in Post Restriction Mafia, etc, etc. I'm going to trust LAL over my gut.

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« Reply #376 on: April 07, 2008, 03:36:36 AM »
HAMMER STOP TALKING. Update in a few minutes.

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« Reply #377 on: April 07, 2008, 04:04:31 AM »
Final votecount:

OblivionKnight (3): Ryogo, Sir Alex, Shale
Ryogo (1): OblivionKnight
Sir Alex (1): Corwin, Shale

A tense atmosphere, taut as the high C string in a piano! Speaking of which, the piano had finally been fixed. The composers had removed all the bits of glass, and driftwood, and aluminum siding Cage had thrown in, painstakingly retuned it and rendered it playable once again. Not in time for the late Claude Debussy to play a song of leavetaking, true, but this night's exile would at least get this one last chance to prove himself.

Frederic Chopin (so he insisted), sat at the piano. The tune he chose to play would decide his fate in the eyes of his accusers. If it didn't passs muster, well...then that unpleasant slice of "paradise" where all the grass grows blue would soon have another unwilling visitor.  And so, Chopin began a sonata. But not just
any sonata. This was dazzling, romantic, and altogether devoid of those wicked postmodern influences the composers had so eagerly been hunting. It also made the instrument float up and off the ground, pianist and all. Naturally this caused some consternation among the remaining composers. "What is this?" Handel declared. "You can't take the piano with you! How are you flying, anyway?"

Chopin smiled faintly at the crowd as he drifted away. "I can use all types of magic.  This is my dream, after all. Well...it seems I must be going now. Farewell and good luck, all of you. And remember: OKIATUHIIAHWPIWCHTIA!"

And with that, he glided off into the aether, piano and all, his celestial melody fading out behind him as he embarked on his final journey.

There was a moment of silence afterwards. Mostly due to confusion. Finally, someone broke the mood: "Well, I don't know what that rot was all about. Do you? Anyone?" All agreed that the evening's events did not, in fact, make any sense whatsoever, but
would make for a cracking final act in any opera. Should they prevail--when they prevail--they each vowed to compose such a work.

But for now, they awaited the coming of dawn. One way or another, the next day's events would decide everything.


OblivionKnight, AKA Frederic Chopin, 1810-1849 (Vanilla townie) was lynched!

The final night looms. Send in your night actions.

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« Reply #378 on: April 07, 2008, 10:40:48 PM »
The fifth day dawned with a sullen silence. There were few left to oppose the serialist invasion now, and all knew in their hearts that this would be their last chance to expel the modernists for good. When they rose and took account of their numbers, they were greeted with another bleak omen: One of the most famous amongst them--admittedly moody and irrascible, but undeniably brilliant--had vanished overnight. And now they lacked even a piano which which to play the Moonlight Sonata in tribute.

Elsewhere, a Peanuts character mourned, and a lone violinist played the funereal second movement of the "Eroica" symphony.


Sir Alex, AKA Ludwig von Beethoven, 1770-1827 (Vanilla townie) was killed overnight!

It is now day five, and LYLO. With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch.

There are 72 hours remaining.

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« Reply #379 on: April 07, 2008, 10:48:36 PM »
What...I was sure...aaaaaaargh.

Well, whichever one of you is scum, thanks for saving me from making a huge mistake. I really need to reread the topic from start to finish, because after that day I was damned sure Alex was dirty.
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« Reply #380 on: April 08, 2008, 04:33:18 AM »
OUCHHHHHHHHH. Same here... I was sure who of those that wasn't scum, was. Glad I didn't switch my vote when I didn't see OK come back... It just would've looked bad @_@

And I knew I'd be left. There's no way the scum would've passed up the chance to be left with the newb. T_T
I'm pretty sure that's what the scum is riding on. That and all the scum accusations towards me with the lurking.

God damn...

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« Reply #381 on: April 08, 2008, 06:08:33 AM »
Okay, let's do this.

Voting record. Both of you voted for OK on Day 1. Day 2, Ryogo started out on Keeshi, Corwin on OK. Both flipped to voting for Tom after Keeshi's claim. Corwin simply said

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A vote to make him realize the seriousness of his situation. We're in this to hunt scum. I cannot support any lynch today that is not Tom or Keeshi.

And didn't post again for the rest of the day; Ryogo went on at length about the possibilities of an insane/lying Keeshi, but never actually moved to switch his vote around. Not sure who has the advantage there; prodding for suspicion on the cop doesn't look great, but compared to not posting at all, well, it's kind of a wash.

Day 3: Both vote for Excal. Corwin would prefer to lynch Sopko but doesn't get any support for the idea. Can't fault you there.

Day 4: Corwin votes for Alex, following up on a suspicion he voiced the previous day, Ryogo for OK after OK votes him.

What to make of it? Not sure. Neither vote record is great, but I'm hardly one to talk on that front, and at least both of you voted for Tom. Corwin prodding Sopko on Day 3 speaks well for him, but has to be weighed against the potential for busing a scumbuddy who was going to drop out anyway. Day 4 is extremely hard to read thanks to Otter's shenanigans.

Oh, and one other thing. Roleclaim: I'm the doc. I protected myself night 2, blocking the kill. My original target that night was Keeshi, but I was allowed to pick a new player to guard when she dropped out. Lucky for me, I couldn't think of anyone and defaulted to self-defense.
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« Reply #382 on: April 08, 2008, 07:08:39 AM »
Alright. First, it wouldn't surprise anyone that I'm vanilla. On the subject of roleclaims, I find it difficult to believe that you're a doc that could protect himself. Not impossible, given some of the roles on the #dl, but extremely doubtful due to how sane this game had been so far, role-wise. If we're to believe you, it neatly ties in with how there was no scum kill that time, conveniently placing you out of suspicion.

On my vote for Tom:
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On my 'switch' to Tom, that is also being distorted! I was the first to vote Tom after Keeshi's roleclaim (effectively, being the second vote on him after hers). I specifically said I wanted to hear from him and for him to use the vote as a measure of how serious the situation he was in was. Also, was there any doubt that I'd considered Keeshi more credible throughout, and that I didn't buy into the crazy 'miller/insane cop' scenarios? And then Tom ended up being hammered before I could write a comprehensive post that would've formalized the vote (or turned it to Keeshi, if I'd bought Tom's explanation when he posted); am I to blame for that as well?

Yep, that's me. You said you'd be going over our posts, so how could you miss this part where I explain the reason for 'not posting again for the rest of the day'? And speaking of things being a toss up between who looks scummiest in that situation, you conveniently leave yourself out. You were around, you were posting... and you stayed on Excal.

http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=673.msg13977#msg13977

Rather than repost what I think about that, the relevant section of (http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=673.msg14082#msg14082) still covers it. Only, given our dwindling members and the fact that Ryogo or you must be scum, I'm less inclined to go the 'bad town play' route. As I reread it, I'm reminded that Excal was not, in fact, scum, so my theory could well be right.

Let's look at the more recent events:
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What...I was sure...aaaaaaargh.

Well, whichever one of you is scum, thanks for saving me from making a huge mistake. I really need to reread the topic from start to finish, because after that day I was damned sure Alex was dirty.

Please explain that gloating-sounding post in light of http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=673.msg14831#msg14831

Ryogo doesn't look that hot to me with constant 'oh noes newb don't kill me' and various scummy behavior (not voting someone he thinks is SCUM to not LOOK BAD? And this close to LYLO? What the hell?) but I've been cutting him slack so far. What's your excuse? You knew he was around, you could've gotten him to vote Alex (yes, it would've been a bad call in retrospect, given Alex flipped town and all but we didn't know that at the time) as both of you kept on saying Alex looked the scummiest.

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« Reply #383 on: April 08, 2008, 05:21:03 PM »
On self-protection, yeah, it's unusual, but blame it on Cid never modding a game with a standard doc before. The PM didn't specify one way or the other, so I asked early on if I could self-protect. He said, essentially, "sure, why not?" and only realized on Night 2 why the answer is usually "not." He told me that by then he didn't want to change the rules in mid-game, especially when it would result in my immediate death.

And yes, it does place me out of suspicion, barring a counterclaim from Ryogo (which would announce to me that he's the scum), unless you have an explanation for how a town with one cop and the rest of the population vanilla can stop a kill.

Also, as for the "gloating," look closer at the post you referenced - I thought Alex was suspicious but was willing to go with LAL over my suspicions because my suspicions so rarely pan out. Didn't mean I was clearing him. After OK's flip, though, everything that looked bad about him jumping on OK looked even scummier. As a result, when I was thinking over my options last (game) night, Alex looked far, far, far worse than either of you to me. But then he died, which means I can't screw up and get him mislynched. Seeing as left to my own devices I think it's likely I'd have lost the game for town, I think it's funny that the scum stopped me from doing it.

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You knew he was around, you could've gotten him to vote Alex (yes, it would've been a bad call in retrospect, given Alex flipped town and all but we didn't know that at the time) as both of you kept on saying Alex looked the scummiest.

I could have? He didn't post until ten minutes to deadline and I didn't actually see it until later than that, because I was writing my own post at the time, looking over Alex's answers to the questions I'd asked by IM. When I did see his post he gave no indication that he was willing to switch, and I'd already said - repeatedly - that I was willing to support an OK lynch anyway, to the point of requesting a standing condition to switch if there was no hammer while I was gone. You'd rather I hope I can change somebody's mind in five minutes or less, risking No Lynch if it doesn't work (I'm assuming that Cid wouldn't switch my vote himself after I was back, which seems reasonable), than read through and assess Alex's answer to a direct question that I asked?

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Yep, that's me. You said you'd be going over our posts, so how could you miss this part where I explain the reason for 'not posting again for the rest of the day'? And speaking of things being a toss up between who looks scummiest in that situation, you conveniently leave yourself out. You were around, you were posting... and you stayed on Excal.

I ddin't point out my own behavior because I'm not trying to decide whether I'm scum or not. I'll explain/defend against whatever you and Ryogo care to ask about, but it's enough of a headache deciding between the two of you without deciding which aspects of my behavior to defend unprompted. And yes, you said later you were preparing a post when hammer fell. So did Cranbud in the Discworld game (granted, it also happened to me that on the last day of Touhou). You didn't say anything beforehand and you can say whatever you want to afterward, so I'm not going to write it off entirely.

And speaking of defending myself, Day 2 and Excal. I've said what I was thinking. I didn't know who to trust between the pair of Keeshi and Tom, wanted to give her more time to build a paper trail, and I thought Excal had a higher chance to be scum than either of them. Obviously that last part was dead wrong, but I said as well that I supported lynching Tom over Keeshi (I was also considering that I could keep Keeshi from getting nightkilled - barring me getting roleblocked again, which seemed unlikely - and had I successfully protected her, I'd have had confirmation that she was town). If there had been a chance after the claim of Keeshi getting the noose instead I'd have switched my vote, but there wasn't.
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« Reply #384 on: April 08, 2008, 05:28:01 PM »
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I said as well that I supported lynching Tom over Keeshi (I was also considering that I could keep Keeshi from getting nightkilled - barring me getting roleblocked again, which seemed unlikely -

I just remembered I edited out the first reference to getting roleblocked, so that makes no sense. I was roleblocked Night 1, preventing me from saving Carthrat. Yeah, that was annoying.
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« Reply #385 on: April 08, 2008, 07:07:14 PM »
Shale, I know there is a doc, so I'm inclined to believe you. Keeshi's death was prevented, and no one has flipped any other role to protect her. Corwin hasn't tried a counter claim. Which rings as an uber scum move now. I know I'm town, and not a doctor. I'm just plain town. If Corwin was town/doc, he'd pipe in his counter claim. There'd be no reason not to. It'd help save him, and I wouldn't know who to believe. It would also get me thinking about who the real doctor could be. It'd be a neutral move.

It would prove to the real doctor that the other guy is scum and lying, but to no one else. It would at least bring it to a cross roads of me having to vote for one or the other and making a guess. Which would help for both sides.

Now, since Corwin HASN'T claimed bullshit on this. I know I'm town. I'm pretty sure there's a doctor, and if Corwin isn't claiming it... There's only one choice left...

Corwin is scum. Even if he were to claim now, I wouldn't believe it. Why didn't he try to claim before when he had the chance???

I know its early in the day, but I haven't got any other thoughts on the matter. Having looking back on both of your posts tonight, I'll give a few hours for you two to reply. After that, I'm voting Corwin unless thoroughly convinced otherwise.

I may have just given scum the game. But I know I'm town. I've got a 50% chance of laying the right vote. I just hope the other townie does the same.

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« Reply #386 on: April 08, 2008, 07:10:17 PM »
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And yes, it does place me out of suspicion, barring a counterclaim from Ryogo (which would announce to me that he's the scum), unless you have an explanation for how a town with one cop and the rest of the population vanilla can stop a kill.

And yet, all we have it your word on what happened that night. Perhaps Ryogo is town and has roleblock (scum did have one). Perhaps the scum chose not to kill that night (more implausible than a self-protecting doc?) Perhaps a lot of things. Quite a few of them sound more plausible to me than this whole "I'm town, I've been very spot on with my powers, vie for my attention" thing you've got going. I can't help but feel it's designed to have Ryogo and myself turn against one another, and the only reason I see for that is that you're scum trying to win effortlessly here. You guessed right on who would get killed night 1 and tried to save poor Rat! Except no, you got roleblocked. But then you guessed right again! And by guarding yourself, no less. Sadly, the more information you had about the games and the remaining players, the less accurate (read: not at all) you were, but such is life, right?

Yeah, no.

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I could have? He didn't post until ten minutes to deadline and I didn't actually see it until later than that, because I was writing my own post at the time, looking over Alex's answers to the questions I'd asked by IM.

http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=673.msg14826#msg14826

You post it at « Reply #373 on: April 07, 2008, 04:14:29 AM » (my time)
Ryogo's post is next in line, at: « Reply #374 on: April 07, 2008, 04:18:05 AM »

Ryogo's previous posts indicate he thinks Alex is scummy. Ryogo's post #374 indicates he it present. Your own post requests a time extension to catch up on things. Given Cid was kind enough to post for you what you said in IM, I somehow doubt he would've been an ass about this. And I have good reason to believe you know this.

This is your actual follow-up post+vote: « Reply #375 on: April 07, 2008, 04:29:32 AM »

I think you could've reasonably asked for a bit more time to get a decision, and under the circumstances we would've gotten it (Cid did extend that day already due to Otter, and it was clearly not enough to let you catch up). So yes, I think that you should've gone for who was the scummiest-looking to you, and not defaulted to 'oh well that dude looks awkward too, I don't mind seeing him hang'. Because what it really shows me is that you didn't care who hung as long as it got you to lylo guilt-free.

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And yes, you said later you were preparing a post when hammer fell. So did Cranbud in the Discworld game (granted, it also happened to me that on the last day of Touhou). You didn't say anything beforehand and you can say whatever you want to afterward, so I'm not going to write it off entirely.

Did they leave a post and a vote in the evening, had the person they stated in advance they wanted to hear a defense from finally post it around 4am their time, and then had people hammer the whole thing at ~8:17am? When the earliest I ever get to work is 8am, give or take half an hour?

I find this incredibly petty of you. I've not challenged your claims of limited/lack of access the past day (because I doubt Cid would aid you in such a scheme, and because it's just plain lame to pull something like this). Why aren't you extending me the same courtesy? To paint me in a bad light, maybe, I dunno. What could I possibly say MORE? That YES, I want to hear Tom's defense? That wasn't clear to you? That YES, I'd like to comment on it, maybe? Sure, next time I'll wake up some time during the night to check mafia and make a post of 'don't hammer too soon plz kthx'.

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« Reply #387 on: April 08, 2008, 07:26:17 PM »
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Shale, I know there is a doc, so I'm inclined to believe you

...what? You know there's a doc? How exactly would you know that if you were town without an investigative role?! More specifically, Keeshi was modkilled, stated so specifically. You say you're believing Shale's roleclaim... while disregarding who he claims as a target that night! At the same time!!!

Either you haven't read our posts very clearly, or your logic is horrible. Atrocious.

Or you're the remaining scum and you've just made a telling scumtell in a rush to side with a claimed roll. Of course, this would mean Shale is suspicious but town, and his weird claim as well as strange lack of accuracy as the game went on are true. Dammit, I don't know anymore.

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Even if he were to claim now, I wouldn't believe it.

I claimed already! I claimed vanilla! How could you not notice this, I started the post with it! How would this elude you on a read on my posts?

Man, I just don't care anymore. Either this is horrible newbiness that will cost the game no matter what I say, or you've tricked me this entire game, so congrats on that.

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« Reply #388 on: April 08, 2008, 07:34:10 PM »
Okay, now you've both claimed vanilla town. So what are the options for that kill then? Scum chose not to kill anyone, for some reason? Cid decided to arbitrarily deny them a nightkill because Keeshi was withdrawing from the game, and then made a point of not saying that (telling us that Keeshi had left on her own, that no nightkill happened that night and it was up to us to figure out why), just to screw with us?

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I can't help but feel it's designed to have Ryogo and myself turn against one another, and the only reason I see for that is that you're scum trying to win effortlessly here.

Or because we can win this thing more easily with one confirmed townie than with neither of us knowing who's who. When I made that roleclaim, I knew that the only options were for one of you to make a counterclaim, thus proving to me who the real scum was, or for it to stand, thus letting the other townie know that I was telling the truth. Either way, there are only two suspects instead of three, so somebody knows who to trust.

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You guessed right on who would get killed night 1 and tried to save poor Rat! Except no, you got roleblocked. But then you guessed right again! And by guarding yourself, no less. Sadly, the more information you had about the games and the remaining players, the less accurate (read: not at all) you were, but such is life, right?

I got lucky on night 1, picking the person who seemed to be playing the best game without being too aggressive toward anyone in particular - someone the scum would want gone before they could do any serious scumhunting, but whose death wouldn't implicate anyone specific. That was the first and last good call I made. Protecting myself was pure luck - I couldn't think of any likely target with Keeshi gone, so I went for the easy choice and won the proverbial lotto. Night 3's target was Alex, who seemed the least likely to get lynched the next day, and was who I would have killed if I were scum. Night 4 was a toss-up between me and you - Alex seemed like he'd be easy to get at least one vote on, and Ryogo could fall to LAL. I went for self-protection again, on the logic that, all else being equal, I should protect the player I know is town. I still don't get the logic behind an Alex kill, but I've been over that already.

Also, if I wanted Day 4 to end effortlessly, why post at all? I could have just read the topic with a guest account until hammer fell, either from OK coming in like he said he would earlier or from Cid applying my vote as requested, and then apologized today for not getting home in time. I was trying to get it right.
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« Reply #389 on: April 08, 2008, 07:43:37 PM »
I'm sorry, I just can't get past
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Shale, I know there is a doc, so I'm inclined to believe you. Keeshi's death was prevented, and no one has flipped any other role to protect her.

The lack of attention at such a crucial point needed to do this as town is staggering. As scum, it'd pretty much be sucking up to town and hoping any discrepancies and bad logic either go unnoticed (it helps that he's saying he's enforcing an early deadline despite lylo) or waved off as newbie play.

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« Reply #390 on: April 08, 2008, 07:52:39 PM »
I'm not sure whether to consider that a scumtell or a badly timed leap to conclusions. It's information that a vanilla townie couldn't possibly have, and it's also something that the scum would know is wrong, since Keeshi wasn't on the menu that night; I was.

Also, he isn't the first person to assume that happened:

(seems very likely that scum targeted Keeshi, who was defended in some way and thereby avoided a kill, but had to withdraw anyhow).


So, Keeshi must have come out with the open claim due to knowing she had something that might come up and prevent her from playing, but was either protected by a doc or scum wanted to confuse us and targetted someone else protected by a doc or someone who was bullet-proof.  I lean towards a doc, personally, but I'm not going to look too far into this as that's a whole can of idiotic worms to focus on that probably will cause more bad than good. 
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« Reply #391 on: April 08, 2008, 08:03:21 PM »
Yes, but those posts were made before you claimed and said you protected yourself AND prevented a hit on yourself. If we believe that, and I can't accept anyone deciding to vote in lylo without actually, you know, fully reading our posts, especially those containing roleclaims... yeah, that's different. Scum could well have hit Keeshi and gotten blocked there, then she dropped out. It was a possible assumption to make until your claim. Given no counter claims... no. Either you're scum and lying about the whole thing, or you protected yourself. There is no possible way to get to that conclusion at this time, and the only reason I see for making it is by slipping up while trying to suck up to you and trying to get on your side as a 'helpless new player'.

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« Reply #392 on: April 08, 2008, 08:07:18 PM »

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Even if he were to claim now, I wouldn't believe it.

I claimed already! I claimed vanilla! How could you not notice this, I started the post with it! How would this elude you on a read on my posts?

I meant claimed as a doctor. Sorry if I was unclear there.

Keeshi was modkilled, yes. But if that was the case, where was the kill that night? If scum had've targeted her, it would've been simpler to just say she got NK'ed and save all the confusion. I can't see Cid trying to throw that stuff just to throw town off completely...

Shale claiming he protected himself is messed up though... I just assumed that scum tried to kill Keeshi, doc protected, but Keeshi left anyways.
My question now is... If I didn't know at that Keeshi's death played out as such with the night choices, how do the both of you know? I mean, I wasn't aware that Shale chose to protect himself. Or that a new choice would've been allowed after Keeshi dropped that night. If this was the case, then a NK still would've been possible, and still prevented.
Either way, How would the other townies know about this Corwin? You seem too knowledgeable about that. Either way, there was no night kill that night. How else can it be explained?
Personally, it doesn't make a difference if its lynch or lose for me. It's STILL a 50% chance of me guessing right.

Still have the Corwin vote ready to go unless convinced otherwise.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Shale and Corwin.

I'm also not a roleblocker. There's not another one in the game other than the scum. For I am vanilla town.
And Shale's points I've said in my post above. I can't disagree with him there.

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Re: Composer Battle Is Go! THE TREBLE CLEF IS YOUR DOOM!
« Reply #393 on: April 08, 2008, 08:14:18 PM »
So you think, say, scum going 'no kill' is less plausible than a doc going 'I'm protecting myself', being allowed to do that AND scum hitting him just right? I'm sorry, I don't. You don't seem to challenge Shale's ascertion that there was a night kill attempt that night. Not even the possibility of anything else enters your posts. How can you have such certainty as town?

And 50% chance? I think it's closer to a hundred. I think you're perfectly honest when you say you don't care who you vote for, just that it won't be 'guessing right' for you. And you sided with the role claim because you knew it had to be true, since you tried to kill Shale and failed and you know that as town he would have no reason to lie. So you accept it as gospel from the start, keep on the hype, and hope you coast all the way to victory.

You can't disagree with Shale? Even when he characterises your words as "I'm not sure whether to consider that a scumtell or a badly timed leap to conclusions."? Did you even read his post before you said you 'agreed' with him?

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« Reply #394 on: April 08, 2008, 08:15:45 PM »
Wait, what the hell....you accept my claim that I'm the doc, but you apparently didn't read my claim, if you're wondering how Cor knew I protected myself.

Oh, and one other thing. Roleclaim: I'm the doc. I protected myself night 2, blocking the kill. My original target that night was Keeshi, but I was allowed to pick a new player to guard when she dropped out. Lucky for me, I couldn't think of anyone and defaulted to self-defense.
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Re: Composer Battle Is Go! THE TREBLE CLEF IS YOUR DOOM!
« Reply #395 on: April 08, 2008, 08:19:15 PM »
Wait, what the hell....you accept my claim that I'm the doc, but you apparently didn't read my claim, if you're wondering how Cor knew I protected myself.

Oh, and one other thing. Roleclaim: I'm the doc. I protected myself night 2, blocking the kill. My original target that night was Keeshi, but I was allowed to pick a new player to guard when she dropped out. Lucky for me, I couldn't think of anyone and defaulted to self-defense.

No, I read how "he knew". I saw the post. I just worded that funny, and couldn't think of a better way to say it. It just seems like Corwin knows more about it than he should. That was the point I was getting at.

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« Reply #396 on: April 08, 2008, 08:25:22 PM »
This more of why I wanted the day to end sooner or later, it would just end to a lot of arguing between the three of us. I just wanted to get this last day over with. Cor, if you're not scum, I'm sorry. I've never played a game before, I didn't know that a doc couldn't protect himself normally :S

I still don't know what to say. I know why I'm here this day. It IS so I can be manipulated to do someone else's stuff and get the scum bandwagon going. I'm the newb, both of you know that. You also both know I've never been in a LYLO situation, which is favourable for the scum. I've also been dropping scumtells left and right, from what I've gathered from other posts. What scum WOULDN'T want me in this situation?

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« Reply #397 on: April 08, 2008, 08:25:37 PM »
I think you're the one who knows more than you should. And I think I've been giving you a pass for newbiness far too much, and overlooked slips too long.

So. You still seem intent on resolving all this now? How about you, Shale? If so, I'll be going to bed within the hour, so we can resolve things within this time.

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« Reply #398 on: April 08, 2008, 08:29:17 PM »
Ugh. "I've been scummy, but it's actually all a master plot of scum so ignore all that. And the scum is Corwin without a doubt, except I'm guessing and I have a 50/50 chance of hitting right."

That pretty much sums up your defense, Ryogo. I'm not buying it, and not just because it relies on me being scum to really work.

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« Reply #399 on: April 08, 2008, 08:32:21 PM »
If you've felt that way before today, why didn't you do anything about it? To set me up for today? Its the only reasoning I can see. Others felt the same way, and if you truly did to, Why didn't everyone pursue it then? I'm still telling you all I'm Vanilla Town. And it doesn't look like this game is going to end in my favour, the town side.

EDIT: Ugg. Ninja'd. I can't say anything to that. Its a 50/50 guess, but I lean towards guessing you.