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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1250 on: January 03, 2016, 07:50:53 PM »
The question I have is why the requisite FFX armor giveaway is only a 2 star.  I guess FFX doesn't have much incidental equipment but even a very early player doesn't have much use for 2 star armors.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1251 on: January 03, 2016, 08:09:10 PM »
Okay that one is a good question.  That is a shit catch up mechanic.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1252 on: January 03, 2016, 08:24:12 PM »
Yep, and they're not bad either. You can make a fake 4* after two events in the same realm and they'll be your most useful equipment for a long time within that realm until you get through enough of the Dungeon content to do a few mythril pulls. To add on to Grefter's point, do you really want a bunch of useless 2* and 3* items taking up even more gatcha slots that you can't even combine because there's too much variety?

And, really, they're annoying because they clutter up your inventory? It takes 3 seconds to sell them (and you all have the new AI now), they're all in the same area of the item menu sorted by rarity, and you have to do that shit daily anyway if you're doing the free daily pulls.

EDIT: CK, for early events, all the catchup equipment is 2*. Maybe 3* somewhere in the back half of the events, but the autobattle portions are always 2*.

If you want a more valid version of the complaint, having 1* and 2* equipment drop in 90+ level Classic Dungeons. THAT doesn't make any sense. By the time you're at that part in the Dungeon Update, you're well past the need for catchup gear.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1253 on: January 03, 2016, 08:24:48 PM »
Also grinding story dungeons for a bunch of quick mithril and doing 11 pulls is a way more efficient catch-up mechanic than a pair of 3 star items per event.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1254 on: January 03, 2016, 08:38:26 PM »
To be clear, my complaint was relatively minor, more just a "bah, more of this crap" style thing than "what the hell game?"  As I said, I fully recognize it's there as a catch up mechanic, and little else.

Though, it reminds me how people say a good idea when you're new is to do the first 50 mithril pull you can ASAP, regardless of banner, since at that point what 5* you get will be hugely valuable, on top of which you're filling your inventory with lots of 3* and possibly 4*, which will be a significant improvement over the 1* and 2* crap you've likely been relying on.


THAT SAID, back to the item drop thing, I seem to recall there was an event that gave an off-Realm item...something like an FF8 event giving an FF5 item?  That makes no sense, since the whole point is "here's some Realm Synergy to give you a fighting chance against some of the harder stuff" without actually being enough for higher end elites (let alone bonus fights.)  Not having realm synergy makes the drops kind of lackluster.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1255 on: January 03, 2016, 09:02:01 PM »
11 pulls is your standard progression loop.  You can't guarantee that you will get a sword.  A catch up mechanic with fixed items smooths that out.

Perspective, if you go back and read when this thing all blew up (Thanks Fen), I got like my first 5* from either login or my third or fourth 11 pull.  RNG is real and catch up mechanics that bypass them are very significant.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1256 on: January 03, 2016, 11:05:56 PM »
The 11 pull statement was more a general thinking out loud thing more than me having any real point, I should have prefaced that I wasn't saying "do this instead!"
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1257 on: January 03, 2016, 11:07:08 PM »
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1258 on: January 03, 2016, 11:52:11 PM »
Saw that on reddit, and thought it was pretty hilarious.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1259 on: January 03, 2016, 11:53:51 PM »
The question I have is why the requisite FFX armor giveaway is only a 2 star.  I guess FFX doesn't have much incidental equipment but even a very early player doesn't have much use for 2 star armors.

That's because, for 2* armors, they give three copies so they can be maxed at a fake 4* within the very event. 2* into fake 4* are comparable to 3* into fake 4* once you account for synergy, and they only hand two of each 3* in the events.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1260 on: January 04, 2016, 02:08:17 AM »
So Terra and Tidus JP banner came and went. I blew nearly all my mythril and got Celes' Excalibur and Tidus's Burst SSB! Excellent results. Terra's would have been nice but Shun ended up pulling it in his first try and I was like "of course you did".

Well I can't complain about the overall result. Finally having a Burst SB is freaking awesome and means that I might actually be able to take on some of the Kyo+ fights. Those New Years fights look daunting though.

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Less exciting stuff to say. Haven't figured out a good plan for Yunalesca yet. Maybe I'll do another Tyro with Retaliate to spam SG?

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1261 on: January 04, 2016, 02:15:46 AM »
I still haven't figured out my Yunalesca setup either. I want to bring Gilgamesh with Drawtaliate in order to shut down her dispelling, but that can lead to screwups with Hellbiter => Mega Death. Y'shtola will be an awkward fit as well, since I already have to bring Yuna... whose relic SBs get spoiled by Yunalesca's mechanics and Holy absorption. Maybe I could bring Yuna with Devotion + two 3* Summons, but that's not a great use of offense. It's a strange fight to plan for.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1262 on: January 04, 2016, 02:41:41 AM »
You mathed out and planned for Exdeath... but not for Yunalesca?



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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1263 on: January 04, 2016, 02:42:21 AM »
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1264 on: January 04, 2016, 12:25:02 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

grefter.gif aside, I have a couple ideas for Yunalesca, I'm just pondering which of them would yield the best results due to the fight having a lot of moving parts. Drawtaliate on Gilgamesh lets me use Protectga/Shellga/Hastega with relative impunity, but I then have to manage Retaliate so Hellbiter doesn't miss him on phase 3 before Megadeath, since I'm not certain Dragoon's Determination/Self-Sacrifice sap lasts that long. If I do, I'm also likely forfeiting Y'shtola, who's a bit of an awkward fit due to the White Mage opening already being pre-slotted by Yuna (whose presence wouldn't normally be a problem to me due to Hymn of the Fayth being amazing, but it overwrites sap and that's deadly on the third phase. May consider using it on phase 2 in order to wall her Holy casts, though). Running an offensive WHM also isn't a great idea due to 'lesca absorbing Holy element. I'll have to experiment a bit to see what works best.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1265 on: January 04, 2016, 01:28:25 PM »
Okay, time to buckle down and try for Lenna's MC2. Gotta deal with Exdeath first. Looking at strategy recommendations the main thing I'm missing is Carbuncle (not enough Greater Summon Orbs), so the second phase is going to hurt - I'll have to save as much mitigation as I can to deal with the threat of double Earthshaker/Vacuum Wave offense.

Boss rush....this is where I'll be burning a ton of mythril, I expect. Particularly for the crystals. Not at all sure I can beat them even with 30+ mythril to use for revives, but I'll give it a shot.

Antlion will get full on sleep cheese. My only worry is possibly not having enough offensive magic to whittle him down.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1266 on: January 04, 2016, 01:55:45 PM »
Okay, time to buckle down and try for Lenna's MC2. Gotta deal with Exdeath first. Looking at strategy recommendations the main thing I'm missing is Carbuncle (not enough Greater Summon Orbs), so the second phase is going to hurt - I'll have to save as much mitigation as I can to deal with the threat of double Earthshaker/Vacuum Wave offense. Boss rush....this is where I'll be burning a ton of mythril, I expect. Particularly for the crystals. Not at all sure I can beat them even with 30+ mythril to use for revives, but I'll give it a shot.

Exdeath is very straight-forward, at least, and Slow significantly hampers his effective threat. Tempo Flurry on average should handle it, and Diaga also helps considerably on offense besides holy weakness being a target score, not to mention Princess Favor's high regen + proper. The boss rush isn't -too- bad, though you'll want as much AoE as you possibly can muster, both Dragon Flower and the Crystal Guardians get skewered by it (though, in the Guardians' case, you also have to watch out for their low HP phase, since their MT is nasty). For Atomos, Sleep is a must, his offense in RK isn't much less scary than it is in-game and dying is a much bigger problem here. Other than that, good luck.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1267 on: January 04, 2016, 03:52:07 PM »
So, for the boss rush, bring a whole pile of non-elemental AOE (i.e. Valefor and Ruinga, plus a Blade Beam RW) with Sleep for Atomos? I can do that. I'll probably have to rely on mythril revives to give me more Ruinga charges, I can't afford to hone 4 star magic yet.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1268 on: January 04, 2016, 04:15:21 PM »
If that's what it takes, it's worth it. Blade Beam RW is probably your best bet for trying to rush the Crystals (it feels a bit overkill on the Dragon Flowers, who are quite fragile), though if you have the Spring II RMs, it'll help some as well, but if you don't, I wouldn't fret - use Mythrils instead.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1269 on: January 04, 2016, 05:22:08 PM »
If you don't have Carbuncle, Lure Magic + Reflect is a fantastic substitute.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1270 on: January 04, 2016, 06:16:29 PM »
It is a good combo for spoiling ST magic, but the free Magic Lure copy we got was walled behind a boss rush in Seifer's event, which I don't think Shale has attempted, and it's a 4* ability, with all the orb costs this entail. Reflect is relatively simple to craft in comparison. Another option would be cap-breaking Red XIII for his Auto-Reflect RM, but his MC is guarded by a rather tough Elite dungeon that Shale may not even have unlocked yet.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1271 on: January 04, 2016, 06:26:20 PM »
Exdeath has been dealt with - no mythril needed or Reflect, just S/L to get Tempo Flurry to do its job. Diara/aga was landing for almost 9K a shot, that helped a good deal. Looking at a very magic-heavy party for the boss rush - Vivi slinging Ruinga and Dark, Rydia (freshly MC'd) for Valefor and Sleep, Lenna for healing and Shellga, Sephiroth with Darkmoon, and Gilgamesh drawing all the ST attacks.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1272 on: January 04, 2016, 06:30:37 PM »
Gilgy will be of limited use in the boss rush, sadly - I think only the crystal guardians even use physicals, and they're not very dangerous so just that shared SB Protectga may suffice. That -is- all they use until the low HP phase, though, so there's that.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1273 on: January 04, 2016, 06:32:15 PM »
Oh, I (mis)remembered them as being a thing in the Dragon Flowers battle too. In that case maybe Loserface -- he's got another AOE soul break, that can't hurt.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #1274 on: January 04, 2016, 06:42:30 PM »
The Dragon Pod has physicals, but only uses them when the flowers are alive. And if the flowers are alive, its physicals are the least of your worries because of their status parade. The Dragon Pod's also vulnerable to Stop, so that's an option if you feel you can't properly keep the flowers weeded constantly.
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