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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2550 on: May 18, 2016, 12:48:58 PM »
Yeah, won't lie, my initial plan was Banishing Blade. It went exactly as you would have expected. I suppose I just got lucky with Full Break always hitting, cuz that snek's evade is naturally high af. Saint's Cross regularly only ever got one hit off, to the point where I stopped bothering and focused on SB spam.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2551 on: May 18, 2016, 12:58:25 PM »
Dropped Cagnazzo, missing only one actions medal. That and the ultimate are both super luck based with all the status you have to avoid (especially slow), but once things fell into place it worked out pretty handily. Although for the U that meant S/L'ing over and over until I got a run where the counter stun never landed outside of times when I was about to refresh Shout anyway.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2552 on: May 18, 2016, 01:58:21 PM »
Dropped Cagnazzo, missing only one actions medal. That and the ultimate are both super luck based with all the status you have to avoid (especially slow), but once things fell into place it worked out pretty handily. Although for the U that meant S/L'ing over and over until I got a run where the counter stun never landed outside of times when I was about to refresh Shout anyway.

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Edit: The fuck? There's a lightning jump now? When did we get that?

Must have been since the last time I paid attention to dragoons… way back in the Freya release event. ○_○
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2553 on: May 18, 2016, 02:26:14 PM »
Lightning Jump actually dates from -way- back, it came around on Lightning's MC2 event.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2554 on: May 18, 2016, 02:40:59 PM »
Huh... I must have only ever needed Ice and Wind when I was still using Gilgamesh, then. I don't remember that at all.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2555 on: May 18, 2016, 06:00:18 PM »
Welp, time for the Wednesday/Thursday lull. I really should stop finishing events on Tuesday, leaving them for the day with the crappy backup orb, but at this point I have a ton of Black orbs and little to use them on.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2556 on: May 18, 2016, 10:02:15 PM »
I'm stockpiling black orbs for the chain spells. It takes 60 MBO to hone each one to R3, and I definately want to hone Chain Blizzaga/Firaga/Thundaga. Probably Chain Waterga too assuming we get one.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2557 on: May 18, 2016, 11:34:07 PM »
Cagnazzo down finally.  Weird fight, super susceptible to Runic-type abilities so if you've got that and a source of Hastega it's just a matter of shuffling the first two or three turns until you get one where
- Your Runic triggers before he decides to Triple Watera or something
- He doesn't drop Slowga immediately after you Haste up
- He gathers water on turn 1 so you can blast the first on apart and get set up while he's getting another turn.

Deeply silly.  Different at least.  And it doesn't feel quite as awful and Geryon for sheer RNG.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2558 on: May 19, 2016, 12:24:02 AM »
I'm stockpiling black orbs for the chain spells. It takes 60 MBO to hone each one to R3, and I definately want to hone Chain Blizzaga/Firaga/Thundaga. Probably Chain Waterga too assuming we get one.

Well, yes, but we have two orbfests before that and I'm already sitting on nearly a thousand 3* BOs, over a hundred GBOs and 61 MBOs. I'm pretty confident I can get at least one or two of those 5*s reasonably honed.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2559 on: May 19, 2016, 01:17:05 AM »
Yeah uh there's not really a pressing need to be stockpiling for content 6 months from now, especially since Greater orb event rewards start being your main source of orb income somewhere around the most recent orbfest.

Not to advocate not farming but worring about honing chain skills now in global is something crazy people do.

Right up there with making accounts "for your brother's ipad" and then just playing a second global account.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2560 on: May 19, 2016, 01:20:14 AM »
Well sure, but why hone just 1 or 2 of them when you could R3 all of them ASAP? Maybe I'm just being greedy.

Personally I've found that I can do the entire pre-Ultimate part of an event just on Monday evening and Thursday post-work, so there's no reason (save impatience) not to farm Tuesdaily and Wednesdaily full time every week there isn't an orbfest or something like that.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2561 on: May 19, 2016, 01:54:27 AM »
I've decided that given the way DeNA likes to say "Screw you, here's a new random event!" that stops me from doing meaningful content, I'm going to ignore Dailies for a while and just do dungeon content until they're all done so I can get those out of the way finally, thus focus entirely on dailies and grinding when Events are done!

...anyway, finished everything but FF13 stuff, which I have 6 more elites left. 
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2562 on: May 19, 2016, 02:08:28 AM »
Oh yeah, I'd definately prioritize story dungeons over literally any daily. They're better even if you look at it purely in terms of orbs:stamina, let alone the mythril and stamina shards. Oh yeah, and the fact that dungeons have actual gameplay content instead of mindless farming.

...this reminds me of one guy on reddit who made a thread asking about stamina efficiency w/ dailies, who said in the comments that he doesn't do any story dungeons because he didn't care about stamina shards *or* orbs *or* Mythril. Which made you wonder why the hell he even bothers with dailies.

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« Reply #2563 on: May 19, 2016, 02:37:55 AM »
Farming dailies with sub-90 stamina sounds like the spawn of fucking Satan, for starters. Reddit houses some really scary people.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2564 on: May 19, 2016, 03:11:30 AM »
Personally I've been doing Wednesdaily lately because I am painfully low on Lightning orbs (and Wind never hurts either).  Still have to do FF4 Ultimates tomorrow.

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« Reply #2565 on: May 19, 2016, 03:25:18 AM »
I mean let me be clear I still farm religiously because I got problems, just saying saving for Chain Agas isn't a good excuse.

Also Thursdaily worst daily. Even Mondaily is better.

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« Reply #2566 on: May 19, 2016, 03:29:36 AM »
Right up there with making accounts "for your brother's ipad" and then just playing a second global account.

I did that literally only for the Lucky Draw chain days, he said he didn't like the game anymore, and I just dropped it.  My mom still plays like once a day though, so there's that.



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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2567 on: May 19, 2016, 01:30:41 PM »
Farming dailies with sub-90 stamina sounds like the spawn of fucking Satan, for starters. Reddit houses some really scary people.

Also people with lots of really weird logic.

For example, a large number of redditors wave this "Celes for Ultimate MVP because of Magic Shield!!!" hype like mad, and then at the same time, go "Yuna's SSB is pretty blech" even though Yuna's SSB is literally Magic Shield with notable AoE damage attached.  Sure, she's usually twinked for mind, but even if it did just like 4k damage, that's 4k damage Celes' Default doesn't do.  Sorry, but you can't go screaming one SB is awesome when a Clearly Superior SB is useless.

Likewise, they froth at the mouth over Cecil's BSB because the En-holy + Holy damage!  Then go "meh, Tidus' BSB isn't that good, bad entry level damage"...uh, Cecil's entry level damage is no better than Tidus', and it's not a given that you'll have Basch's Shield to compliment Cecil's BSB.  Also, Tidus' BSB isn't anywhere near as screwed by Water resistance since it's Water/Non as Cecil is by Holy resistance, since Tidus AT WORST loses 33% damage, while Cecil can lose anywhere from 50% to all his damage if Holy is resisted.  Granted, Cecil's does boost Saint Cross, which is really the main thing it has going for it over Tidus', but to pretend one is GODLIKE while the other is meh...yeah, I don't buy it.

And I'm pretty sure a few people hyped Yang as one of the best Monks, even though stat wise he's nothing special (maybe he's the best here but it's not by a margin that matters), his SB(s) are pretty standard (as opposed to, say, Zell who gets an instant SSB that also gives a strong self-buff), and his skillset is average at best for a Monk (several most Monks have Combat 5/Monk 5, he has Celerity 3, but there are many with Celerity 4, plus people like Jecht with Darkness 5, Yda w/ Support 4, or Snow's Saint Crossetc), and no real stand out gimmicks like Yda's swords, Refia's throwing weapons, or Jecht's legitimate variety.  Nope, YANG IS ONE OF THE BEST!

Then there was the person who said using Hand of the Victor on Cagnazzo Ultimate+ to get the Ice req to free up space.  So let me get this straight; let's use our Record Materia slot for the CHANCE to turn the action you'd never do otherwise to hit a weakness, in a fight that is HEAVILY RNG DEPENDENT?  Am I reading that right?

I find Reddit best used for finding objective info and humor things (FFRK Experience is hilarious), but their opinions can get a little off the wall.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2568 on: May 19, 2016, 01:36:05 PM »
I don't have the time nor the crayons to explain to you why default SBs are held to a different standard than SSBs.

Also, ignoring skillsets, you are going to fight waaaaaay more holy-weak bosses than Water-weak bosses. Including skillsets, you already explained why Cecil's BSB gets more hype than Teeda's.

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« Reply #2569 on: May 19, 2016, 02:08:24 PM »
It's not the Default vs. SSB thing, it's the fact that people were acting like Yuna's doesn't have any real use and pretending it was complete garbage when obviously if you DID get it, it'd be straight up better than Celes, but they chose to hand wave that.  Heck, the argument when someone called them out wasn't even "well, Celes' SB is something you WILL have if you have the character, Yuna's there's a good chance you won't" nor was it a case of "suggesting people use Celes' SB and not Yuna's" because of that; it was people hand-waiving Yuna's as "useless" while holding Celes' to this "be all end all answer to all Ultimates!" level.

Basically, it wasn't "it's unimpressive for an SSB", it was just handwaived as straight up unimpressive period.  Cloud's Blade Beam is Unimpressive for an SSB, for example, but as a general Soul Break, it's still stronger (elemental concerns aside) than any non-SSB and AoE, so you can't argue it's a BAD Soul Break.  The context was in regards to banners and people were comparing it to Soul Breaks in general; if it was compared to other SSBs, that'd be a different story.  If you go argue it's not worth pulling for, ok, fair, but to just go "nope, it's bad!" is completely different.

also, the Holy Weak thing is something that they never brought up, it was all "OMG EN-HOLY ON A PURE HOLY SKILLSET!"  To put another way, Tidus clearly outdamages Cloud's BSB, pretty notably too and doesn't rely on RNG the way Cloud's does, but they hyped Cloud as having a superior BSB to Tidus, using "entry level damage lol" as the excuse even though Cecil has the exact same issue, and while there are more Holy weak enemies, they're still a minority and thus if Cloud's BSB > Tidus' on average enemy, the same argument applies to Cecil; you can argue to a lower extent, but it's still there.


What I'm saying is even if they have a good premise, they are awful at defending it since their reasons are bull****.  Frankly, your "Holy weak enemy" thing is a better defense than what they were using, as they were assuming things like Basch's Shield.  Curiously, what weapon gave Cecil his BSB?  It's important because if it was Excalibur, that'd be a +20% boost right there that I don't think Tidus gets, which yeah, would be another point in it's favor...a point they conveniently didn't bring up as well.  Yes, they put greater emphasis on Basch's Shield than the fact that there's multiple Excaliburs boosting Holy damage running around.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2570 on: May 20, 2016, 01:17:05 AM »
Uninstalled.  These Ultimates are driving me nuts and I can't just skip them because I feel like I'll be hurting down the road if I do.  Better if I just don't play so I don't break my phone in half.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2571 on: May 20, 2016, 03:15:01 AM »
Sadface. I liked CmdrKing's posts. Hope you'll at least keep posting about your other mobile game experiences - FFBE and KH and such.

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« Reply #2572 on: May 20, 2016, 03:29:45 AM »
Uninstalled.  These Ultimates are driving me nuts and I can't just skip them because I feel like I'll be hurting down the road if I do.  Better if I just don't play so I don't break my phone in half.

Sucks. I had a lot of fun reading your posts on the game. But hey, it's healthier for you this way.

Anyhow, done with FF3's bonus battles. They're very straightforward, but suckass synergy = I'm playing it completely safe. THIS SAID, I nabbed Arc's Holy Wand from the 100-gem draw, which is both a neat addition to my WM arsenal and a welcome surprise for the upcoming White Mage Nightmare. Anyhow!

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SG RW

Suddenly, his doubleact buffing isn't so evil when I'm dealing damage while dispelling. No petrifying physicals also eases on the pressure. Very straightforward, just keep mitigation up, use Banishing Strike when needed and you're set.

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HotE RW

Once again, straightforward. I brought Y'shtola with a Breakdown to ensure maximum mitigation, which paid off, since Bahamut also has AoE physicals and they do add up. Late in the fight, the Flares get pretty nasty, but Arc's RES +50% on his healing was a nice padding breather (lowered Flare to a low 2HKO when SSII was down between refreshes). I used three charges of SSII here, which... yeah, pretty much says it all. If you lack native Hastega or Wall, your life will be sorta miserable unless you have a lot of offense to compensate.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2573 on: May 20, 2016, 03:53:09 AM »
Leviabeetus Ultimate beaten!
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RW was Magitek Infusion.  Didn't want to bother with Dispel, so I went with Reflect strategy instead.  Worked well outside of Blood of the Espers proccing and randomly smacking someone else.  It did proc later in the fight when he lost reflect and he did get hasted but by then the fight was under control, so whatever.  Mage meta worked well is what I'm saying.


Mage Meta does not work on Bahamut due to his resistance to all status, and how it basically begs for a bunch of physical tricks, including the one element magic can't hit so...



RW: Shout.

Took me a few attempts.  First was trying without Shout but HotE instead.  I realized by the time Mega Flare dropped, my DPS wasn't high enough, ok then.  Next few attempts, I just try to learn the timing of Mega Flare and realize Bartz needs to fire off Veil of Annulment before Auron's 2nd Banishing Strike and Vaan's first Pyroclasm, and I need to have a HotF in queue for response.  Ultimately, Mega Flare is just too hard to control and Sentinel Grimoire isn't reliable.

...then I smack myself realizing the answer is obvious: Give Vaan Magic Breakdown.  Thief's Raid isn't damaging enough on him (only 4 hits), and Magic Breakdown would allow control over both Flare and Mega Flares.  On top of this, I swapped Bartz's Dismissal for Armor Break mostly because I figure the slight damage boost it gives overall would offset Dismissal's advantages.  Anyway, the winning run is what I showed above and yes, my Synergy basically amounted to 2 4* items, one of which didn't get used against Bahamut.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2574 on: May 20, 2016, 03:54:46 AM »
Yeah I eventually had to give up on Bahamut U+, even with all my wind damage at the time it just wasn't happening for basically all the reasons you just said.

Also sorry to hear is Capn but yeah if it's just frustrating no reason to keep playing. We'll always have Fallen London.

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