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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3525 on: December 13, 2016, 04:33:25 PM »
Beat Nightmare Atomos.  That fight was utterly straight forward and simple compared to most Nightmares.  Beat it with a single medal lost on turns.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3526 on: December 13, 2016, 04:53:45 PM »
Wheeeeee, FF6 event fully downed. Guardian was touch and go for a while until I decided to toss Locke out of my party despite his shiny shiny Valiant Strike, and bring in Strago instead. I still might not have pulled it off had Setzer not rolled a 6 on Dice after he ran out of hones, dealing fixed 6666 damage to the boss right as my Onionburst RW had expired and damage to knock off that last sliver of health got waaaaaay harder to come by.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3527 on: December 15, 2016, 11:55:07 PM »
Thanks for the advice from before Zenny, much appreciated. Now have three copies of Lifesiphon  (Cloud, Tyro, Ramza), a copy of Wrath (Wakka), removed the second level cap for Tidus and Cloud, and obtained Ace Striker and Mako Might :) Between Crisis Core event and next event should be able to get Tyro and Ramza limit broken next, then get Dr Mog's Teachings record materia,  so definitely well on the way to having all the pieces fall into place for my team, thanks~

Struggling with FFVI Ultimate though, I should make a Slowga for Tyro or Vanille, maybe?
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3528 on: December 16, 2016, 12:28:27 AM »
Tempo Flurry is never a bad idea, if you're looking for suggestions for Slow proccing.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3529 on: December 17, 2016, 01:46:46 AM »
Slow is a pain in the ass to inflict.  You either use Slowga, and dedicate an entire moveslot just to hit with Slow (which I personally hate doing), have a Soul Break that inflicts (I have 3 100% Slow Soul Breaks go figure...), or use Tempo Flurry and hope it procs.  I always hate seeing "INFLICT WITH SLOW!" because it's a pain in the ass to get that. 

Tempo Flurry, in any event, is usually my go-to if I simply don't want to swap in one of my 100% Slow Soulbreakers.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3530 on: December 18, 2016, 01:13:20 AM »
Not sure if they were going to re-release Terra's Tiara during the OSB event like in Japan, I decided to do an 11 pull on the banner and got Sabin's Godhand.  Eh, it's not another Chocobo Brush at least, so I can't be too upset.

Then did 100 Gem draw on Angeal 2...and got Ragnarok.

...yeah, I think I lost the right to complain for a while...
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3531 on: December 19, 2016, 10:03:11 AM »
Quick, Zenny's gone. Time to theorize about potential skillsets for FFXV bois!

So obviously FFXV characters are gonna happen at some point relatively soon in RK. It just makes good business sense.

I'm thinking they will probably slow-drip release them. First Noctis (and possibly Luna?). Then the other 3 main bros. Then probably two or three at a time for all the important side characters like the Marshall, the king, the villains, etc.

Since I'm not very far in the game, I can only speculate on Noctis and the bros. But it'd be interesting to see other ideas on the side characters. Depending on what the side characters can do would probably effect what abilitysets the main four get.

Noctis (Magic/Physical hybrid DPS)
Combat 5, Dragoon 5, Spellblade 5
Black 5, Ninja 5, Summon?
He's clearly the best at using Magic/Elemency in the game, and no one else really seems great at it, so he's a good candidate to be the Black Mage, but I like him as a proper usable hybrid. Dragoon for his Warp Strike stuff (I'd be happy to see a new Dragoon 5 ability actually called Warp Strike with some kind of Jump charge, but also grants self-Haste or something.)
Daggers, Swords, Spears, Axes, Guns, Light Armor, Helmets, Hats
No dedicated mage weapons, but there's plenty of magic-boosting Swords/Daggers/Guns at this point so he could work as either.

Ignis (Healer/Support)
Support 5, Ranger 5
White 5, Bard 5
White 5/Support 5 is already a pretty strong combo, even in current RK Meta. This kind of small skillset might work fine. He's clearly the only one in the group who does any kind of healing skills, so he's basically the White Mage. Luna could be a White Summoner and then that might force Iggy into a different role, though. Bard 5 is just kinda random to be honest. If you wanted to make him more physical DPS oriented, you could give him Knight 4, but that might be unbalanced?
Daggers, Spears, Thrown, Rods, Staves, All armor but Helmets

Prompto
Celerity 5, Machinist 5, Thief 4?, Ranger 5?
Black 4, Dancer?!, Bard?!
His best use is probably just Machinist stuff. He's fast, so a Thief build would work. His first skill is basically Aim, so Celerity works. Ranger and Machinist don't seem to be on the same characters for whatever reason so maybe both is overkill. Machinist would be his primary and then try to build from there. Black for some other status options, though he probably would have lower magic than Noct. He does seem to be one of the better ones to give it to in-game though. Bard and Dancer just to add skill diversity?
Daggers, Guns, Bows, Thrown, GUNARMS?!, Light armor, Robes, Hats, Helmets

Gladiolus
Combat 5, Knight 5, Samurai 5
Tank-type character. If you wanted him to stand out, give him Support 5. Straightforward otherwise. He probably needs a really awesome Soul Break. I like the idea of letting him be a third Wall user.
Daggers, Swords, Katanas, Axes, Hammers, All armor but Robes/Hats

Meeple will probably have better ideas, having played more of the game. I just had fun theorizing about it.

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« Reply #3532 on: December 21, 2016, 01:06:23 AM »
First off, there's no way Noctis is going to be like that.  Look how many 5* skills he has, and he's not a gimmick character like Tyro or Onion Knight (...or intentionally overpowered like Orlandu...).  Next off, Ignis is totally the mage; he gets a unique team up move which is basically him scanning the enemy on the spot and then using the appropriate elemental flask he pulls out of his ass on them.  Considering he's the team strategist, this only fits further.  Noctis is only the "best mage" because he's the player character and is intentionally "best at everything."  This is more nature of the game's design than actually a quirk of the character, if that makes sense.


So a more realistic look at FF15 characters, I'd say?

Noctis: Combat 5, Celerity 5, Support 3, Black 4, Spellblade 4, Darkness 4
Equipment: Basically every Melee Weapon except Fists + Guns and Bows.  Armor can be everything but Robes.

Noctis' variety came from his weapons, not his skillset, so he should have a godly equipment selection ala Firion, not a godly skillset.  That said, Warp Strike is his trademark, so Chaincharging feels natural fit for that, with the "Hit Fast, then POUND THE GUY WHILE HE'S DOWN" aspect.  Black 4 is there because Ring of Lucis and all that, but I don't think he hsould be a full on Black Mage. Spellblade 4 feels fitting, though I didn't give him 5 for a reason I'll cover later.  Darkness 4 is the best we can get for covering the whole "Royal Arms" aspect having the HP Drawback, but I felt going Darkness 5 is too much.  Getting stuff like Dragoon 5 and Samurai 5 is basically equivalent to saying "Lance = AUTO DRAGOON LEVELS!" and such, and I just can't except that since being an ARPG, they're naturally going to be more elaborate in that regard.

Gladio: Combat 5, Knight 5, Samurai 4
Equipment: Swords, Katanas, Axes (just seems fitting), all armors save for Robes

This is very similar to Leo, yes, but I don't think Samurai 5 QUITE fits him, so 4 feels more fitting.  Gladio is the team tank and basically a Knight, so it's just a very fitting build.

Ignis: Black 5, Ninja 5, Celerity 4, Support 3, Chef 5
Equipment: Spears, Rods, Staves, Throwing, Light Armor, Hats (...god damn it Ex-death making this NOT a given...), Robes

Yeah, going for kind of a Fuijin-like build here.  Being the team brains, he should be the mage, but he also fights with dual daggers, so went with the Ninja side of things as well.   Given his fighting style, some form of Celerity feels like a must, and Support 3 because he can inflict status.   

Naturally, with Ignis being implemented, they need to make a new skillset in the Chef skillset which can go to...uh...Quina and...uhh...JULYAN MANDERVILLE...who would be so OP she'd put Orlandu to shame...

Prompto: Support 5, Machinist 5, Sharpshooter 5, Bard 4
Equipment: Guns, Bows (Autocrossbow Counts, deal with it!), Light Armor, Hats

Prompto being the gunner means he gets to be token Support 5 character.  He uses Edgar's Tools so he's a clear Machinist 5 as well, and since he's big on the whole shooting things in the face, he gets Sharpshooter 5.  Being the team Cheerleader, I felt that should be represented in some way, hence Bard 4.  Heck, he SINGS IN GAME frequently, what doing the Victory Theme, making up Lyrics to the Chocobo song, etc.


That's the 4 guys, but FF15 does have a few more usable potentials:


Villain: Combat 5, Celerity 4, Darkness 5, Spellblade 5, Black 5
Equipment: Basically the same stuff as Noctis, maybe a bit restricted on weapons, and swapping Shields for Robes

Yeah, keeping him spoiler tagged, so we'll leave him at that.  That said, he's basically a Shonen-rival type villain in the sense of "Similar fighting style of the main" so I made a skillset reflecting that.  Celerity 4 was chosen because I didn't want him to encroach on Noctis having Chaincharge, but instead gave him Spellblade 5 and Black 5 since he's clearly better at those things.  Likewise, Darkness 5 because "Token Villain skillset."


Lunafreya: White 5, Summoner 5
Equipment: Typical Mage gear w/ Lances

Even though she's a non-combatant, she'd work in the sense of RK as being the token White Mage, and her plot does justify her having Summon as well, so she can be token White Mage and Summoner at the same time.  Also, White Mage isn't just stereotyping since she DOES have healing plot powers and the whole "Oracle" angle just screams a White Mage/Summoner build.

Aranea: Combat 5, Dragoon 5, Celerity 3, Knight 3
Equipment: Lances, Heavy Armor, Shields, Light Armor, Hats

Aranea is a Dragoon through and through, so I gave her a typical Dragoon build.  Knight 3 just seems fitting given her personality is a bit on the noble side, and it makes her stand out a bit more, without making her too good.

Iris: Dancer 5
Equipment: ...

...yeah, I got nothing.  Dancer is about the only thing that fits her, and being a temp, I feel I have to address her SOMEHOW.  I'm really struggling with her <_<;

Cor: Combat 5, Knight 5, Support 4, White 4, Spellblade 4
Equipment: Swords, Katanas, Axes, Lances, Heavy Armor, Shields, Light Armor, Hats

Cor is suppose to be an unstoppable badass, and is totally awesome and completely crushes your team in stats for the brief time he's in your team.  As a result, I gave him a badass skillset, and made him a Paladin since it just fits him, hence the White 4.  I specifically avoided giving him Samurai levels as to not made Gladio look like crap.


That should work for FF15 characters for now.  Granted, Noctis will be known very shortly given he's confirmed for RK in Japan already.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3533 on: December 21, 2016, 03:40:19 AM »
Thanks for the advices and infos on Slow all, will keep in Mind :)

Osb fest banners have been revealed, took a look at those elsewhere. Biggest quaundry is Terra's banner being changed from JP, now has the likes of Vanille's Burst, Kain's Burst, also has Ramza's Shout, and Y'shtola's Wall, instead of Asche's Burst, Penelo's Burst, as well as Locke and Aerith stuff. In a general sense and overall the banner now seems overall improved, great banner I think. On an individual level though only really great thing on there now for me would be Terra's OSB and her tiara would be nice too. Otherwise I already have Vanille's, Kain's, Ramza's, and Tyro's Wall, not to mention Y'shtola's will be on upcoming FFXIV banner anyway. Minwu's instant heal would also be nice though for FFII stuffs, but ehhh already have Vanille's for general instant cast heal purposes, and also have Arc's direct upgrade version of Minwu's to boot. Banner also has Steiner's imperil fire which might be nice I guess but isn't a must have for me currently. So really it's only Terra's stuff I would very much like, oh wait Refia's Burst is there too actually which would also be very niiice for me. Would have preferred Asche's, Penelo's, Locke and Aerith stuffs along with Terra's personally. Don't think I can justify going for this banner as is now, given what I already have :(

Rather I think the new goal for me might be the Banner 3 for global OSB. It has Vaan OSB, Maria Burst, Eiko Burst, Agrias Burst, Arc Super, Ovelia Super, Guy Super, Celes Super, and Bartz's Cloak. Only one here I have is Arc's. Wouldn't mind Vaan's OSB and Maria's, Eiko's, Agrias's and Celes's I'd really like, would like Ovelia's for more Tactics stuff, and Guy's wouldn't mind for FFII and imperil earth either.

Either Banner 3 or Banner 4 (Bartz OSB, Tyro OSB, Edge Burst, Hope Burst, Yuna's Chaos Rod, Penelo's Super, Lulu's Super, Paine's Super, and Cloud's Guise) Only have Paine's here ... but the banner doesn't really feel as appealing as Banner 3 personally. Despite having favourite characters like Yuna, Lulu and Penelo on there but might be able to get them from future banners elsewhere. I have Bartz OSB on JP version and like it but ehhh.

Really sort of tempted to pull on Gilgamesh/Krile banner now also with the changes to Terra's banner, this one  looks like a quite good banner too. I have Krile's Sheepsong already though so if I were using her I'm not sure how much opportunity I'd get to use her Burst if I got it anyway!

FFVII banners Reno Burst, Yuffie Burst, Zack Burst, Moogle Dance, Cloud's Guise, and others would be nice, but I'm not exactly lacking in FFVII synergy, having a good deal of FFVII stuffs already, including Cloud's OSB and Aerith's Burst.

Then there is the Nightmare Summoner's draw which is supposed to be coming up eventually which is apparently mage heaven. Might have to wait for a while for that though~

JP version I did a pull on the FFVIII banner in hope of Selphie's Ussb for a healer relic but it only scrounged up one rainbow which was Irvine's Executer. So far I have Bartz OSB, Thunder God Cid Burst, Thunder God Cid Super, Marach's head band, Ramza's Tailwind and Executor. My team is Bartz, Tyro, TG Cid, Black Mage and White Mage, since I want to get the record materias for the latter two so been keeping them in for levelling. I would like to get a proper healer medica soon though so hopefully Sage Lucky or Lucky Pick up banner or something will help with that~
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3534 on: December 21, 2016, 05:28:47 AM »
Banner 4 is honestly pretty meh, if you ask me.  Bartz's OSB is significantly weaker than other elemental OSBs, and it doesn't hit enough extra weaknesses to make up for it (Water and Earth just don't come up often enough), and Tyro's OSB just has a lot of issues.  Cloud's Guise is a bog standard En-Elemental, and he can't use Spellblade 5, so he's limited in it's full potential there.  Intercession is honestly something I haven't gotten use out of much besides being a Medica for FF12 CMs, and Hope's Burst is becoming dated.  Edge's BSB doesn't seem particularly stand out (It's fast, but damage per hit is lower unless I'm missing something?)

I think the best thing about the Banner is Yuna's SSB2, which yeah, is good, but not justification to draw on this banner.

Overall, I'd say Banner 1 and Banner 3 are the big ones here.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3535 on: December 21, 2016, 07:16:00 PM »
Banner 3 is what I have my eyes on. Banner 1 is hella stacked, but I have over half the relics on that banner, not worth the risk for Terra's Tiara and Blood Sword. Meanwhile, Banner 3 has Maria and Eiko BSBs of godliness and only two potential dupes - one of which I wouldn't mind having extra, since FF3 synergy is hard to come by. Agrias BSB is roughly a clone of Beatrix's, but it's good for CM and future-proofing for the impending Imperil mechanics buff, and while I already have Dreamstage, I'm all for improving Ovelia's usability. Everything else would be nice to have.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3536 on: December 21, 2016, 11:22:20 PM »
In my case, Banner 1 has only one relic (Platinum Sword) that I already own, so that's obviously the banner for me. 


That said, Japan's getting their own fest.  Said fest has the following:

-12 Relics per banner
-4 6* Relics per banner (so OSB, USB, or CSB)
-A Noctis OSB (I feel this deserves it's own mention because he's not out yet, but will be like right as the banner drops)
-6 BSBs on each, and the last 2 SSBs

All new relics are 6*s, including a USB for Terra, Cecil and Greg...aka 3 characters who already have OSBs (to be fair, this isn't the first time it happened.  Tyro has an OSB and a USB, while Tidus and WoL have an OSB and CSB each or whatever it's called)
Terra joins Lightning and Yuna in the "+50" Club, I suspect Cloud and maybe Sephiroth will be joining that club very soon given the event coming up surrounding both (which is strange because Cloud just got a BSB2...), but wait and see, etc. 

A bunch of the USBs are damaging ones too, given to DPS characters like Tifa.  Terra, Cecil and Gregs all have an "EX-mode" mechanic (seems Noctis gets something similar in his OSB) which gives them their own personalized boost.  Terra gets +30% Mag and 1/2 Casting times (both stackable with others it seems since it's a unique status), Cecil gets +100% Def and 6000 HP Stock (...they really wanted him to not be obsoleted by his son...), and Greg gets +30% Attack and High Retaliate (...what even IS High Retaliate? Just a retaliate that lasts longer?)  Noctis' unique buff is +30% Atk, Instant Cast, and Stoneskin 30%...on an OSB...uh guys...you do realize OSBs aren't SUPPOSE to have a bunch of side effects (ORLANDU DOESN'T COUNT!), right?
...to be fair, I think the logic here is this is Noctis' only relic and might be it for a long time, so they have to make it absolutely astounding to make it seem more enticing; he has enough catch up as is, and his realm is pretty much going to be non-existent for a while (FFT, FF11 and FF14 still have very limited content in that regard, and they've been around for quite a while now.)  Oh yeah, Terra's gives En-Fire, Cecil's gives En-holy, and Greg's gives En-Crit+50%.


...also all 3 are on the same banner (Noctis is on the first banner).  There are other new 6*s, make no mistake, but you'd think the ones toying with a new mechanic would be separated but nope!
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3537 on: December 21, 2016, 11:59:33 PM »
...hmm. Looks like I might be spending on FFRK JP again after all!

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3539 on: December 22, 2016, 07:40:20 AM »
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3540 on: December 26, 2016, 04:58:51 AM »
So I was thinking about how RK handles characters Elemental Affinities, and figured I'd go through with who gets what and how fitting it is and what they SHOULD get if it wasn't fitting, as well as potential alternatives (like some characters have ones that fit, but I'd have expected something else.)

To be clear, an Imperil Element does not preclude elemental affinity.  For someone to be considered an elemental affinity, they need to get an En-element, or multiple soul breaks of that element, Record Materia and Record Spheres could help too but not checking those too heavily because lazy.  Without further ado, let's get started!

Skipping Cores because Tyro is inconsistent and Cores are not people, so they don't count.

Warrior of Light: Holy.  A given, honestly.
Garland: Darkness.  Default villain element, fits him anyway.
Sarah: Gets a Holy Soul Break, but only one.  It's the "default White Mage" element so whatever, argue this one doesn't count.
Wol: Arguably Lightning, because he gets one Lightning Soul Break, but only one.  Honestly nothing would fit him so...

Master Monk and Matoya are too new, so...

Firion: Holy.  No real elemental affinity; you could argue a few based off weak evidence, but honestly, dartboard logic works here, so whatever.
Maria: Earth.  ...see Firion really, they just went with Earth because...reasons.
Guy: Earth.  Ok, this one actually kind of fits because it works for a BIG STRONG WILD MAN.
Leon: Darkness.  He's a Dark Knight, so really there was only one choice.
Minwu: Holy...but only one Soul break so debatable.  "Default White Mage Element" etc.
Gordon: Fire.  Well, the Fire of Kashuan or whatever it's called are a notable part of FF2, and he's the prince, so the association is there, works about as well as you'd get.
Leila: She gets 3 different elemental Soul Breaks, being Poison (because Thief?), Water (because Pirate), and Lightning (because she starts with Thunder spells) so...N/A.
Ricard: AHAHAHAHA he doesn't get Soul Breaks...well, he gets a Fire one and a Wind one.  Dragon and Dragoon element, whatever.
Josef: Ice.  He comes from Semitt, the Ice Country, and his main dungeon is the Ice Caves, so this works.
Emperor: Darkness.  Default Villain element; they did give him a Wind Soul Break (dual-elemental with Darkness), probably a reference to the Tornado, so we can call Wind a secondary.

Luneth: Wind.  He has no elemental affinity, but I guess because he has that Adventurous personality associated with Wind-elemental characters, and the crystal he goes to on his own is the Wind crystal, I'll let it pass.
Arc: None, though there seems to be a hint at Water with him with moves like "Renewing Rain."
Refia: Fire.  Monks seem to get Fire or Earth, if they don't have a clear elemental affinity.  In Refia's case, Fire feels more deliberate since she is a Black Smith apprentice, so blatant Fire association there.
Ingus: Earth.  Pretty much "by default" since the other Crystals are covered, and Earth does fit the Stalwalt Warrior about as good as any.
Desch: Lightning.  I think he uses Thundara as an ally, and he is kind of a techie, so that'll do.  Fire would have fit as well, given the Owen's Tower thing, but Lightning is still fair
Onion Knight: Non-Elemental.  Blank Slate, he's best left having no elemental affinity honestly.
Cloud of Darkness: Darkness AND Holy. I have to say...well done RK, for actually recognizing her plot.  Most would have fallen victim to her name, but a big part of the character is she appears when there's an inbalance in the two, using whatever is greater (appearing first during  flood of Light, in fact, being stopped by the Warriors of Darkness), so it actually makes sense they'd use both in-spite of her name!

D. Cecil: Darkness.  ...not wasting my time on this one.
P. Cecil: Holy.  Ditto.
Kain: Lightning.  Not quite sure why here, I think it was just timing where they released his BSB alongside Lightning Drive and wanted Kain to show off Lightning Drive, so decided to go that way; I'd have made him Wind since "Dragoon Element" and he joins with the Wind Spear, Abel's Lance using Tornado, etc.
Rydia: Earth primary, Holy secondary seems to be the angle.  Given Titan association and how she lived underground for a long time, that fits.  Holy fits with how Mist Dragon is Holy elemental (in FF4DS anyway)
Rosa: Holy (well, one Soul Break anyway).  White Mage Element, moving on.
Yang: Earth.  Default Monk Element, proving how lazy they were with the character, since if they did their homework, he SHOULD be Wind, because Fabul has the Wind Crystal, but nope, Yang's gotta be as generic a Monk as you can get.
Palom: Lightning.  He gets some multi-elementals, but all are Lightning.  I'll...go with it, because you associate that part of FF4 with blowing things up with Lightning spells thanks to Baron Underwater Passage.
Porom: No Element yet, probably will be Holy if she ever does because White Mage element.
Tellah: Blow Self Up With Meteors Elemental.  You know it's true!
Edge: Water.  He gets a Fire and Lightning one, but Water appears more often.  I guess they did this because "Anti-Rubicante" logic, even though his personality and starting skillset involve Fire...
FuSoYa: Beard Elemental.  That is all.
Golbez: Darkness.  Actually fits his plot, besides "Token Villain Element" so...
Cid: Lightning.  Techie, so I guess that fits; also gets Lightning equips in FF4a, so there you go.
Ceodore: Holy.  Pretty much a given.

Going to say this now, FF5 pisses me off because most of the characters have clear elemental affinities but they decided to say "fuck that" here.

Lenna: Nothing, she will probably be Holy because White Mage element, she SHOULD be Water (even if she can't use it much granted) because that's what her Crystal is.
Galuf: Fire/Earth, and only on one Soul Break, and it's pretty much entirely because "those are the Monk elements."  His Element should be Earth only though because, you know, that's his elemental crystal.
Gogo: Water.  Because Mime is gotten underwater or something...
Gilgamesh: Excalipoor Elemental.  Really, what else could it be?
Bartz: Wind primary, quad elemental secondary.  Ok, Bartz does have several Wind Elemental Soul breaks and THAT fits, but for some reason tehy decided HE"S QUAD ELEMENTAL because...shut up.  They also gave him a Water BSB because **** you basically.
Faris: Gets Water, Lightning and Wind for no good reason, even though she's very clearly the Crystal of Fire and SHOULD be using that.  Faris is probably one of the least fitting character builds in the game as a whole honestly.
Dorgan: Wind. Well he's Bartz's dad so sure.
Ex-death: Darkness.  Villain element, whatever.
Krile: Fire.  Ok, there's legitimately no good excuse for this one; I mean, ok, Fire Lash was a relic but the Soul Break was a non-elemental buff...SCREW THAT SHE'S FIRE!!! You know, there's multiple arbitrary Earth Mages, and here we have a Mage with a clear Earth elemental affinity, and they don't use it...

Terra: Fire primary, gets Water as a secondary.  Fire is a given, Water probably because of Flood from Dissidia being one of her trademarks, but yeah, Fire is clearly her primary and that's the one that fits.
Locke: Fire primary, Holy secondary.  I would have personally gone with wind, but given the Phoenix association, Fire is a fair element to give Locke if you want to take that angle, and Holy fits as a 2ndary with that.
Celes: Holy and Wind.  So...Celes has a strong association with Ice in FF6...yet for some reason they decided she should be Holy and Wind, being all Paladin like and such...yeah, that makes absolutely no sense to me.  Really botched this one guys, because while there's many ambiguous elements for characters, Celes is one of the few who has a clear elemental association and they basically screwed it up entirely.
Mog: Earth.  Geomancer element, fair enough.
Edgar: Poison.  I would have gone with Lightning because of the Machinist, but...Poison is fine because that's the one element he CAN use in game (if through one early game attack), so it actually works.
Sabin: Fire.  Again, Fire or Earth are "Default Monk elements" but in Sabin's case, thanks to Fire Dance (and the early Fire Knuckles), he has some Fire association, as well as being royalty in a Desert Kingdom, so it works.
Shadow: Darkness.  He's an assassin, so it works, for all that I would have kneejerked Wind because Ninja element.
Cyan: DeNA Hates You element.  Only explanation I got.
Gau: Lightning...but only one Soul Break, and probably because of the Rage they chose...really you could get away with anything for Gau though.
Setzer: Fire...on one attack...honestly I'd choose Wind because of the Airship association, Fire was probably just because of the one explosive Soul Break and that's his only elemental soul break so arguably doesn't count.
Strago: Water.   People associate Strago with Water thanks to Aqua Rake so fair enough.
Relm: Holy.  White Mage element...meh...boring
Kefka: Poison.  For once didn't go "Villain = Darkness" and instead based off him off one of his more infamous moments, so well played!
Leo: Holy.  Knight element, it would be that or Lightning.

Cloud: Wind.  Not the element I would have chosen personally, but I can't say it doesn't fit because they were obviously going "well Finishing Touch is a giant Tornado" which is about as good as decision as you'll get, so I'm cool with this.
Barret: Gets a Lightning and a Fire one...yeah, he's not really aligned...
Tifa: Earth.  Monk Element, as I said before...to be fair, she was a mountain guide so I guess there's that?
Aerith: Holy.  WHite Mage element but unlike others, this one actually works on several levels for a few obvious reasons.
Red XIII: Lightning...but only one Soul Break and because he was using Trine, so willing to say that doesn't count.  Otherwise, Non-elemental.
Yuffie: Water.  Leviathan association, so fair enough.  She gets one Earth one but that's because of Landscaper in FF7 proper.
Cait Sith: Reeve Elemental.  You can't tell me I'm wrong!
Vincent:  Fire.  I guess Galian Beast is his most iconic Limit, and that is Fire Elemental, and he wears Red so...
Zack: He gets one Wind/Earth Soul Break...so I'm going to say nothing yet.
Sephiroth: Fire and Dark.  He gets two elements and equally represented here.  Both fit since Darkness is the villain element and Sephiroth actually has a design and plot that'd work there.  Fire works because Sephiroth imagery often involves Fire, including his most iconic scene.
Cid: Wind.  Pilot who is also a Dragoon...seriously, if it was anything else I'd have been questioning DeNA decisions...
Reno: Lightning.  His actual elemental affinity in FF7, given he absorbs Lightning, has a taser rod, etc.
Angeal: Holy.  ...just look at his freaking name if you need further reasons
Rufus: Darkness.  I guess "Villain Element" logic here?

Squall: Ice.  Fits his personality, and was probably done because FF8 has a strong Ice slant after a point for Ifrit CMs, but I always figured Squall was Ice so yeah!
Rinoa: Earth.  Ok, this one doesn't really make any sense, the best I heard was "Brothers is located near Galbadia, which is Rinoa's Hometown!"   You'd think with the Angel association, she'd be Holy, but I guess being a Black Mage that wouldn't work well...
Quistis: Poison.  I guess a Blue Mage means Malboro Breath, so one of the few you could twist into being Poison elemental.  Plus it works as a strategist element since it's status based or something.
Zell: Chicken Wuss Elemental.  Moving on!
Selphie: Holy.  White Mage element...to be fair she does get a unique move called Rapture...
Irvine: He gets one Fire Soul Break...because he gets a "Flame Shot" limit in FF8...yeah, I don't think that fully counts?
Seifer: Darkness.  He should be Fire, because Squall's opposite and a heavy Fire association in FF8, but NOPE! HE'S DARKNESS BECAUSE VILLAIN! He even gets Lightning and Wind in another Soul Break...suggesting further "Why doesn't he have Fire?"
Laguna: None really; he does get an Ice and a Lightning one, but really, his only true element is Machine Gun
Edea: Ice and Darkness.  Like Sephiroth, it's equal, but unlike Sephiroth, Darkness feels forced because "Villain element."  Ice she has a strong association with given Ice Strike and all that.
Fujin: Wind.  If she was anything else, I'd RAGE.
Raijin: Thunder.  ...ditto...ya know.

Zidane: Wind.  Basically the "Thief" element, works about as well as anything else, I guess.
Garnet: Lightning w/ Holy secondary.  Lightning because Ramuh association as her first Summon she can actually use so I guess that's fine, Holy because Alexander association, which also works.
Vivi: Fire.  Fitting because that's the element he's seen using most commonly.  He gets Dark and Poison as well but in solo spells that were matching their home element.
Steiner: Fire.  I guess because of the Vivi aspect, Fire fits him as well, so whatever.
Freya: Wind.  Dragoon element.
Quina: Symbolic of Every Bad Decision DeNA Makes Elemental.  I'm sticking by this claim too!
Eiko: She gets one Wind spell but I don't count that because that was just matching Fenrir in FF9; she'll be Holy in the grand scheme of things I'm sure.
Armarant: Fire.  Monk element, but he also calls himself the "Flaming Armarant" so...
Beatrix: Holy.  She's a Paladin, as if she could get away with anything else...
Kuja: Darkness.  Oh look, they stereotyped an element on him despite how many people say he's a rare example of a Holy elemental villain, who even calls himself an Angel (...of Death.)  God damn it DeNA, why?

Tidus: Water.  Between Blitzball, and his trademark Weapon being Water elemental, this felt obvious.
Yuna: Holy.  White Mage element, so really to be expected.
Wakka: Gets one Water soul break but I don't count that, so really he's just Non-elemental.
Lulu: Mostly Ice...which fits her personality.  She also gets Fire, Water and Lightning on other Soul Breaks, but Ice appears most often, the other 3 are because that was her thing in FF10.
Kimhari: Water.  Yeah I can't really explain this one; I'd have gone with Ice because of mt. Gagazet myself.
Rikku: She gets a Water Soul break but that's one in a sea of Non-elemental, so I'll go with explosions...just...explosions...
Auron: So here's a guy with a Soul Break aclled Tornado...that is Fire Elemental....I mean, I get WHY but shouldn't it be Fire/Wind?  Whatever, Auron is basically Non-elemental otherwise.
Jecht: Darkness.  Villain element, he gets Fire on one I guess because you fight him a lava filled arena...and monk element...
Braska: Fire.  Really, they could have gotten away with just about anything that wasn't Darkness here so...
Paine: Gets multiple elements...none of which I'd associate her with...so yeah, no real association.
Seymour: Darkness.  Villain element, but also Anima is the "Dark Aeon" so...

Shantotto: No real heavy elemental alignment, she could get away with just about anything that wasn't Holy though.
Ayame: See Shantotto, only I know less about her.
Curilla: Holy.  Apparently she's a Paladin so...
Prishe: Non-elemental...How the hell is she NOT Holy elemental when she's got a JESUS DROP KICK OF DEATH?
Lion: Non-Elemental, not that she has an elemental association...

Vaan: Nothing, though Fire/Wind should be used on him.
Balthier: Fire elemental.  I guess that kind of works based off his attack animations...
Fran: Lightning.  She's apparently really good with machines so...
Basch: Holy primary, Dark secondary.  He's a noble Knight, but he has some Dark-looking Quickenings so yeah.
Ashe: Lightning.  Given she's got the whole DIVINE CHOSEN ONE thing but isn't actually a divine or religious character or anything, Lightning fits.
Penelo: Holy.  White Mage element, I think her Quickenings support this too.
Gabranth: Darkness.  Villain element, plus his Quickenings are the same as his brothers.
Larsa: Potion elemental.  AS HE SHOULD BE!
Vayne: Darkness.  Villain element, about as good as you'll get for hi.

Lightning: Lightning.  This doesn't fit at all.  I mean seriously, HOW COULD THEY PUT THIS ON HER!?  FAIL HORRIBLY DeNA!!!!
Snow: Ice.  ...likewise, what the hell guys? HOW COULD YOU SCREW THIS UP SO BADLY?!
Vanille: Nothing.  She SHOULD be Earth Elemental because of Hecatoncheir, but they'll make her Holy if they ever give her one because White Mage.
Sazh: gets ONE Fire SOul Break, but that fits because of Brunhyldr.
Hope: Holy.  He gets Alexander, so really, what else would they give him?
Fang: Wind.  Dragoon Element, also gets a huge flying Dragon as her Eidolon.
Serah: Ice. Ok this one is stupid, and I don't mean in an ironic way.  In FF13-2, Ice is one of her WORSE elements, with Fire being her best and Lightning being a close second.  There's nothing about Serah that would make her fit Ice either, be it personality, history, etc.  If anything, the fact that she sleeps with Snow means she should be something OTHER than Ice!
Cid: Holy.  Ok, he's FF13's villain rep...but they actually paid attention to things like his design and attacks unlike Kuja and appropriately gave him an element that fits rather than going "DARKNESS IS THE (VILLAIN) HEARTS TRUE ESSENCE!"
Noel: Nothing.  Wind or Ice would work on him but nothing yet so...

Y'shtola: Nothing; she gets a default Water Soul Break, and should be Wind or Earth given FF14 Conjurers...but they'll White Mage elemental her down the line.
Thancred: He has Wind, FIre and Poison.  Ok each make sense in a different way, with Wind because of his role, Fire because he's from the Thanalan region, and Poison because of his effect on women...ok, that last one was a stretch...
Yda: Fire, with some Earth...because Monk...
Papalymo: Fire and Ice...because that's what Thaumaturges did in FF14.
Alphinaud: Wind.  Mostly just a result of him being released in the Garuda event and the same event Tiamat is released and...honestly really you could get away with anything for him.
Minfillia: Holy.  because, you know, she's totally fitting of a Paladin...with...reasons...and stuff...look she should be "Damsel in Distress" elemental and DeNA should feel ashamed for themselves.

Noctis: ????? at this point.  He should be Holy given his plot in FF15.

Ramza: Holy...on one move...honestly nothing is really stand out for him in this regard, he should probably just be Buttpants Elemental.
Agrias: Holy.  Well it's not like she's a HOLY Knight or anything...
Delita: Nothing really.  Should just be Back Stab With Flowers Elemental.
Ovelia: Holy.  Because White Mage.
Mustadio: Guns Elemental.  Because Guns.
Orlandu: Holy elemental because Holy Swordsmen, Thunder as 2ndary because TG Cid.
Gafgarion: Darkness.  I mean, it's not like he's a DARK Knight or anything...
Rafa: Nothing yet; she gets Fire and Lightning but mostly because that's what those two moves did in FFT.
Malak: Darkness.  I guess they want to represent "Untruth" in a way that makes it different from Truth and...look, I'm putting more thought into Malak than anyone should.

Reynn: Ice.  Well, Shiva was the female of the early Summon trio, though I'd give her Wind thanks to Serafie, which totally goes with her, but let's not get into that.
Lann: Fire.  Tama totally rides on his head nad is Fire Elemental, and Ifrit goes with Lann if Shiva goes with Reynn, because Ramuh is basically the Rayquaza of the two.


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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3541 on: December 26, 2016, 05:58:02 PM »
I think Shantotto getting the Thunder CSB cements her as thunder-elemental. Also her Burst focuses more on Thunder than the other two elements. You could argue she's more like a Multi-elemental similar to Bartz though.

I feel like the reason Krile ended up a Fire mage is because she has almost the exact same build as Rydia, and they had already (rightfully) made Rydia Earth-elemental.

I'd fix FF9 by giving Holy to Kuja, Darkness to Vivi, and implementing Blue Magic dammit. (I guess Quina could be Water? S/he does have one of the only Water-boosting equipments in the game.)

Seriously, though, I think there were only like 2 definitively water-aligned characters in the cast? I think that means Poison is more common as a elemental affinity?

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3542 on: December 27, 2016, 01:45:27 AM »
No, Vivi should remain fire.  His initial element in FF9 is Fire, and he uses it plenty throughout plot, and one of his biggest scenes is on the Airship where he fights Black Waltz 3 with Fire vs. Lightning.  The entire early game is him nuking things with Fire.  The only Darkness aspect he has is Doomsday, which is an ultimate move that hits himself too.  Remember that Garnet's Ultimate spell is also Darkness (Ark), and I don't see that working.  Vivi is pretty clearly associated with Fire in FF9 early on, so it fits.

Quina should be water though, if only because s/he comes from a Marsh, so what else will you give?

While I get the argument for why Krile was changed, the thing is, FF5 has a stronger elemental connection than FF4 did.  Rydia could have been a number of things that would have made sense, Krile is outright proclaimed as the Earth Crystal character and in FF5a, they even incorporate that into their gameplay with Gladiator.  When it comes down to it, Rydia's the one they should have changed, and going "well, Krile's too similar to Rydia" feels cheap as a reason when you're legitimately ignoring an elemental factor.  Honestly, they just seem to not care about FF5 characters and accurately portraying them, giving them random shit.  Heck, taken a step further, Krile is gotten in the Earth Crystal Arc, appears from a Meteor, and has the whole "Nature Girl" thing suggesting "Earth' since she talks to animals...her being Fire is about as arbitrary as you can get.  At least they went with Wind, they could have said "because she has a Dragon she can speak to!" which would be a stretch but it's SOMETHING.
Some characters getting random elements is "whatever" because they don't have any elemental connection (Maria, for example), but in this case, Krile IS clearly Earth aligned, and they chose to just ignore it.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3543 on: December 28, 2016, 04:57:15 AM »
45 Pulls on the OSB Banner 1 (4 11 Pulls + 100 gems), my results?

2 Platinum Swords (dupes)
2 Tin Armors
2 Abel's Lances (mrgrgrgr!)
1 Shura Gloves
1 Blood Sword

...well, I got Terra's OSB and one of the best physical BSBs in the game, so I can hardly complain, but I still want Terra's Tiara for that +40 Terra w/ the En-fire OSB combo!
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3545 on: December 28, 2016, 11:43:14 AM »
Did two pulls and a 100-gem on the banner myself because I'm weak. Results: another Minwu Healing Staff (on the 100-gem), Blood Sword, Shura Gloves, another Tin Armor and another Mistilteinn. Shouldn't have gotten greedy (Shura Gloves and Blood Sword were my top prizes and they came on the first, Mythril-covered pull), but can't really complain.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3547 on: December 29, 2016, 02:05:38 AM »
So learning about the New years Mythril, and I have 111 at the moment, I decided to do one last minute pull, but I insured that:

-Mandy presses the button, because why not?
-I sacrifice Magic to Tapu Koko, since last time I did that, it got me Terra's Blood Sword!

The result?

Another Abel's lance, and...



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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3548 on: December 29, 2016, 07:10:46 PM »
Thancred: He has Wind, FIre and Poison.  Ok each make sense in a different way, with Wind because of his role, Fire because he's from the Thanalan region, and Poison because of his effect on women...ok, that last one was a stretch...

Actually, poison makes a bit more sense if you consider the general Rogue kit - specifically, Kiss of the Wasp and Kiss of the Viper.  Aside from that, there's not really much else.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3549 on: January 01, 2017, 01:28:45 AM »
So the fabled FF14 banner dropped.  I'm basically obligated to pull on this banner because Curtana and Holy Shield are Meepel's first glowy Sword/Shield, and well, you know how it is.

Didn't do my 11 pull yet because I swore I'd do other things first, including the ritualistic volcanic sacrifice to the Island Deity to raise my luck, but I did do a 100 Gem Pull!

Oh I'll get rekt, so I'll just cover screen, and just press button fast to get through it and-*checks screen, Veil of Wiyu*

...or I can get the Burst I actually wanted :)
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