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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2025 on: March 28, 2016, 12:03:49 PM »
Ultima Buster beaten.  Killed it on first try but missed mastery.  Swapped in auto-reflect so that I stopped killing myself when mana sphere showed up and mastered it easily.

Also amusing, Vivi procced Blood of the Espers when casting Flare on Mana Sphere.  Second hit targeted Ultima and got reflected onto Vivi for 8500 damage.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2026 on: March 28, 2016, 02:59:38 PM »
Ultima Buster beaten.  Killed it on first try but missed mastery.  Swapped in auto-reflect so that I stopped killing myself when mana sphere showed up and mastered it easily.

Also amusing, Vivi procced Blood of the Espers when casting Flare on Mana Sphere.  Second hit targeted Ultima and got reflected onto Vivi for 8500 damage.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2027 on: March 28, 2016, 04:51:53 PM »
Jeez, the FF2 emperor +++ fight is a slog. I went in the first time hoping Grand Cross would own it, but didn't realize it wouldn't catch his self-targeted Haste so that was a waste of 40 stamina. I guess Wall RW is the way to go, and just hope I can power through his second HP bar before it's gone -- Starfall is murderous even with Shell up, and MT slow means Garnet's RES up/Hasteaga won't reliably stick around.
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« Reply #2028 on: March 28, 2016, 11:07:16 PM »
The worst part of Emperor +++ is, near as I can tell, Starfall is completely random.  Most of these "beat boss before they use move x number of times" tend to be fine since usually there's a few scripted versions, and only late in the fight will they have a chance to do it.

Like Beatrix is beat her before she uses a 3rd Climhazzard.  First 2 Climhazzards are scripted to happen at specific HP Benchmarks, the 3rd I believe only happens if she gets a certain number of turns after her 2nd Climhazzard, so really it's just a DPS Race. 

Emperor?  One run which was going fine ended because he decided to use Starfall in his last like 15% health 3 turns in a row, having used it twice before.  That's a mastery condition completely screwed right there and nothing I could do about it.  It's definitely not a scripting thing either; first few fights I thought it was "Starfall after he uses Elixir" but in the winning run, he fired off Starfall BEFORE the Elixir, and then randomly threw it afterwards throughout the fight. 

It's really a dumb and obnoxious fight, frankly.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2029 on: March 28, 2016, 11:22:13 PM »
Don't forget to bring Dispel/Banishing Strike, by the way. Haste is hardly the only thing it has to bear. And yeah, Meeple is right, there's no rhyme and reason to his Starfall casts. My winning run involved him -not casting Starfall even once-.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2030 on: March 28, 2016, 11:35:00 PM »
Huh, using it quickly after Elixir isn't scripted? Shitty luck for me, I guess.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2031 on: March 29, 2016, 03:15:55 AM »
Honed r3 Flare and r3 Thief's Revenge.  That sets me back on getting r3 Exploding Fist but I'm way short on Major Powers anyway.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2032 on: March 29, 2016, 04:37:37 AM »
Huh, using it quickly after Elixir isn't scripted? Shitty luck for me, I guess.

Honestly, I thought the same thing too.  I figured his script went Elixir at 50% HP -> Starfall next turn.  I think one run he used Starfall 2 turns after Elixir, so I figured maybe it was a weird 90% HP Benchmark or some such post Elixir...

...but nope, winning run, he used Starfall before the Elixir.


It's really a dumb condition.  Again, I don't mind "kill before they use this move x number of times" so long as the move in question is scripted.  Again, I refer to Beatrix as an example of doing that right, with having 2 scripted usages, and the 3rd is really just a DPS check.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2033 on: March 29, 2016, 11:59:26 AM »
Beat the U+ versions of Ultima Weapon and Odin. I swallowed my fanboyism and swapped Ramza out for Jecht and Auron respectively, due to the way realm synergy works on these fights (basically the same as how the Abyss final bosses work) making characters with RS too good to not use. On an unrelated note, my Bartz almost broke 600 ATK in the Odin fight. Class realm synergy is dumb and I love it.

Taking a closer look at what the rewards for these fights actually do, it looks like we can now use these Monk/Magic Swordsman/Etc Class Spheres to get a free 6* ability. It also looks like you can get multiple copies of the ability, by using the spheres on multiple characters. I'm wondering if you can't just make multiple copies to break down in order to get hones faster. A good idea in theory, but who knows how rare these class spheres are going to be.

The Monk 6* ability is a combination between Full Charge and Thief's Revenge, increasing the number of hits dealt as ATK goes up. Neat, and almost worth using even at R1 if you have a Monk with a good SB.

The 6* Magic Swordsman ability is a dual elemental Ice/Wind 2x attack. I feel like they handed this one to us partially to help deal with Ifrit. Unfortunately I only have 1 Ice Crystal and definitely not enough Magic Swordsman spheres to hone to R2, but may still be worth it to slot into my Ifrit team.

Samurai's is a 2-hit MT attack that sets the character into retaliate mode. Could be fun but at a knee jerk seems less useful than the other two out already.

I peeked ahead and Knight's seems like a... stronger version of Saint's Cross that adds the user's Defense and hits MT but doesn't cast Esuna or set Regen. Mmmeeeeeh. No real reason for me to use that over Saint's Cross, MT aside, though it'll be another tool to add to my farming arsenal I guess. 

Thief's is... a weaker Steal Power that also lowers Defense. That's just garbage for a 6*.

Engineer's is neat, 2x attack, base power goes up with the number of statuses applied to the enemy (caps at 3). Probably not useful for U+ bosses, but pretty cool for +++ and other bosses that still have status weaknesses.

Ninja's is pretty cool too. 2 hits, no charge time, boosts user's Magic while lowering Defense. Could definitely have its uses for Tyro or Yuffie.

Dragoon's I couldn't read some of it, but if I'm understanding correctly, its power goes up with the number of allies in the sky? Regardless, it has a long hangtime, is 4 hits and Wind/Non-elemental. If I'm reading the first part right, I think you're supposed to have a bunch of dragoons all using this skill at once to maximize its effectiveness? That's pretty hilarious if not really useful.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2034 on: March 29, 2016, 12:12:26 PM »
To be fair, the only time anyone talks about Dragoon strats, it's when you're using a full team of them abusing jumping tricks ANYWAY... so probably the best Dragoon skill we could have hoped for.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2035 on: March 29, 2016, 01:20:59 PM »
Emperor beaten. Missed mastery by one cast of Starfall, probably won't go back for it. Eight GPOs would be nice, but I've got other things to do today.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2036 on: March 29, 2016, 01:49:56 PM »
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2037 on: March 30, 2016, 07:40:26 AM »
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2038 on: March 30, 2016, 03:28:15 PM »
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2039 on: March 31, 2016, 08:29:08 AM »
Trying to get myself ready for Summoner's Abyss - looks like my party's gonna be Yuna/Terra (after her SMN5 buff)/Rinoa/Eiko/Hope (after his SMN5 buff)...  This seems viable.(?)

Of course, I'm always hurting for Summon spells/hones, so I'm thinking...  Bahamut/Valefor/Ixion/Alexander/3*s should be the priority?

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« Reply #2040 on: March 31, 2016, 03:44:26 PM »
I'd look up Nightmare Summoner setups for that. The loadout required for that fight's pretty stringent and the fight's late fight gimmicks make or break the final results.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2041 on: April 01, 2016, 01:31:19 AM »
It finally happened.



I did one pull for something and got exactly what I wanted (and then some, Vanille's staff will be great for even longer than Terra's SSB, but Terra fanboyism and all that.)

Only have fifty mythril left to throw at Ramza, but who cares?

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2042 on: April 01, 2016, 01:36:37 AM »
Trying to get myself ready for Summoner's Abyss - looks like my party's gonna be Yuna/Terra (after her SMN5 buff)/Rinoa/Eiko/Hope (after his SMN5 buff)...  This seems viable.(?)

Of course, I'm always hurting for Summon spells/hones, so I'm thinking...  Bahamut/Valefor/Ixion/Alexander/3*s should be the priority?

Just remember that the Summoner Nightmare is three months away, so we should get another Orbfest (with higher rates) beforehand.

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« Reply #2043 on: April 01, 2016, 01:54:59 AM »
-If- the schedule follows somewhat linearly, we may well get the Summoner Nightmare late June, which would be well past the intuitive schedule for the next orbfest.

EDIT: Also, life is suffering when your favorite character to be added in the game is Cait Sith.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2044 on: April 01, 2016, 04:31:09 AM »
It finally happened.



I did one pull for something and got exactly what I wanted (and then some, Vanille's staff will be great for even longer than Terra's SSB, but Terra fanboyism and all that.)

Only have fifty mythril left to throw at Ramza, but who cares?

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EDIT: Threw 100 gems at the current banner, got jack squat.  15 Mithril ebcause why not?  Jack squat.  Threw 900 Gems because I want to conserve mithril for 11 pulls on better banners...

...and get Aerith's SSB.  Just what I need, an SSB on a character I don't like that is identical to an SSB I JUST GOT TWO OF no less.  On the bright-side, it is my first FF7 Mage weapon, so that's a plus.

Also, why the heck is it considered a Rod?  The weapon is clearly labelled "Wizard Staff", and it even has the stats of a staff (Mind as it's primary stat) but it's classified as a Rod.  It now occurs to me how weird my relics are...

I have 4 natural 5* Rods: Maduin's Horn, Lullaby Rod, Chain Flail (FF6), and Wizard Staff...and outside of Maduin's Horn, they're all White Mage weapons.

I have a single Natural 5* Staff, and it's Garnet Storm Staff...which has Black Mage stats.  Never-mind that Garnet in FF9 used only Rods, and Vivi was the Staff user (it's weird that FF9 swapped it, but whatever), and the "Storm Staff" didn't exist...yeah, I don't get this game either, but hey, at least "Storm Staff" is the same weapon class as it's name implies!

The other Mage weapons I have are Rinoa's Rising Sun (Black Throwing weapon), and Eiko's Fairy Flute (white instrument).  What I'm saying is that the only Mage Weapon that actually fits it's weapon distinction is, go figure, Terra's Maduin's Horn...I guess you could argue the Fairy Flute but I think Harps are a very "Misc." weapon and thus don't count.


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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2045 on: April 01, 2016, 04:38:52 AM »
30 Mythril down this banner, successfully wasted them. Yeah, tossing my leftovers on banner 5 instead.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2046 on: April 01, 2016, 05:12:09 AM »
You know, since it was brought up, I think I'm more than set for the Summoner Abyss now, having *7* Summoner Characters with Relics...between that and getting Lulu's Hairpin, the game clearly wants me to do Mage meta...except I still lack a standard Faithga relic.  Granted, until Edward's SSB drops, Mana's Paean isn't that much worse than the likes of Garnet's, so I could just have Eiko running with that, and shove like a highly honed Valefor or something on her.

if I were to make a legit Mage Meta team, it'd probably look something like:

Terra (have her SSB, also has the whole "can take a hit and Support 4" thing going for her)
Lulu (Focus is the reason I'm even considering it)
Tyro (Sentinel Grimoire, can also cover things like Full Break)
Yuna (Hymn of the Faith is my best Medica still)

So my options for the 5th slot are basically between Rinoa and Eiko. 

I can't really justify any Black Mage over Rinoa (much as I hate her) at this point because not only does Rinoa have a Soul Break, but Rising Sun is also a weapon she can use no one else can and she doesn't have to compete with overs over it.  Granted, Garnet's Storm Staff can be given to someone like Vivi, but Rinoa's way more flexible having White 3 and Summon 5, and I'd wager, especially with Lulu's Focus (and possibly a Kefka RW?) that Angel Wing Quake > a self buff.    This same applies to Ashe, but Ashe also won't get level 80 in god knows how long anyway, so really not an issue.
The one person who may rival Rinoa here is Hope, thanks to being able to use the Rising Sun, thus has the same advantage.  He doesn't have her Soul Break and has lower Magic, though, but he does have White 4 allowing maybe another person to wield Shell/Protectga if necessary, so there's that.  Thing is, if I needed an extra person using that, I'd just go with Eiko anyway.

Eiko's competition is primarily Garnet, whom I have the storm staff of, and Aerith, whom I just got her Wizard Staff.  Eiko vs. Garnet is a no brainer; extra Medica > modest damage Soul Break, and Eiko has Bard skills, so yeah, obvious whose better there.  Likewise, Eiko vs. Aerith is pretty easy for me; they both have identical SSBs now, so it's Aerith having Black 3/Support 2 vs.  Bard 4, I think it's pretty clear which wins that.  If I really need extra offense from either, they'll supplement with Summons.  Additionally, compared to both girls, Eiko can use her own Fairy Flute, so like Rinoa she has equipment flexibility and it's even my best Mind Relic to boot.

ON TOP OF THAT, Eiko brings a free Shellga Soul Break, so bonus points for flexibility.  So it's a question of do I want Eiko's general utility or Rinoa's more reliable offense.  Worth noting though that while Eiko's Free Shellga is a nice boon, I could have Terra cover that with by equipping Minotaur's Plate.

ALTERNATIVELY!!! I could field Golbez for the added utility, as he'd be a tank and can also use the Minotaur Plate for Shellga if I wanted to maximize Terra's damage or something.  This has multiple problems though.  For starters, I don't have a 2nd Black Stick for him since he can't use Rods, meaning he's relying on a Yuna or Aerith's White Sticks (which granted, still have alright magic), or the FF6 Chain Flail, seeing as Terra's using her daddy's amputated horn.  I don't have a Magic Sword, Axe, or Lance either for that matter.  More to the point, like Ashe, Golbez has to wait forever for his MC2, and by then things may have changed dramatically.


So...yeah, between Eiko and Rinoa, who wins probably stems from the demands of the fight.  If I don't use Eiko, I'm probably fielding a Kefka's Magitek Infusion or Garnet's Leviathan RW to fill the Faithga niche, ideally the former due to Hastega.

EDIT: Remembered Eiko is still stuck at level 65, though granted, I think she gets her MC2 in not too distant a future unlike some of the characters mentioned above.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2047 on: April 01, 2016, 06:27:10 AM »
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2048 on: April 01, 2016, 06:34:33 AM »
100 Gems mk. 4- reckt.

The Underlevelled Goobers segment of my roster finally grows thin.  Although there's a lot of cores left I'm just not going to get to.  Oh well.  Of course once Orbfest ends I'll have a great many RM2's to grind.  Joy.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2049 on: April 01, 2016, 01:38:37 PM »
Got kefka's harp thing.

Now, I guess that's cool being that it's my strongest mage weapon to date.

But...instrument.

And I don't think Kefka gets a mc2 anytime soon.

Ah well.
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