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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2575 on: May 20, 2016, 04:30:31 AM »
Bahamut is interesting because he's so straight forward and simple in approach, being just a lot of damage, exploitable weakness, and 2 thresholds you need to keep in mind with a DPS Race at the end, and of course gets stronger at an HP Threshold.  The difference of course between Bahamut U+ and other similar fights is chances are, your synergy in FF4+ is somewhat better than your synergy in FF3.   Heck, I consider myself having shit FF4 synergy, but at least I had a 4++ Dagger, and a 4++ Robe, and I think there are other 4* Items you can get and possibly fuse for makeshift FF4 Synergy.

I guess it's a fight that you can argue is checking how you handle something when your stats are somewhat lower, since you are going to be limited on synergy unless you did a lot of pulls on the two banners.  I personally got jack and shit on both banners with my 100 Gem pull and I already ranted about why I feel it's not worth pulling on these banners, so won't get into that again.


Still...I think that's the biggest thing about the fight: You're fighting an opponent that isn't necessarily stronger than what you're use to, or prepared for, you're just likely to have relatively lower stats than what you have handled in the past.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2576 on: May 20, 2016, 04:34:09 AM »
100 gem draw on FF3 banner 2: GAUNTLETS! I get an HotE clone! Still no RS weapons but that'll go a long way toward making up the difference.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2577 on: May 20, 2016, 04:38:19 AM »
You're going to use DESCH. This game, man. This freaking game.

EDIT: Just keep an eye on his HP when you use it, since it shaves off 50% mHP from him. But that can be solved by a Curaga.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2578 on: May 20, 2016, 04:43:53 AM »
I mean, I have three SBs that add party-wide high regen. As long as I time it so the boss is freshly debuffed he'll get that HP back easily enough.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2579 on: May 20, 2016, 04:57:52 AM »
Sadface. I liked CmdrKing's posts. Hope you'll at least keep posting about your other mobile game experiences - FFBE and KH and such.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2580 on: May 20, 2016, 05:25:03 AM »
So after all my rants in chat about how Desch is a blech PC and not worth it, Shale decides to draw something that would make him actually useful.  THIS GAME!
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2581 on: May 20, 2016, 02:34:28 PM »
So, with FF12's new event, we get Larsa. And is it just me but that's a really neat support build? White 5*, Support 5* and even Bard 4* thrown in off typical Support PC stats - EXCEPT healer-level Mind. Equip options are kind of a bummer for hybrid builds (only swords in addition to mage weapons), but that feels like an oddly versatile build. Alas, poor Gordon.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2582 on: May 20, 2016, 02:40:10 PM »
Frankly works better than Ramza for buffing, actually, if you don't have a relic for either of them. Ramza has Prota Gonist level attack for debuffs but with that mind Bard buffs will be way more useful, nevermind that generally the turns spent to use the WM / ST versions is worth the turn usage unless you're being pounded constantly. I mean, Ramza's obviously better for being A) A waifu B) A debuffer C) a Knight but really that's a niche that I didn't know hadn't been hit yet (Gordon doesn't count because FF2 is barely a game and I wish we could stop pretending to have to pay attention to it)

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2583 on: May 20, 2016, 02:44:27 PM »
Support-like stats also end up meaning he's rather bulky for a White Mage. 5050 HP, 113 Def and 125 Res at L80 is fairly legit.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2584 on: May 20, 2016, 05:42:02 PM »
Looking at what Desch can actually do, he's definitely not getting a pass into my A team, but the stacking ATK/DEF boost will make a great "break glass in case of no gear" option. Such as in this event!
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2585 on: May 20, 2016, 05:43:25 PM »
So, with FF12's new event, we get Larsa. And is it just me but that's a really neat support build? White 5*, Support 5* and even Bard 4* thrown in off typical Support PC stats - EXCEPT healer-level Mind. Equip options are kind of a bummer for hybrid builds (only swords in addition to mage weapons), but that feels like an oddly versatile build. Alas, poor Gordon.

To be fair, Gordon has some really nice SBs to his name as well.  He has an Attack/Mag Lowering SB after all which is an extra layer of mitigation, his default SB is actually really good all things considered (+30% to all stats and stacks with just about everything), and pretty sure his weapon draw is better.  Not to mention Gordon is way better equips, getting Spears for extra synergy potential (common weapon type in most realms), and Bows meaning he can play around the Back Row.

Basically, what I'm saying is Gordon's still fine.  Larsa does hurt his niche, but Gordon still has his perks over Larsa.  I'd argue Larsa's a White Mage who can use Support (and unlike characters like Rosa and Y'shtola, he can run Full Break), while Gordon is better at being a Support character who can use Shell/Protectga.  It seems like a fair argument in both ends really, with Larsa having a Mind stat to actually run healing magic while Gordon has more equipment to draw from allowing for more flexibility.

Gordon also has Black 3, which if nothing else gives Blindga, a more accurate means to apply Blind than Dark Buster, which is the best Larsa can use, as well as access to Confusion status.

Also Gordon can use Shields!  Yeah, don't think that actually helps him much seeing as the two big ones are Basch's Shield for Holy +20% damage, which is offset by Larsa having much better Mind anyway, and Agrias' Kaiser Shield which he can't really take advantage of anyway (...no, I am not going to hype his Thundaga.)

Either way, I don't think "poor Gordon" is appropriate; yeah, his niche is compromised, but it's not like Larsa is straight up better.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2586 on: May 20, 2016, 05:51:32 PM »
Man, Desch is pretty awful, but the Enthunder effect off of his mage sword looks visually cool! Priorities, man.

Larsa getting Bard is a nice addition for FF12 to actually get access to that skillset. I'm wondering if we will actually get to the point that every FFRK skillset will be represented in every realm? Seems like Ninja/Dragoon/Bard would be difficult in a lot of realms...

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2587 on: May 20, 2016, 07:02:15 PM »
Damn it Djinn! Now you got me remembering how RC wouldn't shut up about RINOA SINGING IN FF8 even though that never actually happened (it was her mother's song, not her own.)  Yes, my mind goes through a weird process of association what about it?

Though it did get me thinking...technically, the main cast of FF8 BESIDES Squall and Rinoa should have access to Bard and Instruments because of that one scene where they apparently all learn a song and how to play the respective instrument in the course of a few hours.  No, I am not serious but it's a funny thing to consider!
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2588 on: May 21, 2016, 12:09:34 AM »
Oh man, Captain K (and by this I mean Daleks, not CmdrKing... ehehe)... you left just before the greatest of all meta was born: Hit and Run!

If you're having trouble on a 1-stamina fight, why not just repeatedly enter and flee the fight after one turn of each PC building some SB gauge and a mage or two using a healing spell w/ an ability spring for unlimited actions? Now that you have 3 full SB gauges, start the fight in earnest.

I know what I'm doing for the WHM Nightmare fight if I can't get it the first time at least...

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2589 on: May 21, 2016, 12:38:30 AM »
Also Gordon can use Shields!  Yeah, don't think that actually helps him much seeing as the two big ones are Basch's Shield for Holy +20% damage, which is offset by Larsa having much better Mind anyway, and Agrias' Kaiser Shield which he can't really take advantage of anyway (...no, I am not going to hype his Thundaga.)

Gordon's own SB Shield is +20 ATK and Medium Fire Resistance, which is cool for a tanky build.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2590 on: May 21, 2016, 12:50:28 AM »
Huh, didn't know that, because yeah, that's a pretty nice perk if so.  Still stand by my point that Shields offer limited value to Gordon, but still an extra equip option Larsa can't make use of.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2591 on: May 21, 2016, 01:35:18 AM »
Shields no longer being a joke option helps Gordon pretty notably. That's true of pretty much anyone who can use them, but yeah, it -is- a point in his favor compared to Larsa. Larsa has a better equip selection than your average White Mage, but Gordon's equip array is one of the best things about him.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2592 on: May 21, 2016, 02:59:02 AM »
Oh man, Captain K (and by this I mean Daleks, not CmdrKing... ehehe)... you left just before the greatest of all meta was born: Hit and Run!

Knew about it, but couldn't get past Geryon.  And now I no longer care.  I'm freeeeeeeeee

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2593 on: May 21, 2016, 08:26:17 AM »
Huh, didn't know that, because yeah, that's a pretty nice perk if so.  Still stand by my point that Shields offer limited value to Gordon, but still an extra equip option Larsa can't make use of.

https://ffrkstrategy.gamematome.jp/game/951/wiki/Equipment_Rarity%205_Flame%20Shield%20%28II%29

I goofed a bit, the 20 ATK is after being combined, but even at L20 on its own, it's still 17 ATK, which is still nice.

Sadly, Gordon only has Black and White 3 for now, so until he gets buffed with more caster levels...  No Protectga/Shellga for him.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2594 on: May 21, 2016, 01:18:59 PM »
Oh, FF2's roster in Global is pretty crappy outside of maybe Leon, who has a good weapon draw (Swords, Axes, Spears and Bows), Knight 5 + Darkness 5 combo (Dark Bargain + Saint's Cross is pretty cool) that's shared only by Seifer (worse Weapon draw though way more durable) and Golbez (worse relevant stats), and Hand of the Emperor is of course a really good Soul Break.

It's only after the recent JP Event that the FF2 cast is suddenly meaningful.  Glancing at the roster Post-Buff, the only character I'd deem "bad" is Ricard, who is a Worse Kain, and Kain's not exactly the most impressive character at this point.  To be fair, Leila and Minwu aren't exactly very inspired, with Leila being "textbook Thief" who gets Bows instead of Throwing weapons and Minwu is about as generic a White Mage as you can get, difference of course being Minwu still works as a healer as well as any other White Mage, he's just unremarkable about it, and Thief 5 means Leila can still Steal Power + Thief's Revenge, if nothing else, and even reaches the 5 hit Thief's Revenge w/out Synergy at level 80.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2595 on: May 22, 2016, 02:46:18 AM »
It's Lucky Draw time again! I got...Yuna's Lullaby Rod, the best possible SB in the pool that I already have a clone of. Buuuuuuut it's on a summoner instead of Lenna the pure white mage, which opens up some interesting options for a Carbuncle strategy against U+ Bahamut (who is totally kicking my ass).
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2596 on: May 22, 2016, 02:57:09 AM »
I got...  Lenna's Power Staff (Chibi-Shout) and Selphie's Crescent Wish (YAY!).

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« Reply #2597 on: May 22, 2016, 02:58:51 AM »
Aaaaaahhhhhh soooooooo jealous
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« Reply #2598 on: May 22, 2016, 03:00:39 AM »
Lucky Draw gave me... Eiko's Hypnocrown and Beatrix's Save The Queen. I'll take those, sure.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #2599 on: May 22, 2016, 03:03:01 AM »
Eiko's Fairy Flute (alas, not the superior non-SSB for her) and a duplicate Physician's Staff.  Not bad all told.
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