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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3025 on: July 16, 2016, 12:25:09 AM »
So Angeal ultimately ends up being a pretty generic Knight, having nothing that really makes him stand out.  Spellblade 3 I guess gives him some diversity, but otherwise, he doesn't really stand out.  Getting Spears is a perk I suppose for synergy diversity, but otherwise he seems to exist specifically for FF7 Cid Missions, as he's the only one from the realm with Knight 5. 

Reno also got a bunch of buffs to his physical side.  Sounds like they really want him as a fighter now, which makes sense all things considered.  The other Black Mage in the FF7 realm is Vincent, who is ALSO a Fighter/Mage Hybrid and just does that schtick way better, might as well try to make Reno deviate as much from Vincent as possible.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3026 on: July 16, 2016, 12:54:42 AM »
Gaia Cross by itself is a pretty solid niche. He really doesn't need anything else.

What'd they buff to Reno, out of curiosity?

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3027 on: July 16, 2016, 02:05:36 AM »
Machinist 4, Celerity 5, attack buff and access to thrown weapons.

EDIT: So, after shattering a bunch of abilities I wouldn't ever use remotely seriously, like Flashing Blade, Sky Grinder and Bio Grenade, and doing some orb exchange shenanigans, I finally honed Thief's Revenge to R3. So, that's Meteor, Full Break, Saint Cross, Full Charge, Dragoon Jump and Thief's Revenge now. Man.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3028 on: July 16, 2016, 07:06:17 AM »
Finally got around to doing the Adult Rydia +++ fight with a Cid Mission party (Kain/Edward/Rosa/Tellah/Yang), and redoing the Shirtless Sephiorth U and U+ Cid Missions.

Turks were nice enough to drop a MFO for me again.  Turks fight did give me some trouble due to them killing off Red early - and therefore my main source of debuffs, but...  Eh.  Gave Sephiroth a R1 Flashing Blade and R4 Yukikaze, and it all worked out well enough with a Shout RW.

I just did the same thing I did last time for the U+, though this time different people died...  And I still mastered it anyway.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3029 on: July 16, 2016, 06:55:27 PM »
Gaia Cross by itself is a pretty solid niche. He really doesn't need anything else

Oh, Angeal's not bad, to be clear, he's just not interesting.  There's little reason to use him over other Knights unless you either have his SSB or it's a Cid Mission (which to be fair, is a niche at least.)  It's more that there's a whole bunch of characters who can replicate what he does; offhand, Steiner, Agrias, Celes, Delita and Paine all have Knight 5 + Spellblade combo, and most of them have Spellblade higher than 3* to boot, though Angeal being able to use Spears gives him a better weapon draw than all of the above (several of them can use Axes, but Spears are somewhat more common than Axes) outside of maybe Paine, who can use Katanas and Guns which probably makes her about even.
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« Reply #3030 on: July 18, 2016, 01:31:35 AM »
Okay, last night I managed to beat this event's ultimates Cid Mission-style. I was actually worried there, since, while my FF4 equipment synergy is passable, my SB selection for the realm is mostly useless at this stage of power creep. 5* abilities to the rescue, though. Setup for Barbariccia:

L80 P. Cecil (Banishing Strike R4/Full Charge R3 - Mako Might [Protectga shared SB])
L65 Kain (Blood of the Wyvern R4/Dragoon Jump R3 - Pride of the Red Wings)
L80 Porom (Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Healer's Prayer [Shared AoE heal SB])
L65 Edward (Magic Breakdown R4/Full Break R3 - Dr. Mog's Teachings [Shared AoE mid-regen SB])
L65 Edge (Power Steal R3/Dismissal R4 - Ace Striker or something)

RW: Shout

Barbariccia wasn't terribly difficult. Mostly about keeping the counters and Tornado time to a minimum. Dragoon Jump was pretty legit, making Kain more or less my main damage dealer. Full Charge P. Cecil worked fine too, but he just didn't have the same oomph running off a 4++* Dancing Dagger. Porom double-casted Curaja way more often than she should, too. No S/Ls, no medals lost, which was kind of a surprise considering I had no stackable breakdowns past FB and no Wall.

Asura and Leviathan setup goes as follows:

L80 DK Cecil (R3 Full Charge, R4 Lifesiphon - Mako Might)
L71 Edge (R4 Dismissal, R5 Tempo Flurry - Rebel's Might)
L71 Edward (R4 Magic Breakdown, R3 Full Break - Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 P. Cecil (R4 Draw Fire, R4 Banishing Strike - Might of Sasune)
L80 Porom (R5 Curaja, R2 Shellga - Cetra's Destiny)

RW: Divine Guardian

Dicier and I had to egg Edge and Edward some for added survivability. More importantly, this setup came after some struggles with mage meta and Kain+Golbez setups, which just couldn't keep up with the offense. This one had a bit of luck involved too: Leviathan's OPB doublecast physical water attack upon Asura's death is really nasty and a guaranteed KO if it focuses on -anyone- but the Cecils. Fortunately, it unfocused on Porom and Edward, who both had the HP to survive. Edge was seriously important here: Slowing Asura is a big deal, since she can be a pain in the ass with dispels and buffs. Once she fell, the fight was mostly under control. Edward died to a poorly timed Blizzara after a Blizzaja left him in critical, but by that point, the fight was nearly over. DK Cecil was also a great asset, since Soul Eater kept my offense viable against the fight. I'm just glad I didn't need to draw on a banner to make this mission work. Nasty fight, though.

Next up on Cid Missions: FF8. Those fuckers are so dead.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3031 on: July 19, 2016, 01:40:43 AM »
I got the Cid Missions done.

The sum total of my FF4 Relics:

A 5* Flame Sword with 102 ATK
A 5* Stoneblade with 103 ATK
A 3*++ Lilith Rod with 54 MAG
A 4*++ Sage's Staff with 80 MND
Edward's Fabled Harp
A 5* Gold Hairpin
A 5* Dark Helm
A 4*++ Black Garb
A 5*+ Diamond Armor
5* Dragon Gloves
A bunch of accessories that weren't really helpful.

Reasons to spend orbs:
Saint's Cross to R3
Dragoon Jump to R3
Blood of the Wyvern to R3

Failed reasoning on spending orbs:
Drainga to R4

Final U+ Cid Mission Party:
Rosa/Cecil/Edward/Kain/Porom + Shout

Didn't have enough slots to actually get Mastery with the Cid Mission party, so I went back with an A-Team and got Mastery fairly easily.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3032 on: July 19, 2016, 04:18:48 PM »
So next 6* Summon is going to be Tritoch of all things.  I guess people mistranslated the whole "multiple targets" thing to be "multiple elements" or some such (many were predicting Magus Trio.)

That's...an odd choice for a 6*, but better than 5* Titan *punts*.  I guess it makes sense to go this direction; you need something that is a believable lateral shift compared to Neo-Bahamut which is already MT 6x3 damage, which is kind of ridiculous, so either you choose like ST 9x3 or you add some quirk to it; a triple elemental summon would qualify as a quirk.  I assume it'll be weaker than Neo-Bahamut, to accomodate for elemental boosts.

Speaking of which, they're reworking Multi-elementals to work the more logical way, in that all elements are factored in for strengthens and such, and it just uses whatever does the most damage.  So if you have Oath Veil on, Meltdown still gets the 20% Boost and is Wind elemental unless some other elemental factor makes Fire or Earth more preferable.  Contrasts before where it was always Fire Elemental unless enemy resisted Fire or was weak to Earth/Wind.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3033 on: July 21, 2016, 02:32:43 PM »
U+ G-Eraser CM down. Party was

Vincent (Chain Blizzaga, Valefor), Mako Might
Red 13 (Power BD, FB), Dragoon's Determination
Cait Sith (Strongwater, Curaja), Dualcast White
Zack (Chain Starter, Indoor Spell), Dr. Mog's
Aeris (Protectga, Curaja), Battleforged.
SG RW.

Guy was kind of a scrub actually. No ITD, and his stun gimmick would have been annoying if I only brought one healer along. Took a gamble and used Aeris' first SB charge on boosting my critical chances instead of Medica, and it paid off. Apocalypse was dealing BSB level damage on all 4 crits, and spamming Chain Starter just racked up the numbers. Let SG slip for a few turns that almost caused a reset, but fortunately Chain Starter is kinda really fucking good. Should have honed this puppy a long time ago.

Vincent, despite having an SSB, only used his regular SB from his coat since the Mag boost was higher (though ST... didn't matter!) Cranked out pretty respectable damage, too, now that he has a magic gun.

All in all, though, G-Eraser was waaaaaaay less difficult than the U Guardspider before him DESPITE going A-team on Guardspider, because U Guardspider's MT Stop was waaaaaaaaaay more obnoxious of a gimmick than U+ G-Eraser's ST stun.

Also, I think this is the first time in a long time I've had a battle with only one character using Indoor Spell. Yay?

In other news, Fragment dungeons are back tomorrow. Hellooooooooooooooooo CM Ifrit.

EDIT: U++ Crimson Bahamut down. Tried to Mage Meta (Terra/Vinny/Tyro/Rinoa/Selphie, OK RW) but kept getting him down to 10-20% then having to reload. Needed SG too badly. Could maybe have worked with building more toward defence but meeeeeeh. Went A-Team (Ramza/Terra/Tyro/Selphie/Beatrix, SG RW) and wrecked him with no SLs. Yep.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3034 on: July 21, 2016, 03:39:46 PM »
In unrelated news, DeNA took pity on their support staff and announced Dissidia event and the belated Orbfest a month in advance, as well as announcing a Mythril giveaway that covers the pieces we missed from the boss campaign on the Big Bridge event. Getting those two during my vacation time will be nice, though.

EDIT: Also, Seifer/Irvine MC2 event today and Mote Dungeon Ifrit on Tuesday. I really wonder if I have the chops to run Mote Ifrit CM-style.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3035 on: July 21, 2016, 04:24:51 PM »
If you don't CM Fragment Ifrit (wtf mote that is sooooooo goddamn stupid), Snow, nobody will be able to. I believe in you.

Also vacation? Where you goin?

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3036 on: July 21, 2016, 05:30:35 PM »
Downed the FF4 ultimates this morning. Both were pretty easy (thanks, new RS gear) -- no S/L on Barbarrica, one on Leviathan/Asura because it's a weird fight for buff timing. It was also my trial run for (ab)using Desch's en-lightning SB and the results were....mixed. Equipped with an RS rod, RS hat and RS +30 MAG accessory he was barely cracking 3K using Ruinga, and once Asura died and I could finally cut loose with lightning Bolt of the Ancients was dealing just a bit more than that per hit. Obviously once he was lightning'ed-up the second cast was considerably stronger, but Lightning with Dismissal for Asura and Thundaga Strike for Leviathan would have exploited that weakness just as well and contributed more to downing Asura. I'll revisit once I can field a Song of Swiftness team, though.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3037 on: July 21, 2016, 06:23:11 PM »
Ruinga has a 5.6x mult. It's frankly not suitable for Ultimate-level fights -at all-. Also, mage SBs have a low general mult, barely above -jas. The point is really the en-element and it's kinda limited with the 4* abilities. It'll look a whole lot more impressive in a few months when Chain Thundaga arrives.

If you don't CM Fragment Ifrit (wtf mote that is sooooooo goddamn stupid), Snow, nobody will be able to. I believe in you.

Also vacation? Where you goin?

For Ifrit, I certainly have the equipment and levels, as well as the defensive utility (my FF8 synergy is ridiculously stacked for mages in particular and looks good everywhere, and I have a couple clutch SBs like Edea's poor man's mage Shout and Quistis' MG), but I'm worried about my healing and particularly burst power for wearing Ifrit down. I may have to craft and hone a second Blizzaja just for this fight, since just en-Earth shenanigans won't cut it. At least I can spread a couple AoE healing relics around.

Also, next month I'm spending a few days in São Paulo to visit friends and just generally screw around a bit for vacation. Nothing fancy, nor anything that impacts my mobile internet access. It'll be fun!
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3038 on: July 22, 2016, 06:36:57 AM »
Yeah Magic's gonna take a hit in usefulness until the multihit attacks come out. Can Desch at least use Ixion? I honed it before Chain Thundaga came out and it's holding up pretty well.

Snow: Didn't realize you don't have a Selphie Relic.... yeah, that's gonna be a hard sell. Dream Stage would be such a godsend.  Since your Rinoa is so stacked, would it be more useful to maybe hone Shiva instead of a second Blizzaja since it's dual hit? Or would that not break the 9999 cap enough for you to bother? I forget Shiva's mults since I never bothered since she's only a 3* summon, in fairness.

Don't discount En-element/Imperil shenanigans, too; I *almost* beat Fragment Ifrit with Beatrix's Imperil Holy BSB a while back, so I imagine Enearth may actually see Rhinohaha dealing decent damage despite not hitting weakness.

Also, sounds like a good vacation, Snow, hope you enjoy it.

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« Reply #3039 on: July 22, 2016, 07:16:21 AM »
Fragment dungeons are back. I tried the CM but forgot Squall needed to be in my party.

.... Picard Facepalm goes here.

Luckily it was easy, and in fact with my FF8 go-team I fatfingered a bunch and mis-used Rinoa's OF and BSB and whatnot. Whoops. Second try, I put some fire resistance gear on as well and yeah long story short I have 5 Strength Fragments. Insert maniac anime girl here.

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« Reply #3040 on: July 22, 2016, 01:48:53 PM »
Yeah Magic's gonna take a hit in usefulness until the multihit attacks come out. Can Desch at least use Ixion? I honed it before Chain Thundaga came out and it's holding up pretty well.

Snow: Didn't realize you don't have a Selphie Relic.... yeah, that's gonna be a hard sell. Dream Stage would be such a godsend.  Since your Rinoa is so stacked, would it be more useful to maybe hone Shiva instead of a second Blizzaja since it's dual hit? Or would that not break the 9999 cap enough for you to bother? I forget Shiva's mults since I never bothered since she's only a 3* summon, in fairness.

I have R5 Shiva as well, but I'm not counting on it to make the difference I need when it's running off a 5.5x mult. If Chain Blizzaga was already available, this would be a completely different story, but, as is, I'm worried about my resources on my A-Team. You know, with the likes of Sentinel's Grimoire, Shout and multiple SSBs. 3.8k defense is just completely out of whack at this point in the game.
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« Reply #3041 on: July 25, 2016, 10:58:24 AM »
So, Bonus Fight CMs Mastered.

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Squall L80 - Lifesiphon R4/Blizzaga Strike R3 - Ace Striker - Blasting Zone
Rinoa L80 - Blizzaja R4/Drainga R4 - Battleforged - Angel Wing Quake
Laguna L64 - Dismissal R4/Blind Shell R4 - Pride of the Red Wings
Selphie L80 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Healer's Prayer II - Dreamstage
Irvine L69 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Rebel's Might
RW: Stoneskin II

Honestly, this fight was a nightmare.  Only Squall and Rinoa could do respectable damage, Laguna was just there for Blind Shells, Irvine for Breaks, and Selphie for Healing.  Gave me a good amount of S/Ls, and one attempt I just gave up on because of the sheer amount of damage coming through without the Wall RW - I had brought Mighty Guard VIII and had Selphie with Protectga first, you see.  Of course, Squall winds up dead for the last third of the fight, and I have to resort to the absolute last casting of everything to finish it off.

I didn't like this fight very much, but 5 targets sucks anyway.  Probably would've gone better had I looked up that I needed Lightning Resist and geared for that, actually...  And had I put Knight's Charge on Selphie.  Healer's Prayer II did save me a few times, but I feel like she would've done better with something else.  Whole bunch of S/Ls for the stars to align just right for it.



U+ Bahamut
Squall L80 - Lifesiphon R4/Drain Strike R5 - Ace Striker - Blasting Zone
Selphie L80 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Knight's Charge - Dreamstage
Zell L73 - Tempo Flurry R5/Piercing Strike R4 - Balamb Firebrand
Irvine L69 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Rebel's Might
Laguna L65 - Power Break R4/Blind Shell R4 - Pride of the Red Wings
RW: Shout

Okay, I had one S/L on this fight, but that was because of an unlucky Tornado killing three people in the last 25% half a second before Selphie could get Dreamstage off.

Let me start off by saying this: Bahamut is fast.  It's very possible he can lap a few characters while casting, so you always need to be wary about his magic.  That said, he can be slowed to help out, and Blind makes his physicals almost a non-issue.  His most dangerous actions are a single target Thundaga (-ja?) that left Squall with a barely triple-digit amount of HP, and Tornados for a party-wide 1500 damage after Shell, Full Break, and Magic Breakdown.  While this normally wouldn't be a problem, it actually is because he's so freaking fast.  Any turns he spent with his physical or casting Stop on someone other than Selphie (or missed with it even) were close-quarters breathing room, making this fight more sane.

Nightmare Megaflare actually did less damage than his Tornadoes, so the more I saw that, the less I was seeing Tornado, and therefore the less damage I was taking.

Things to note:
Squall using my 5*++ Revolver, Gordon's Flame Shield, and his Pendant had 522 ATK.  After Shout, he was doing about 6900 with each Lifesiphon, about 5300 with Drain Strike (with the healing being the main point), and Lifesiphon * 4 with Blasting Zone.
Selphie's Dreamstage got a lot of use - considering that Bahamut's arsenal is mostly Magical, Dreamstage managed to null a lot of incoming damage, and saved my skin more times than I care to admit.
Zell was using my 5* Inferno Fang, the 5*+ Sephiroth's Coat, and the Cowl of Gilgamesh, giving him a total of 400 base ATK.  After Shout, he was doing ~5200 with Tempo Flurry, and 8305 (with small amounts of variance) using Piercing Strike.
Laguna used Power Break once for every four Blind Shells.  He was able to pump out a respectable amount of damage himself.
Irvine was the Support bot, alternating between Full Break and Magic Breakdown, which helped keep Bahamut's Tornadoes sane.

At least this was proof to me that, assuming I don't need a Wall to stay alive, bringing Piercing Strike to the Fragment Ifrit fight (I refuse to call it Mote Ifrit) is actually viable!

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« Reply #3042 on: July 25, 2016, 03:50:52 PM »
Yeah, Cid Mission Ultimates.

Propagators

L80 Rinoa (Shiva R5/Valefor R5 - Devotion)
L80 Edea (Memento Mori R3/Dark Zone R3 - Mako Might)
L80 Quistis (Blizzaja R4/Magic Breakdown R4 - Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L70 Irvine (Full Break R3/Power Breakdown R4 - Rebel's Might)
L80 Selphie (Curaja R5/Blindga R5 - Healer's Prayer II)

RW: Keeper's Tome

Yeah, screw physicals, mage meta all the way. Lack of Lulu focus did hurt the offensive potential on the fight some, but when your least impressive damage is AoE 9.5k off a 3*, you know you're not faring too badly. I spread some lightning res equips around to stack with my utterly loaded RES gear on FF8, which made the general offense in the fight just not scary at all. Keeper's Tome let me bring Blindga on Selphie to cover a medal condition and Magic Blink trivialized the losers further, while Angel Wing Quake guaranteed the other medal condition. No medals lost, no S/Ls, no real effort.

Bahamut

L70 Seifer (Magic Lure R2/Full Charge R3 - Lionheart)
L70 Irvine (Magic Breakdown R4/Full Break R3 - Rebel's Might)
L80 Rinoa (Valefor R5/Maduin R5 - Devotion)
L80 Edea (Memento Mori R3/Dark Zone R3 - Mako Might)
L80 Selphie (Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Cetra's Destiny)

RW: Focus (Lulu)

Did you know that Cetra's Destiny makes even the dinky shared AoE heal near Cura-level in potency without synergy weapons? Yeah, neither did I. It's a very solid RM for Cid's Missions. This said, in this fight it wasn't -that- helpful, since Megaflare spam off 650 speed meant Edea died near the end anyway. This said, the offense was simply -amazing-: post-Inaugural Parade and Focus, Rinoa was shaving off 16k of Bahamut's health per Valduin swing. Irvine's DEF/RES breaking SB broke this down further to 18k. Edea herself lobbed off 19k per Dark Zone and, until Bahamut got all AoE happy, Seifer downright trivialized his offense and status with Magic Lure+Bolt Armlet. Lost one medal on damage because of the aforementioned Megaflare spam when Hastega was down (Edea MND is just ten kinds of awful and I have no FF8 rods to alleviate that. FF8 thrown weapons offer -no- mind either), but otherwise, pretty decent, would mage meta again/10. Also, Bahamut's physical is kind of worthless, not even worth bringing Protectga for.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2016, 03:52:39 PM by Jo'ou Ranbu »
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3043 on: July 26, 2016, 12:47:13 PM »
Cid Missions complete! Both done in one try. I think this set of bosses might be kinda easy. I guess Fragment Iffie is to make up for that?

Well, one caveat. The game saw fit to give me Irvine's SSB gun on my 100-gem pull. I cannot overstate how great this SSB is for these bosses. MT/ST Slow and Blind + SSB-level damage can pretty much neuter everything it touches.

Also, I now have all of Irvine's SBs. And Edea's. But none of Selphie's. Weird game.

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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3044 on: July 27, 2016, 03:30:51 AM »
Fragment/Mote Ifrit: OW. That's not happening quite yet.  I've got no ice SBs worth using and my A team can barely get through a quarter of his life before wall wears off.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3045 on: July 27, 2016, 03:39:12 AM »
Mastered Mote Ifrit with my A-team after an effective game over to rearrange my team. Holy shit they weren't kidding about this fight. You can even make his defense-subject damage pretty dinky with enough mitigation (Meteor was hitting for 400 post SG/Shellga/Cleansing Strike/FB/MBD/Soothing Light), but so much of his damage is ITD (the Flames and Hellfire, and he's very fond of spamming the former while using the latter often enough to be a threat, so you can't even dream of forgoing fire resistance) and he's so damned sturdy he can very realistically run you out anyway. My first attempt ended in failure due to me using Tailwind instead of Shout once due to my party being severely battered, which ended up not helping because Haste and ATK UP both ran out, spelling doom to my team. Second attempt at least went more smoothly, but I ran out of both Blizzaga and Blizzara Strike -and- of a full Lightning SB bar. Also burned through three bars worth of everybody else's SBs at a minimum and I needed -all- of them. This does signal I'm definitely not ready for the Cid Mission yet, at least. I need at least one of Dreamstage or Sorceress' Awakening to pull it off at my current power level and I have better things to save my Mythril for, like Vaan and Gilgamesh BSB banners. Oh well, the two Major Power Orbs can wait and I got started on Quistis' Magus and Beastmaster Spheres.
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3046 on: July 27, 2016, 04:15:03 AM »
Fragment/Mote Ifrit: OW. That's not happening quite yet.  I've got no ice SBs worth using and my A team can barely get through a quarter of his life before wall wears off.
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« Reply #3047 on: July 27, 2016, 05:24:06 AM »
You know the fun thing about Mage Meta is?

...Fragment Ifrit really is nothing different than what you're use to.  Oh what's that? Massive defenses?  Mages have been dealing with that for a while, only Ifrit has a blatantly exploitable weakness so it's like Mages fighting him WITHOUT the weakness...except for Darkness users.

Set Up (was going to do screenshot, but image too big thanks to new phone and gotta tweak things):

L75 Terra: Desch's Sword++, Black Hood+, *Terra's Pendant, R4 Blizzaja, R4 Magic Breakdown, Devotion, Magitek Missile SSB
*Yes, that should have been the FF8 equip but didn't matter
L72 Edea: Rising Sun, Sorceress' Crown+, Flame Cloak, R3 Dark Zone, R3 Memento Mori, Ace Striker, Inaugural Parade SB
L75 Lulu: Ice Staff (IX), Cat-Ear Hood++, Gulug Stone, R5 Blizzaga, R4 Blizzaja, Dr. Mog's Teachings, Focus SB
L77 Yuna: Wizard's Rod, Cat-Ear Hood+, Blaze Armlet, R2 Shellga, R5 Curaja, Knight's Charge, Hymn of the Fayth SB
L80 Tyro: Hyperion, Nu Khai Armlet, Gigas Armlet, R3 Full Break, R3 Mental Breakdown, Mako's Might
RW: Divine Guardian.

First off, yes, I made a 2nd Blizzaja for this fight, and honed it up a bunch; wasn't using those Ice Orbs for much anyway, and probably going to need it if I ever do the Cid mission.  Anyway, I had one reset because of bad RNG on the ATB and he basically just physicaled a bunch and killed Edea off before I could do anything about it.  Thanks to Mage Meta, you're entirely in the back row, and yes, Tyro's damage is awful and really shouldn't have bothered with the synergy weapon, but whatever.  It ultimately was a routine fight.  Open with Focus, Sentinel Grimoire, Divine Guardian, Magic Breakdown and Shellga on Turn 1.  Terra's Blizzaja's did 9999 with her Magitek Missiles doing 12k with one buff, and 16k with 2 buffs, Lulu's did 9k, and her Blizzagas late in the fight did 6500.  Edea's Dark Zones were doing 14-15k a shot, Memento Mori when recasting thanks to Inargural Parade was doing over 7k a shot itself.  Tyro...was doing a glorious 3 digit damage, but hey, Mental Breakdown boosted the other character's damage, and Full Break kind of necessary.  Yuna did healer things.

Ultimately, Terra ran out of Blizzajas near the end, but Lulu had plenty of Blizzagas, Edea died due to Doom, and Tyro ran out of charges...and the fight ended with a Magitek Missile.  It wasn't necessary because he was on the magic pixel so Lulu would ahve finished him off anyway, and Yuna had just fired off Hymn of the Fayth so even if he pulled Hellfire out of his ass, I'd survive.

Again, the thing about this fight is those who were rocking Mage Meta were basically use to everything he throws at you, for all of the following reasons:

-Back Row.  This makes his basic physical far less threatening by nature.
-Mages had to deal with absurd Res as is; his is higher, true, but the jump in Res isn't anywhere near as high as the jump in defense, so Mages essentially feel a minor loss to their offense...
-...and easily exploitable weakness.  Only a handful of fighters can use Blizzaga Strike, but Mage Meta basically means you WILL be using Black Mages and thus Blizzaja by definition.  This makes a huge difference.
-Unless you are Vincent, Mages have generally much better res than fighters, which compensates for the lack of HP against a handful of his attacks.

yes, I had the trinity; there's no disputing that helped a lot, as did Lulu's focus adding an extra stackable +50% Res layer, but seeing as many who have the Trinity and rely on Shout Meta are screaming pain and torment, I can't help but feel it's the fact that I took the Mage approach that made the difference.  Not saying Mage Meta made it LOLJOKE worthy, but it honestly felt very...routine?  Like yeah, the fight made me go all out, but nothing I wasn't already use to if that makes sense.

That said, definitely not ready for the Cid mission, though I am planning ahead.  Quistis will probably use a set up similar to Terra because, well, she can run that, so it's just losing out on Magitek Missiles which will hurt.  Edea can stay where she is, since she's still FF8, and using a set up that can't be replicated.  I'll probably field Irvine using Tyro's set up, and Rinoa using Lulu's.  I don't think Offense will be an issue but lack of native wall is going to hurt, and lack of Lulu's Focus is an extra layer of Res I don't have.  Not confident about it yet though, feel like I'll need some more FF8 relics.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 05:27:34 AM by Meeplelard »
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3048 on: July 28, 2016, 02:26:06 AM »
Nightmare Support Lucky Draw gave me... a Silver Barrette (yay, this could've been useful A YEAR AGO) and a Dream Harp! Yay, mage meta!
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Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
« Reply #3049 on: July 28, 2016, 02:40:38 AM »
I got Fran's Traitor's Bow, and Faris' Yoichi's Bow.  I am completely ok with this!
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