Suikoden 1

[Dhyerwolf]

1. Levels- PCs are taken at L60. There’s a few PCs that this gave a extra high level charge that they might lose if taken a level of 2 lower (Alen loses an L4 at 59, Tir an L4 around 57-58, Flik an L4 at 58, Lotte an L4 around 57-58, Sheena an L4 around 57). Celes at Suikosource had a ready made table for L60 stats exactly. I did finish right at L60, but I could see how one would finish at 59.

2. Stats
Defense: Cuts 1 Point off Physical Damage; I didn’t test for random variance though.
Magic: On the PC side, every 2 points adds 1 to magic damage done. Cuts damage PCs take by 1 (it does not have this effect for enemies)

3. Crit Rate- I’m assuming that this is based on Luck and Skill weighed equally. While Suikodens after this used, Skl+Luck/2, Skl and Luck weighed equally fit the data better (about 10% deviation on average from the expected, while Skl+Luck/2 AND Skl/2+Luck were about 15% from average). (Skl+Luck)/10 fits decently.

4. Status Checks- There are none! I ran comprehensive tests and there is no stat that links to any kind of status resistance.

5. Hit Rate- Average of hit rate against enemies with 150 Skl, 100 Skl, and 80 Skl. This gives a decent range of enemies and averages to 110, the enemy average. I believe there is a minimum hit rate. For the stat topic, I’m guessing the minimum hit rate is 60% (It could be a little lower like 57.5%, outside chance of 55%, but no lower). I wouldn’t be surprised if the formula is Attacker Skill-Defender Skill-20 or something similar, as a hit rate seems to relatively linear but definitely seems like they are skewed off by about 20.

6. Equips in the Topic
Silver Hat- 27 Def, 5 Regen (Cap)
Full Helmet- 20 Def (Helmet)

Full Armor- 45 Def (Heavy)
Master Robe- 37 Def, 5 HP Heavy (Vest, Robe)
Ninja Suit- 28 Def, 5 Spd (Light, Vest)
**Chosen as the default for vest users. 5 Spd>9 Defense
Guard Robe- 7 Def, 15 Mag (Vest, Robe)

Earth Shield- 45 Def

Gold Necklace- 25 Def (Kobolds)**
Guard Ring- 15 Def (All)**
**Since some PCs had locked accessories, I thought it was fair to give everyone else one DEF based accessory to at least reflect in game comparisons. I didn’t go into other storeboughts because there is a super-unbalanced one right at endgame that gives +15 speed to girls that didn’t seem very reflective of most of the game.

7. Arguments to Boosted Damage Average- In Suikoden, Runes are a very potent way to do damage. 21 Characters Start with Runes (including relatively a useful removable rune on Eikei, a crappy one on Morgan, a DL crappy permanent rune on and Stallion and the just kind of bad permanents on Juppo, Kai and Pahn), which is a pretty small fraction of the 76 PCs. In my opinion, this is a really high boost that really tends to overrate the power the runes though.

As such, I’ve included an average for people with multiple L4s and no attack rune (I averaged the 4 attack runes and their basic physical to reflect Water Rune usage) and one with multiple L3s. Keep in mind that even those with 3 L2s can get a passable use of an Earth Rune  and that most PCs are given no bonus at all (And Killer Runes are storebought and extremely potent based on Suikosource’s description. Killer Runes are supposed to boost crit rate by 50%, which ranges between a 12-35% damage increase).

PCs with the necessary magic score are Hix- 106- 6/4/2
Kirkis (109), Milich- (166), Sylvina (149), Viktor (111)
Camille (144), Liukan (~110), Meg (107), Mina (161), Rubi (167), Sarah (131), Tengaar (181)

8. Enemy Stats (Rounded to keep things even)
Defense: 80
Speed: 120
Magic: 180 (Note that enemies Magic does not serve as MDef. They don’t have an Mdef stat)
Skill: 110
Luck: Not sure this has an effect that matters

9. Weapon Types- I’ve given everyone a weapon description: What their weapon is closest to based on name (I did no visual checks here) and what weapon type Suikosource calls it (unless it’s Mina, who I think is miscategorized).
Long Range- Bow, Darts
Medium Range- Staff, Spear
Short Range- The rest

10. Averages Up Top
HP: 602
Pow: 139
Skl: 139
Def: 232
Spd: 136.5 (33.2 Standard Deviation)
Mag: 104
Luck: 114
Straight Damage: 399 (998 Kill Point)
Damage Factoring in Multiple L4s: 436 (1090 Kill Point)
Damage Factoring in Multiple L3s: 455 (1137 Kill Point)

TIR
HP: 671………………………………111.4%
MP: 8/7/5/3
Attack: 320 (162 Base)
Skill: 184…………………………….18.9% Relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 232 (148 Base)…………..Average
Speed: 183 (178 Base)………+1.4 SD
Magic: 161………………………..Cuts by 57 (23.7%)
Luck: 164
Halves Elemental Damage
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 407 Physical (240 Base, 34.8% Crit Rate, 100 % Hit Rate) (Staff)

SOUL EATER RUNE
Deadly Fingertips-  100% ST Instant Death
Black Shadow- 380 MT Magic Damage (Arguably Dark Elemental)
Hell- 100% MT Instant Death
Judgment- 1580 Magic Damage (Arguably Dark elemental)

ALEN
HP:678………………………112.6%
MP: 8/5/4/2
Attack: 314 (164 Base)
Skill: 105……………………………..-17.1% Relative Evade (13.33% Raw)
Def: 276 (147 Base)……………Cuts Physicals  by 44 (18.3%)
Speed: 132 (127 Base)………-.14 SD
Magic: 144…………………………Cuts by 30 (12.5%)
Luck: 128
Halves Fire Damage

Attack- 281 Physical (234 Base, 23.3% Crit Rate, 82% Hit Rate) (1H Sword)
-->Hits Fire Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

RAGE RUNE
Firestorm- 222 MT Fire Magic
Dancing Flames- 472 MT Fire Magic
Explosion- 772 MT Fire Magic
Final Flame- 972 MT Fire Magic

CLEO
HP: 616………………………102.3%
MP: 8/7/6/3
Attack: 292 (142 Base)
Skill: 151……………………………13.1% Relative Evade (35.67% Raw)
Def: 235 (151 Base)…………..Cuts Physicals by 3 (1.2%)
Speed: 175………………………..+1.16 SD
Magic: 166………………………..Cuts by 62 (25.8%)
Luck: 96
Halves Fire Damage

Attack- 298 Physical (212 Base, 24.7% Crit Rate, 94% Hit Rate) (Throwing Sword/Darts)

FIRE RUNE (Strong Plot Claim)
Flaming Arrows- 183 ST Fire Magic
Firestorm- 233 MT Fire Magic
Dancing Flames- 483 MT Fire Magic
Explosion- 783 MT Fire Magic

CLIVE
HP: 678………………………112.6%
Attack: 314 (164 Base)
Skill: 199 …………………………..18.9% Relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 189 (105 Base)…………..Takes extra 43 (17.9%)
Speed:166………………………..+0.89 SD
Magic: 84…………………………..Takes extra 20 (8.3%)
Luck: 64
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 357 Physical (234 Base, 26.3% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Gun/Darts)
-->Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

CROWLEY
HP: 443………………………73.6%
MP: 9/9/8/6
Attack: 211 (81 Base)
Skill: 96…………………………….-23.4% Relative Evade (8.67% Raw)
Def: 156 (62 Base)…………..Takes extra 76 (31.6%)
Speed: 141……………………..+0.14 SD
Magic: 215……………………..Cuts by 111 (46.1%)
Luck: 113
Heals 10 HP a turn
Halves Wind

Attack- 145 Physical (131 Base, 20.9% Crit Rate, 78% Hit Rate) (Rod)

CYCLONE RUNE
The Shredding- 507 ST Wind Magic
Healing Wind- ST Healing+Status Healing
Storm- 607- MT Wind Magic
Shining Wind- 607 MT Wind Magic+ 500 MT Healing

EILEEN
HP: 437………………………72.6%
MP: 9/8/6/4
Attack: 235 (85 Base)
Skill: 122……………………..-7.2% Relative Evade (20.67% Raw)
Def: 178 (84 Base)……..Takes extra 54 (22.4%)
Speed: 161…………………+0.74 SD
Magic: 179………………….Cuts by 75 (31.1%)
Luck: 144
Heals 10 HP a turn
Halves Earth

Attack- 207 Physical (155 Base, 26.6% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (Darts)
-->Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

EARTH RUNE
Clay Guardian- Bugged; No Effect
Voice of Earth- 389 MT Earth Magic
Copper Flesh- Immunity to damage/HP changes for 3 turns (including the turn it was cast on)
Earthquake- 789 MT Earth Magic

FLIK
HP: 680………………………112.9%
MP: 8/5/4/2
Attack: 315 (165 Base)
Skill: 160……………………..9.9% Relative Evade (33.33% Raw)
Def: 250 (128 Base)……Cuts by 18 (7.5%)
Speed: 164…………………+0.83 SD
Magic: 145………………….Cuts by 41 (17%)
Luck: 134
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 362 Physical (235 Base, 29.4% Crit Rate, 97% Hit Rate) (1H Sword)
-->Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

LIGHTNING RUNE
Angry Blow- 222 ST Thunder Magic
Rainstorm- 172 MT Thunder Magic
Raging Blow- 672 ST Thunder Magic
Ball of Lightning- 1072 ST Thunder Magic

FUKIEN
HP: 449………………………74.5%
MP: 8/7/5/3
Attack: 212 (82 Base)
Skill: 110……………………..-8.1% Evade (20% Raw)
Def: 203 (119 Base)……Takes extra 29 (12%)
Speed: 127…………………-0.29 SD
Magic: 165………………….Cuts by 61 (25.3%)
Luck: 149
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: -0.43 SD)

Attack- 166 Physical (132 Base,  25.9% Crit Rate, 83% Hit Rate) (Rod)

RESURRECTION RUNE
Scolding- 152
Yell- 33% Healing, Status Healing and Revival
Scream- 300 MT Healing+Status Healing
Charm Arrow- 582

FUTCH
HP: 611………………………101.5%
Attack: 295 (145 Base)
Skill: 125……………………..-5.8% Relative Evade (21.67% Raw)
Def: 273 (144 Base)……Cuts by 41 (17%)
Speed: 169…………………+0.98 SD
Magic: 88………………….Takes extra 16 (6.6%)
Luck: 167

Attack- 296 Physical (215 Base, 29.2% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (Spear)

GREMIO
HP: 562………………………93.3%
Attack: 257 (87 Base)
Skill: 142……………………..1.8% Relative Evade (27.33% Evade)
Def: 248 (164 Base)……Cuts by 16 (6.6%)
Speed: 116…………………-0.62 SD
Magic: 84………………….Takes extra 20 (8.3%)
Luck: 141
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 252 Physical (177 Base, 28.3% Crit Rate, 91% Hit Rate) (Axe)

GRENSEAL
HP: 622………………………103.3%
MP: 8/7/5/3
Attack: 294 (144 Base)
Skill: 123……………………..-6.8% Relative Evade (21% Raw)
Def: 275 (146 Base)…… Cuts by 43 (17.9%)
Speed: 151…………………+0.44 SD
Magic: 163………………….Cuts by 59 (24.5%)
Luck: 109
Halves Lightning

Attack- 273 Physical (214 Base, 23.2% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (1H Sword)
-->Hits Thunder Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

THUNDER RUNE
Rainstorm- 181 ST Lighting Magic
Raging Blow- 681 ST Lighting Magic
Ball of Lightning- 1081 ST Lighting Magic
Thunder God- 981 MT Lighting Magic

HELLION
HP: 389………………………64.6%
MP: 9/8/7/5
Attack: 188 (57 Base)
Skill: 61……………………..-35.1% Relative Evade (0% Raw)
Def: 188 (94 Base)……Takes extra 44 (18.3%)
Speed: 97…………………-1.19 SD
Magic: 190………………….Cuts by 86 (37%)
Luck: 132
Heals 10 HP a turn
Halves Earth

Attack- 90 Physical (108 Base, 19.3% Crit Rate, 60% Hit Rate) (Rod)

MOTHER EARTH RUNE
Voice of Earth- 395 MT Earth Magic
Immunity to damage/HP changes for 3 turns (including the turn it was cast on)
Earthquake- 795 MT Earth Magic
Guardian of Earth- Bugged; Supposed to raise defense, but does nothing

HIX
HP: 622………………………103.3%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 298 (148 Base)
Skill: 144……………………..2.7% Relative Evade (28% Raw)
Def: 254 (125 Base)……Cuts by 22 (9.1%)
Speed: 151…………………+0.44 SD
Magic: 106………………….Cuts by 2 (0.8%)
Luck: 181

Attack- 302 Physical (208 Base, 32.5% Crit Rate, 88% Hit Rate) (1H Sword)

HUMPHREY
HP: 697………………………115.8%
Attack: 334 (174 Base)
Skill: 105……………………..-17.1% Relative Evade (13.33% Raw)
Def: 283 (188 Base)……Cuts by 51 (21.2%)
Speed: 80…………………-1.7 SD
Magic: 56………………….Takes extra 48 (20%)
Luck: 101

Attack- 294 Physical (254 Base, 20.6% Crit Rate, 82% Hit Rate) (2H Sword)

KASIM
HP: 740………………………122.9%
Attack: 347 (187 Base)
Skill: 128……………………..-4.5% Relative Evade (22.67% Raw)
Def: 250 (166 Base)……Cuts by 18 (7.5%)
Speed: 105…………………-0.95 SD
Magic: 63………………….Takes extra 41 (17%)
Luck: 92

Attack- 334 Physical (267 Base, 22% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (2H Sword)

KASUMI
HP: 622………………………103.3%
Attack: 292 (142 Base)
Skill: 171……………………..14.8% Relative Evade (37% Raw)
Def: 215 (131 Base)……Takes extra 17 (7.1%)
Speed: 215………………..+2.36 SD
Magic: 116………………….Cuts by 12 (5%)
Luck: 108
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: +2.21 SD)

Attack- 330 Physical (212 Base, 27.9% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Shuriken?/Darts)
Shrike Rune: 424 ITE Physical Damage

KIRKIS
HP: 624………………………103.6%
MP: 8/5/4/1
Attack: 300 (145 Base)
Skill: 205……………………..18.9% Relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 227 (143 Base)………Takes extra 5 (2.1%)
Speed: 163…………………+0.8 SD
Magic: 141………………….Cuts by 5 (2.1%)
Luck: 109
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 358 Physical (220 Base, 31.4% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Bow)
-->Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

KRIN
HP: 503………………………83.5%
Attack: 245 (95 Base)
Skill: 160……………………..9.9% Relative Evade (33.33% Raw)
Def: 164 (80 Base)………Takes extra 68 (28.2%)
Speed: 220…………………+2.52 SD
Magic: 67………………….Takes extra 37 (15.4%)
Luck: 61
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: +2.37 SD)

Attack- 231 Physical (165 Base, 22.1% Crit Rate, 97% Hit Rate) (Throwing Knife?/Darts)
-->Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

KUROMIMI
HP: 624………………………103.6%
Attack: 294 (144 Base)
Skill: 125 ……………………..-5.9% Relative Evade (21.67% Raw)
Def: 284 (145 Base)……Cuts by 52 (21.6%)
Speed: 146…………………+0.3 SD
Magic: 79………………….Takes extra 25 (10.4%)
Luck: 143

Attack- 286 Physical (214 Base, 26.8% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (1H Sword)

 KWANDA
HP: 681……………………….113.1%
Attack: 336 (166 Base)
Skill: 100……………………..-17.1% Relative Evade (13.33% Raw)
Def: 348 (208 Base)……Cuts by 116 (48.2%)
Speed: 84…………………-1.58 SD
Magic: 59………………….Takes extra 45 (18.7%)
Luck: 99

Attack- 286 Physical (256 Base, 19.9% Crit Rate, 80% Hit Rate) (Axe)

LEPANT
HP: 640………………………106.3%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 304 (154 Base)
Skill: 151……………………..5.9% Relative Evade (30.33% Raw)
Def: 263 (134 Base)……Cuts by 31 (12.9%)
Speed: 131…………………-0.17 SD
Magic: 103………………….Takes 1 extra (0.4%)
Luck: 111
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 321 Physical (224 Base, 26.2% Crit Rate, 94% Hit Rate) (Spear)

LUC
HP: 332………………………55.1%
MP: 9/9/9/7
Attack: 179 (49 Base)
Skill: 136……………………..-0.1% Relative Evade (25.33% Raw)
Def: 121 (59 Base)………Takes extra 111 (46.1%)
Speed: 160…………………+0.71 SD
Magic: 224………………….Cuts by 120 (49.9%)
Luck: 63
Heals 5 HP a turn
Halves Wind

Attack- 123 Physical (99 Base, 19.9% Crit Rate, 89% Hit Rate) (Rod)

WIND RUNE
Wind of Sleep- 65%MT Sleep (60% Chance of Lasting 1 Turn, 20% Chance of 2, 10% Chance of 3, 7% of 4, 3% of Lasting Longer. Physicals cancel it.
The Shredding- 512 ST Wind Magic
Healing Wind- 100% St Healing+Status Healing
Storm- 612 MT Wind Magic

 MILIA
HP: 686………………………113.9%
Attack: 318 (168 Base)
Skill: 103…………………….. -18.9% Relative Evade (12% Raw)
Def: 290 (161 Base)………Cuts by 58 (24.1%)
Speed: 110…………………-0.8 SD
Magic: 62………………….Takes extra 42 (17.4%)
Luck: 118

Attack- 278 Physical (238 Base, 22.1% Crit Rate, 81% Hit Rate) (Spear)

MILICH
HP: 630………………………104.6%
MP: 8/7/6/3
Attack: 295 (145 Base)
Skill: 127……………………..-5% Relative Evade (22.33% Raw)
Def: 276 (149 Base)……Cuts by 44 (18.3%)
Speed: 134…………………-0.08 SD
Magic: 166………………….Cuts by 42 (17.4%)
Luck: 67
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 260 Physical (215 Base, 19.4% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (1H Sword)

PAHN
HP: 740………………………122.9%
Attack: 360 (190 Base)
Skill: 150……………………..5.4% Relative Evade (30% Raw)
Def: 249 (165 Base)………Cuts by 17 (7.1%)
Speed: 89…………………..-1.43 SD
Magic: 49………………….Takes extra 55 (22.8%)
Luck: 136
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: -1.58 SD)

Attack- 409 Physical (280 Base, 28.6% Crit Rate, 93% Hit Rate) (Fists)
Boar Rune- 560 ITE Physical, Unbalances Pahn for the next turn

PESMERGA
HP: 819………………………136%
Attack: 365 (205 Base)
Skill: 82……………………..-29.7% Relative Evade (4% Raw)
Def: 293 (164 Base)……Cuts by 61 (25.3%)
Speed: 103…………………-1.01 SD
Magic: 62………………….Takes extra 42 (17.4%)
Luck: 41

Attack- 241 Physical (285 Base, 12.3% Crit Rate, 68% Hit Rate) (2H Sword)

RONNIE BELL
HP: 675………………………112.1%
Attack: 330 (160 Base)
Skill: 129……………………..-4.1% Relative Evade (23% Raw)
Def: 251 (167 Base)………Cuts by 19 (7.9%)
Speed: 125…………………-0.35 SD
Magic: 45………………….Takes extra 59 (24.5%)
Luck: 100
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: -0.49 SD)

Attack- 315 Physical (250 Base, 22.9% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (Fists)
Hate Rune- 750 ITE Physical

SHEENA
HP: 621………………………103.1%
MP: 8/7/5/3
Attack: 296 (146 Base)
Skill: 130……………………..0.1% Relative Evade (26.67% Raw)
Def: 230 (146 Base)……Takes extra 2 (0.8%)
Speed: 160…………………+0.71 SD
Magic: 162………………….Cuts by 58 (24.1%)
Luck: 156
Heals 5 HP a turn
Halves Lightning

Attack- 295 Physical (216 Base, 28.6% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (1H Sword)

LIGHTING RUNE
Angry Blow- 231 ST Thunder Magic
Rainstorm- 181 MT Thunder Magic
Raging Blow- 681 ST Thunder Magic
Ball of Lightning- 1081 ST Thunder Magic

SONYA
HP: 682………………………113.3%
MP: 8/6/4/2
Attack: 314 (164 Base)
Skill: 148……………………..4.5% Relative Evade (29.33% Raw)
Def: 268 (133 Base)…….Cuts by 36 (15%)
Speed: 194…………………+1.73 SD
Magic: 150………………….Cuts by 46 (19.1%)
Luck: 109
Halves Water/Ice

Attack- 329 Physical (234 Base, 25.7% Crit Rate, 93% Hit Rate) (1H Sword)
-->Hits Water Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

WATER RUNE
Drops of Kindness- Full ST Healing+Heals Status
Fog of Deception- Supposedly increases evade but it didn’t appear to statistically help Sonya
Water of Kindness- Heals 300 MT+Heals Status
Rain of Kindness- Full Mt Healing+Status Healing

SYLVINA
HP: 502………………………83.3%
MP: 8/6/4/2
Attack: 261 (106 Base)
Skill: 141……………………..1.4% Relative Evade (27% Raw)
Def: 212 (118 Base)………Takes extra 20 (8.3%)
Speed: 161…………………+0.73 SD
Magic: 149………………….Cuts by 45 (18.7%)
Luck: 166
Heals 10 HP a turn

Attack- 263 Physical (181 Base, 30.7% Crit Rate, 90% Hit Rate) (Bow)
-->Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

TAI HO
HP: 685………………………113.8%
Attack: 316 (166 Base)
Skill: 180……………………..18.9% relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 192 (108 Base)……Takes extra 40 (16.6%)
Speed: 147…………………+0.32 SD
Magic: 70………………….Takes extra 34 (14.1%)
Luck: 128
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: +0.17 SD)

Attack- 381 Physical (236 Base, 30.8% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Spear)

VALERIA
HP: 687………………………114.1%
Attack: 313 (163 Base)
Skill: 129……………………..-4.1% Relative Evade (23% Raw)
Def: 285 (156 Base)……Cuts by 53 (22%)
Speed: 125…………………-0.35 SD
Magic: 109………………….Cuts by 5 (2.1%)
Luck: 118

Attack- 302 Physical (233 Base, 24.7% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (1H Sword)
Falcon Rune:  699 ITE Physical

VIKTOR
HP: 616………………………102.3%
MP: 6/4/3
Attack: 362 (177 Base)
Skill: 81……………………..-30.2% Relative Evade (3.67% Raw)
Def: 264 (180 Base)………Cuts by 32 (13.3%)
Speed: 140…………………+0.11 SD
Magic: 111………………….Cuts by 7 (2.9%)
Luck: 127
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 268 Physical (282 Base, 20.8% Crit Rate, 67% Hit Rate)(2H Sword)

YAM KOO
HP: 621………………………103.1%
Attack: 294 (144 Base)
Skill: 162……………………..10.8% Relative Evade (34% Raw)
Def: 186 (102 Base)……Takes extra 46 (19.1%)
Speed: 172…………………+1.07 SD
Magic: 87………………….Takes extra 17 (7.1%)
Luck: 126
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: +0.92 SD)

Attack- 325 Physical (214 Base, 28.2% Crit Rate, 97% Hit Rate) (Spear)

[Dhyerwolf]

Anji
HP: 670………………………111.3%
Attack: 313 (163 Base)
Skill: 148……………………..4.5% Relative Evade (29.33% Raw)
Def: 188 (104 Base)……Takes extra 44 (18.3%)
Speed: 152…………………+0.47 SD
Magic: 81………………….Takes extra 23 (9.6%)
Luck: 83
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: +0.32 SD)

Attack- 317 Physical (233 Base, 23.1% Crit Rate, 93% Hit Rate) (Spear)

Antonio
HP: 499………………………82.9%
Attack: 279 (109 Base)
Skill: 117……………………..-9.5% Relative Evade (19% Raw)
Def: 234 (105 Base)………Cuts by 2 (0.8%)
Speed: 129…………………-0.23 SD
Magic: 66………………….Takes extra 38 (15.8%)
Luck: 112
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: -0.38 SD)

Attack- 250 Physical (199 Base, 22.9% Crit Rate, 86% Hit Rate) (Cooking Pan/Axe)

Blackman
HP: 623………………………103.5%
Attack: 315 (145 Base)
Skill: 101……………………..-20.7% Relative Evade (10.67% Raw)
Def: 258 (163 Base)……Cuts by 26 (10.8%)
Speed: 104…………………-0.98 SD
Magic: 62………………….Takes extra 42 (17.4%)
Luck: 107
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 266 Physical (235 Base, 20.8% Crit Rate, 80% Hit Rate) (Farming Hoe/Axe)
Hits Earth Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Camille
HP: 616………………………103.3%
MP: 8/5/4/2
Attack: 293 (143 Base)
Skill: 209……………………..18.9% Relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 202 (118 Base)……Takes extra 30 (12.5%)
Speed: 154…………………+0.53 SD
Magic: 144………………….Cuts by 40 (16.6%)
Luck: 105
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 346 Physical (213 Base, 31.3% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Spear)

Eikei- Double Beat
HP: 626………………………104%
Attack: 316 (146 Base)
Skill: 134……………………..-1.8% Relative Evade (24.67% Raw)
Def: 229 (145 Base)……Takes extra 3 (1.2%)
Speed: 93…………………-1.31 SD
Magic: 44………………….Takes 60 extra (24.9%)
Luck: 104
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: -1.46 SD)

Attack- 307 Physical (236 Base, 23.8% Crit Rate, 88% Hit Rate) (Fists)
Double Beat Rune- Allows Eikei to strike 2 enemies (Doesn’t have a DL use)

Fu Su Lu
HP: 824………………………136.9%
Attack: 387 (217 Base)
Skill: 65……………………..-35.1% Relative Evade (0% Raw)
Def: 249 (165 Base)……Cuts by 17 (7.1%)
Speed: 66…………………-2.12 SD
Magic: 47………………….Takes 57 extra (23.6%)
Luck: 65
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen 5 HP a turn (New Speed: -2.27 SD)

Attack- 240 Physical (307 Base, 13% Crit Rate, 62% Hit Rate) (Fists)

Fuma
HP: 619………………………102.8%
Attack: 296 (146 Base)
Skill: 150……………………..5.4% Relative Evade (30% Raw)
Def: 225 (141 Base)……Takes extra 7 (2.9%)
Speed: 167…………………+0.92 SD
Magic: 67………………….Takes 37 extra (15.4%)
Luck: 110
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: 0.77 SD)

Attack- 305 Physical (216 Base, 26% Crit Rate, 93% Hit Rate) (Shuriken/Darts)
Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Gen
HP: 686………………………113.9%
Attack: 330 (170 Base)
Skill: 143……………………..2.2% Relative Evade (27.67% Raw)
Def: 211 (127 Base)……Takes extra 21 (8.7%)
Speed: 134…………………-0.08 SD
Magic: 72………………….Takes 32 extra (13.3%)
Luck: 136
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 354 Physical (250 Base, 27.9% Crit Rate, 91% Hit Rate) (2H Sword)

Gon
HP: 551………………………91.5%
Attack: 278 (128 Base)
Skill: 130……………………..-3.6% Relative Evade (23.33% Raw)
Def: 286 (147 Base)……Cuts by 54 (22.4%)
Speed: 113…………………-0.71 SD
Magic: 86………………….Takes 18 extra (7.5%)
Luck: 212

Attack- 290 Physical (198 Base, 34.2% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (1H Sword)

Griffith
HP: 627………………………104.1%
Attack: 294 (144 Base)
Skill: 106……………………..-16.2% Relative Evade (14% Raw)
Def: 267 (138 Base)……Cuts by 35 (14.5%)
Speed: 114…………………-0.68 SD
Magic: 86………………….Takes 18 extra (7.5%)
Luck: 105

Attack- 250 Physical (214 Base, 21.1% Crit Rate, 82 Hit Rate)(1H Sword)

Juppo
HP: 503………………………83.5%
Attack: 258 (108 Base)
Skill: 188……………………..18.9% relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 211 (127 Base)………Takes extra 21 (8.7%)
Speed: 133…………………-0.11 SD
Magic: 136………………….Cuts by 32 (13.3%)
Luck: 157
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: -0.26 SD)

Attack- 300 Physical (178 Base, 34.5% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Darts)
Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)
Trick- 267 ITE Physical
Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Kage
HP: 553………………………91.8%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 278 (128 Base)
Skill: 160……………………..9.9% Relative Evade (33.33% Raw)
Def: 221 (137 Base)……Takes extra 11 (4.6%)
Speed: 196………………+1.79 SD
Magic: 103………………….Takes 1 extra (0.4%)
Luck: 98
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: +1.64 SD)

Attack- 291 Physical (198 Base, 25.8% Crit Rate, 97% Hit Rate) (Throwing Knife/Darts)

Kai
HP: 677………………………112.4%
Attack: 326 (168 Base)
Skill: 108……………………..18.9% relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 212 (128 Base)……Takes extra 20 (8.3%)
Speed: 97…………………-1.19 SD
Magic: 67………………….Takes 37 extra (15.4%)
Luck: 111
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: -1.34 SD)

Attack- 294 Physical (246 Base, 21.9% Crit Rate, 83% Hit Rate) (Staff)
Hazy Rune- Boosts Evade

Kamandol
HP: 567………………………94.2%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 259 (129 Base)
Skill: 187……………………..18.9% relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 161 (77 Base)………Takes extra 71 (29.5%)
Speed: 111…………………-0.77 SD
Magic: 104………………….Average
Luck: 85
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen  5 HP a turn (New Speed: -0.92 SD)

Attack- 276 Physical (179 Base, 27.2% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Rod)

Kanak
HP: 626………………………104%
Attack: 292 (142 Base)
Skill: 147……………………..4.1% Relative Evade (29% Raw)
Def: 215 (131 Base)…..Takes extra 17 (7.1%)
Speed: 170…………………+1.01 SD
Magic: 42………………….Takes 62 Extra (25.8%)
Luck: 82
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 284 Physical (212 Base, 22.9% Crit Rate, 92% Hit Rate) (Sickle&Chain/Spear)

Kessler
HP: 625………………………103.8%
Attack: 316 (146 Base)
Skill: 148……………………..4.8% Relative Evade (29.33% Raw)
Def: 217 (122 Base)……Takes extra 15 (6.2%)
Speed: 106…………………-0.92 SD
Magic: 85………………….Takes extra 19 (7.9%)
Luck: 102
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 329 Physical (236 Base, 25% Crit Rate, 93% Hit Rate) (Axe)

Kimberly
HP: 558………………………92.7%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 279 (129 Base)
Skill: 168……………………..14% Relative Evade (36.33% Raw)
Def: 208 (124 Base)……Takes extra 24 (10%)
Speed: 159…………………+0.68 SD
Magic: 91………………….Takes extra 13 (5.4%)
Luck: 145
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 322 Physical (199 Base, 30.9% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Kitchen Knife/1H Sword)

Kirke
HP: 628………………………104.3%
Attack: 306 (146 Base)
Skill: 131……………………..-3.1% Relative Evade (23.67% Raw)
Def:  211 (127 Base)……Takes extra 21 (8.7%)
Speed: 110…………………-0.8 SD
Magic: 89………………….Takes extra 15 (6.2%)
Luck: 47
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 267 Physical (226 Base, 17.8% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (2H Sword)

Kreutz
HP: 682………………………113.2%
Attack: 328 (168 Base)
Skill: 108……………………..-14.4% Relative Evade (15.33% Raw)
Def: 305 (165 Base)……Cuts by 73 (30.3%)
Speed: 63…………………-2.21 SD
Magic: 64………………….Takes extra 40 (16.6%)
Luck: 72

Attack- 280 Physical (248 Base, 18% Crit Rate, 83% Hit Rate) (2H Sword)

Leonardo
HP: 678………………………112.6%
Attack: 321 (161 Base)
Skill: 102……………………..-19.8% Relative Evade (11.33% Raw)
Def: 210 (126 Base)……Takes extra 22 (9.1%)
Speed: 131…………………-0.17 SD
Magic: 68………………….Takes extra 36 (15%)
Luck: 69

Attack- 262 Physical (241 Base, 17.1% Crit Rate, 81% Hit Rate) (Axe)

Lester
HP: 547………………………90.8%
Attack: 300 (130 Base)
Skill: 132……………………..-2.7% Relative Evade (24% Raw)
Def: 232 (103 Base)……Average
Speed: 151…………………+0.44 SD
Magic: 62………………….Takes extra 42 (17.4%)
Luck: 141
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: +0.29 SD)

Attack- 296 Physical (220 Base, 27.3% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (Cooking Pan/Axe)

Liukan
HP: 491………………………81.6%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 242 (112 Base)
Skill: 186……………………..18.9% relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 242 (Base)…………..Cuts by 10 (4.2%)
Speed: 121…………………-0.47 SD
Magic: 106………………….Cuts by 2 (0.8%)
Luck: 149
Heals 10 HP a turn

Attack- 270 Physical (162 Base, 33.5% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Rod)

Lorelai
HP: 627………………………104.1%
Attack: 305 (150 Base)
Skill: 184……………………..18.9% relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 251 (122 Base)……Cuts by 19 (7.9%)
Speed: 109…………………-0.83 SD
Magic: 89………………….Takes extra 15 (6.2%)
Luck: 90

Attack- 350 Physical (225 Base, 27.4% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Bow)
Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Lotte
HP: 494………………………82%
MP: 8/7/5/3
Attack: 243 (113 Base)
Skill: 130……………………..1% Relative Evade (26.67% Raw)
Def: 191 (107 Base)……Takes extra 41 (16.2%)
Speed: 150…………………+0.41
Magic: 161………………….Cuts by 36 (15%)
Luck: 122
Heals 5 HP a turn
Halves Earth

Attack- 213 Physical (163 Base, 25.2% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (Rod)

EARTH RUNE
Clay Guardian- Bugged; No Effect
Voice of Earth- 380 MT Earth Magic
Copper Flesh- Immunity to damage/HP changes for 3 turns (including the turn it was cast on)
Earthquake- 780 MT Earth Magic

Maas
HP: 561………………………93.2%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 277 (127 Base)
Skill: 146 ……………………..3.6% Relative Evade (28.67% Raw)
Def: 212 (128 Base)……Takes extra 20 (8.3%)
Speed: 130…………………-0.2 SD
Magic: 91………………….Takes extra 13 (5.4%)
Luck: 128
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 281 Physical (197 Base, 27.4% Crit Rate, 92% Hit Rate) (Hammer/Spear)

Mace
HP: 680………………………112.9%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 311 (161 Base)
Skill: 167……………………..13.1% Relative Evade (35.67% Raw)
Def: 249 (165 Base)……Cuts by 17 (7.1%)
Speed: 151…………………+0.44 SD
Magic: 102………………….Takes extra 2 (0.8%)
Luck: 146
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 372 Physical (231 Base, 31.3% Crit Rate, 99% Hit Rate) (Hammer/Spear)

Meese
HP: 562………………………93.3%
Attack: 270 (120 Base)
Skill: 142……………………..1.8% Relative Evade (27.33% Raw)
Def: 218 (134 Base)……Takes extra 14 (5.8%)
Speed: 127…………………-0.29 SD
Magic: 87………………….Takes extra 17 (7.1%)
Luck: 130
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 267 Physical (190 Base, 27.2% Crit Rate, 91% Hit Rate) (Hammer/Spear)

Meg
HP: 550………………………91.3%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 272 (122 Base)
Skill: 144……………………..2.7% Relative Evade (28% Raw)
Def: 194 (130 Base)……Takes extra 38 (15.8%)
Speed: 132…………………-0.14 SD
Magic: 122 (107 Base)………………….Cuts by 18 (7.5%)
Luck: 208
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 298 Physical (192 Base, 35.2% Crit Rate, 91% Hit Rate) (Throwing Knife/Darts)
Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Mina
HP: 446………………………74.1%
MP: 8/7/5/3
Attack: 244 (86 Base)
Skill: 126……………………..-5.4% Relative Evade (22% Raw)
Def: 204 (126 Base)……Takes extra 28 (11.6%)
Speed: 137 ………………..+0.02 SD
Magic: 161………………….Cuts by 57 (23.6%)
Luck: 171
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 227 Physical (164 Base, 29.7% Crit Rate, 87% Hit Rate) (Dancing)

Moose
HP: 556………………………92.3%
Attack: 274 (124 Base)
Skill: 158……………………..9% Relative Evade (32.67% Raw)
Def: 215 (131 Base)……Takes extra 17 (7.1%)
Speed: 131…………………-0.17 SD
Magic: 89………………….Takes extra 15 (6.2%)
Luck: 132
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 294 Physical (194 Base, 29% Crit Rate, 96% Hit Rate) (Hammer/Spear)

Morgan
HP: 685………………………113.8%
Attack: 340 (170 Base)
Skill: 107……………………..-15.3% Relative Evade (14.67% Raw)
Def: 232 (148 Base)……Average
Speed: 88…………………-1.46 SD
Magic: 41………………….Takes extra 63 (26.2%)
Luck: 70
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: -1.6 SD)

Attack- 289 Physical (260 Base, 17.7% Crit Rate, 82% Hit Rate) (Fists)
Counter Rune- Boosts Counter Rates; Counter only kicks in when evasion occurs and only against certain enemies. This is pretty pointless for Morgan

Mose
HP: 625………………………103.8%
Attack: 295 (145 Base)
Skill: 148……………………..4.5% Relative Evade (29.33% Raw)
Def: 229 (145 Base)……Takes extra 3 (1.2%)
Speed: 135…………………-0.03 SD
Magic: 70………………….Takes extra 34 (14.1%)
Luck: 112

Attack- 305 Physical (215 Base, 26% Crit Rate, 93% Hit Rate) (Hammer/Spear)

Quincy
HP: 557………………………92.5%
Attack: 277 (127 Base)
Skill: 217……………………..18.9% relative Evade (40% Raw)
Def: 230 (146 Base)……Takes extra 2 (0.8%)
Speed: 151 …………………+0.44 SD
Magic: 64………………….Takes extra 40 (16.6%)
Luck: 143
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: +0.29 SD)

Attack- 339 Physical (197 Base, 36% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Darts)
Hits Thunder Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Rubi
HP: 632………………………105%
MP: 8/7/6/3
Attack: 300 (145 Base)
Skill: 164 ……………………..11.7% Relative Evade (34.67% Raw)
Def: 212 (128 Base)……Takes extra 20 (8.3%)
Speed: 166…………………+0.89 SD
Magic: 167………………….Cuts by 63 (26.2%)
Luck: 44
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 305 Physical (220 Base, 20.8% Crit Rate, 98% Hit Rate) (Bow)
Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Sansuke
HP: 503………………………83.5%
Attack: 264 (104 Base)
Skill: 146 ……………………..3.6% Relative Evade (28.67% Raw)
Def: 231 (147 Base)……Takes extra 1 (0.4%)
Speed: 130…………………-0.20 SD
Magic: 63………………….Takes extra 41 (17%)
Luck: 113
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: -0.35 SD)

Attack- 257 Physical (184 Base, 25.9% Crit Rate, 92% Hit Rate) (2H Sword)

Sarah
HP: 618………………………102.6%
MP: 7/5/4/1
Attack: 301 (151 Base)
Skill: 100……………………..-17.1% Relative Evade (13.33% Raw)
Def: 233 (149 Base)……Cuts by 1 (0.4%)
Speed: 111…………………-0.77 SD
Magic: 131………………….Cuts 27 (11.2%)
Luck: 83
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: -0.92 SD)

Attack- 242 Physical (221 Base, 18.3% Crit Rate, 80% Hit Rate) (Throwing Knife/Darts)
Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Sergei
HP: 439………………………72.9%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 211 (81 Base)
Skill: 158……………………..9% Relative Evade (32.67% Raw)
Def: 246 (162 Base)……Cuts by 14 (5.8%)
Speed: 106…………………-0.92 SD
Magic: 91………………….Takes extra 13 (5.4%)
Luck: 91
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 188 Physical (131 Base, 24.9% Crit Rate, 96% Hit Rate) (Wrench/Rod)

Stallion
HP: 493………………………81.9%
Attack: 261 (106 Base)
Skill: 157……………………..8.1% Relative Evade (32% Raw)
Def: 228 (145 Base)……Takes extra 4 (1.7%)
Speed: 219…………………+2.48 SD
Magic: 127………………….Cuts by 23 (9.6%)
Luck: 124
Heals 5 HP a turn

Attack- 271 Physical (181 Base, 28.1% Crit Rate, 96% Hit Rate) (Bow)
Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Sydonia
HP: 554………………………92%
MP: 6/4/2
Attack: 280 (130 Base)
Skill: 171……………………..14.8% Relative Evade (37% Raw)
Def: 187 (103 Base)………Takes extra 45 (18.7%)
Speed: 172…………………+1.07 SD
Magic: 100………………….Takes extra 4 (2%)
Luck: 80
Heals 5 HP a turn
Can lose 5 speed to gain 9 Defense and regen a total of 10 HP a turn (New Speed: +0.92 SD)

Attack- 300 Physical (200 Base, 25.1% Crit Rate, 100% Hit Rate) (Darts)
Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Tengaar
HP: 497 ………………………82.5%
MP: 9/8/6/4
Attack: 234 (104 Base)
Skill: 165……………………..12.2% Relative Evade (35% Raw)
Def: 223 (129 Base)……Takes extra 9 (3.7%)
Speed: 144…………………+0.23 SD
Magic: 181………………….Cuts by 77 (32%)
Luck: 84
Heals 10 HP a turn

Attack- 226 Physical (154 Base, 24.9% Crit Rate, 98% Hit Rate) (Knife/Rod)
Hits Wind Weakness (Gets 50% Boost instead of 2x magic gets)

Varkas
HP: 688………………………114.3%
Attack: 339 (169 Base)
Skill: 102……………………..-19.8% Relative Evade (11.33% Raw)
Def: 239 (144 Base)…………..Cuts by 7 (2.9%)
Speed: 109…………………-0.83 SD
Magic: 67………………….Takes extra 34 (14.1%)
Luck: 85

Attack- 288 Physical (259 Base, 18.7% Crit Rate, 81% Hit Rate) (Axe)

Warren
HP: 624………………………103.6%
Attack: 298 (148 Base)
Skill: 134……………………..-1.8% Relative Evade (24.67% Raw)
Def: 227 (143 Base)……Takes extra 5 (2.1%)
Speed: 106…………………-0.92 SD
Magic: 88………………….Takes extra 16 (6.6%)
Luck: 107

Attack- 310 Physical (208 Base, 26.9% Crit Rate, 97% Hit Rate) (Spear)

[Dhyerwolf]

I have averages lists somewhere.

[Dhyerwolf]

BOSSES
Notes
1 . Unites- I didn’t factor these into damage averages, but they are worth considering for some. For example, Kobold +1 Attack (Fu Su Lu, Kuromimi, Gon) is basically like a guaranteed crit that also ignores ITE. These aren’t a big deal, but if we count even loser PCs, these can be a saving grace for some of them.

Neclord is coming

SONYA
6000 HP (Sonya is fought shortly after a very durable boss. As such, you’ll likely not have maximum MP on the big damage spells. Take that as you will, but I think it’s worthy as a little credit at least).
125 Skl…………10%-15% evasion
110 Def………Cuts Physicals by about 30
160 Spd………A little bit over 1 SD above average
Halves Water, Fire, Lightning, Earth and Wind
**Note that I don’t know how Suikosource knows she resists Water. There isn’t a Water magic spell on the PC side and elemental weapons ignore resistance

PC HP: ~560
PC Def: ~210
PC Speed: ~126
PC Mag: ~100
PC Skl: ~135
PC Damage: ~460 (3 Turn)

Physical: 260 Physical Damage (1H Sword), 70-75% Accuracy
Water Spell: 280 MT Water Magic

AIN GIDE
8000 HP
80 Skl…………………Not evading unless facing pretty bad acc.
120 Def……………..Cuts physicals by about 40
130 Spd………………..Very average!
Halves Fire and Lightning

PC HP: ~580
PC Def: 215
PC Mag: ~100
PC Speed: ~130
PC Skl: ~140
PC Damage: ~475 (3 Turn Average)

Physical- 280 Physical (2H Sword), 60% Hit Rate unless your evasion is notably below average
Fire Attack- 310 MT Fire Magic

BARBAROSSA (GOLDEN HYDRA)
Right Head/Middle Head/Left Head
10,000 HP (All Three)
105 Skl (All Three)………….5-10% evasion or so
55 Def (All Three)…………..(Takes an extra 25)
75 Speed (All Three)
Right Head: Halves Water and Lightning, Immune to Wind
Middle Head: Halves Fire and Earth, Immune to Lightning
Left Head: Halves Water and Lightning, Immune to Fire
**Note that I don’t know how Suikosource knows they resist Water. There isn’t a Water magic spell on the PC side and elemental weapons ignore resistance

PC HP: 602
PC Def:  ~260
PC Speed: 136.5 (32 Standard Deviation)
Note that Female Characters can boost speed by 30 with two Wing Earrings. Either way, Golden Hydra is a slug though.
PC Mag: 105
PC Skl: 140
PC Damage: 500 (3 Turn Average)

Only 1 Action from any of the below
Right Head: Fire Breath: 235 Fire Magic (340 Magic Power)
Middle Head: Thunder Attack:  205 MT Lightning Magic (310 Magic Power)
Middle Head: Rock Attack:  290 Physical
**I believe this is likely ITE
Left Head: Water Spell: Heals and Revives (if applicable) Right Head for an unspecified amount (generally less that you’ll do in a concentrated round of combat even with just high range physical attacks)
If all Heads Alive: Breath: 305 MT Magic Elemental (Dark?) Damage
**This attack is halved by Tir, but not by anyone with the 5 basic elemental runes or Ressurection. I could see saying this was Dark in the DL.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Cool.

Can you list what PCs get what equipment somewhere? (And also note locked equipment like Luc's Guard Robe.) Even though S1 has relatively few useful equip changes to make this relevant, it would be nice to have this noted without having to go to another resource.

Stallion's rune should probably be listed in his entry, DL-useless though it is (since it blocks him changing it out for something else for anyone who allows that etc.).

Too bad Fog of Deception turned out DL-useless. Oh well. Clay Guardian too, although with Copper Flesh around that was never actually going to matter.

[Magic Fanatic]

I didn’t go into other storeboughts because there is a super-unbalanced one right at endgame that gives +15 speed to girls that didn’t seem very reflective of most of the game.

If you're talking about the Wing Boots, this is pretty much directly false.  They're in Gregminster before you get banished, you just have to remember to talk to the armor salesman before you can't go back anymore.

And while the price is fairly prohibitive, they'll be in Chapman's store once you reach Antei to recruit her, which is...  What, about just before the midpoint of the game?

BARBAROSSA (GOLDEN HYDRA)
Right Head: Halves Water and Lightning, Immune to Wind
Middle Head: Halves Fire and Earth, Immune to Lightning
Left Head: Halves Water and Lightning, Immune to Fire
**Note that I don’t know how Suikosource knows they resist Water. There isn’t a Water magic spell on the PC side and elemental weapons ignore resistance

Likely the Water Dragon and Thor Rune Fusion spells.

[SnowFire]

Ain Gide translates too well.  He's some kind of Low Middle rather than borderline Puny.  Depressing.  (How often does he use his MT flame magic that doesn't suck in-game, anyway?  Not that it matters too much in the DL.)

[Dark Holy Elf]

I've played S1 four times and I've seen that move plenty. Still not a good boss, but not even close to the worst boss the series has managed in-game!

[SnowFire]

I guess I just got lucky then.

[Dhyerwolf]

I waited around on both Ain Gide and Sonya for testing purposes, and I would say that while Sonya didn't like using the magic attack much, Ain Gide seemed perfectly happy to spam it.

Just to note that alternate equip effects are noted for every PC (I just didn't note the equip types). If you still want the typage NEB, I can add it.

Interesting fact about Wing Boots though. That makes them a little better certainly (although I still wouldn't factor them in, since it's pretty missable (counter-intuitive to a large degree), not cheap and not completely wrecks natural curves to some degree).

[Dark Holy Elf]

Knowing the equipment used for each PC is useful for e.g. what they can unequip against FFT divine knights, whether they might qualify as "armour" against FE rapiers, as well as what twink options are available for them in alternate tournaments. It also allows someone who takes a different view on legal equipment to make adjustments accordingly. It's the type of thing which should be in a stat topic IMO.

(I don't want to be a jerk about this, so if you don't want to do it you can always send me/link me to the information and I can add it myself.)

[Magic Fanatic]

Interesting fact about Wing Boots though. That makes them a little better certainly (although I still wouldn't factor them in, since it's pretty missable (counter-intuitive to a large degree), not cheap and not completely wrecks natural curves to some degree).

Well, if nothing else, they're only 1700 more than the Guard Rings that the last stat topic gave everyone, which even only 60%-80% into the game is a pretty negligible increase.  Got nothing to defend against the claims of it being missable if you just run past the shop and it being curve-wrecking, though.

[Dhyerwolf]

Knowing the equipment used for each PC is useful for e.g. what they can unequip against FFT divine knights, whether they might qualify as "armour" against FE rapiers, as well as what twink options are available for them in alternate tournaments. It also allows someone who takes a different view on legal equipment to make adjustments accordingly. It's the type of thing which should be in a stat topic IMO.

(I don't want to be a jerk about this, so if you don't want to do it you can always send me/link me to the information and I can add it myself.)

Here is at least a link to start: http://suikosource.com/games/gs1/guides/armor.php

There's notes on what a character can equip down at the bottom. So editing in would be easy, just not necessarily very quick!

[SnowFire]

Just finished this recently, so thread necro(lord) time!

Neclord is coming

Here he is!  Largely stolen from Suikosource but hey.

NECLORD
7500 HP
100 Skl…………~10% evasion.  (Worse in practice due to various ITE runes to put on low-SKL characters, e.g. Clone Rune on Viktor.)
80 Def………Averageish.
75 Spd………A slug.
Halves all "normal" elements: Water, Fire, Lightning, Earth and Wind.  Weak to Resurrection (= Holy).  Neutral to Soul Eater (=Dark/NE?).
Immune to everything until struck by the Star Dragon Sword (I'd throw this one out in the DL).

PC Lvl: ~47
PC HP: ~480
PC Speed: ~115? (Tir, Cleo, Hix, and Viktor are all required, all are above average speed vs. the cast at large, and all easily outspeed Neclord, so this number should be higher if anything.  Make of it what you will.)
PC Damage, nice: ~325? (assumes you had more party choice, good runes, ignores elemental resistance)
PC damage, realistic: ~225 (Hix is likely a scrub, Cleo's attack magic will be reduced by resistance, Viktor's damage is not amazing either)

Bat strike: 265 physical damage*, high (100%? ) chance of inflicting bat status = poison.  (Lose ~5% max HP every combat round.)
Blue wind: 180 MT Wind Magic
Blue lightning: 130 MT Lightning Magic

* Insert disclaimer that the physical must strike the front row, which is where your higher DEF members presumably are, so I amped the bat damage up a bit compared to what I actually saw in-game (e.g. 250 vs. Viktor or the like). 


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Well, original flavor Neclord has way worse offense compared to Neclord in Suikoden 2.  Only a single action, and it's slow.  That said, he's potentially more of a challenge in-game, somehow?!  Check out that HP and the more encompassing elemental resistances.  No Judgment for Tir yet as a reminder, and Holy element is insanely rare (1 underlevel PC, not tons of damage at base).  If you didn't bring a Water/Flowing Rune, those MT magic attacks can wear down your supply of Mega Medicines reasonably fast, actually, since you have to heal your front row a little early to stop them from getting bat'd.  Kneejerking an in-between damage average of 275 per PC or so, Neclord ends up around 1.8 PCHP scaled against 6 PCs, or 3.1 PCHP scaled against 3.5 PCs; adjust upward or downward by taste. 

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For the other bosses...

I've played S1 four times and I've seen that move plenty. Still not a good boss, but not even close to the worst boss the series has managed in-game!

Sonya spammed her MT water magic continually...  both times I fought her (whoops talked to Mathiu before talking with Sonya, haha no Gremio for me -> reload), making it a really intense fight!  I never saw Ain Gide's magic, and his lack of elemental resistances is really unwise in Suiko1, and Tir has another charge of Judgement by then (3 vs. 2).  Clearly some spiky/weird luck of the AI draw even given that Ain probably gets fewer turns to live.

Note that Female Characters can boost speed by 30 with two Wing Earrings. Either way, Golden Hydra is a slug though.

I think you meant Wing Boots here, and boost by 20?  Don't see any accessory called Wing Earrings either in-game or at FAQs.  Not super important for Golden Hydra of course, matters more for boss Sonya or the like.

[SnowFire]

Also, Wing Boots debate part 2.

Yeah, I agree with Magic Fanatic.  They're missable and they're somewhat curve-breaking, but…  not THAT missable, and they aren't even that pricy by Neclord's Castle or so.  (Certainly less missable than, say, recruiting Crowley without a FAQ or the like.)  In fact, I was able to buy a set while still in the Gregminster area near the start of the game, and without save/load cheezing the cup game either.  Granted, this was thanks to saving and not spending money on anything else.  Anyway, as a result, I'd say that Wing Boot hype is probably reflective of the game, and the fact that you can still get them at endgame even if you missed the shop early helps the case for their legality, IMO.  (Earth Shields & Silver Hats are in the topic too, they also only come at Gregminster.)

Somewhat surprisingly, only 17/76 PCs are female and can equip Wing Boots (18/78 if including Odessa & Ted) (Stallion has 1 Wing Boots as a locked initial equip but I presume that's already baked into the existing average, and no, Milich can't equip them).  Additionally - and YMMV on this, the DL is not in-game - there's not any point in-game of boosting speed beyond 180, the speed of the fastest random according to Suikosource.  (Sonya, at 160, is the fastest boss if you're curious.)  Turn order seems very consistent with no random element, and speed buffs/debuffs don't seem to really exist (barring the Spark Rune?!), so once you outspeed every enemy in the game, further increasing speed doesn't actually help; might as well fall back to Guard Rings.  This applies to Kasumi & Sonya, and maybe Cleo.  So…  this only matters for ~15 or so PCs after all, and doesn't break the curve/averages as badly as you might expect.

If allowed to equip a single Wing Boots (Dhyer seems to imply he only allowed a single Guard Ring above):
** Females get +10 Spd and a totally irrelevant -1 Def (Wing Boots are 14 Def, Guard Ring is 15 Def).
** The cast average rises by +2 Spd (+2.2 Spd if counting the full 17) to 138.5 (138.7).

If allowed to equip double Wing Boots:
** Most females get +20 Spd and -2 Def.
** Sonya, Eileen, and Mina have a locked accessory equip and can only grab 1 Wing Boots (although Sonya is already soft-capped anyway).  Cleo only needs 1x Boots to soft cap, if you care.
** The cast average rises by +3.5 Spd (+4.1 Spd w/ 15.5) to 140.0 (140.6).

While this is arguably "cheating" in favor of the cast, I can also see holding the males against the unequipped average and females against the Wing Boots average.  Although it's really not that huge a difference anyway, per above.

Anyway, the winners if you do this:
* Eileen & Hellion get off their Copper Flesh cheeze faster.
* Valeria and Ronnie Bell squeak their way to "barely above average" speed if allowed 2x Boots, but not with 1x Boots.  They really like that.
* Cleo goes from extremely speedy to Sonya/Kasumi level (and only needs 1x Wing Boots to soft cap).  Sonya & Kasumi are already soft-capped without need for Boots hype.
* Tengaar & Lorelai like the speed but won't be using their Suiko1 forms unless forced due to no starting runes here.
* Nobody cares about Sylvina, Sarah, Mina, Millia, Meg, Lotte, Kimberly, or Camille.