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Heavy Team Tourney (A Group)
« on: February 09, 2016, 07:08:09 AM »
24 unique team submissions! For characters that were nom'd multiple times, I went with a first come first serve basis just so we can get a nice mix of characters. This tourney will be a little unique, in that in the first phase, the teams have been divided into 8 different Groups of 3. These groupings were all random. Each group will then face off against several teams that were Hatbot'd. However, these teams will not always be in compositions of 3s - some will have less, some will have more. It will be a mix in either case. 1st and 2nd will then go into a Winner's  and Loser's place. 3rd place gets eliminated. Winner's / Loser's pools will then go up against each other later. Should be fun and let us see a good mix of team fights. And with that, onward to Group A and opponents:

PS: If the enemy teams look unbalanced, please direct all hate towards Hatbot. I used the random number generator to determine most of these teams :V

"I feel pretty"
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Lady, Killer
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus

Team DARKNESS
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Lady, Killer
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus

Bringers of Light:
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Lady, Killer
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (A Group)
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2016, 04:21:58 PM »
I feel pretty"
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim - EDIT: Oh, Waterspout is MT? Welp, Kyogre probably MT OHKOs everyone. 
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma - I can't seem to find notes for how fast Ana is so I'm going to assume she is average. Anyways, this is bad news for Team Pretty! Impulse gets powered up with Allies, so Ana just spams that. Cloud is 97% average speed so he won't get a turn until after Ana has hit them. If you take Lawfer as average, he probably just cleans up after Ana. I guess Lucius can heal Cloud before Lawfer goes, but that's really delaying the inevitable, since Cloud's HP will be lowered so his physical won't be good strong enough anymore. Drachma and Caina are pretty much non-entities. Gate of Isolde's appears to be random statii and ST (I think?) and Drachma is just too slow. 
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Lady, Killer - Um...
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus - Tibarn's support is actually pretty good. Marle's going to haste either Tibarn or Kyle, which causes all sorts of problems (either in more offense or haste healing). If they all focus fire on Marle/Kyle, they can probably take either one out. But either one being alive is bad news. Cloud can even make his magic MT, but it's not enough.

Bringers of Light:
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim - EDIT: Kyogre is also apparently at least 115% average so he will get first turn and drop Waterspout on everyone. This basically means its Raze versus the world and uh...that ain't happening. 
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma - Kurando and Raze murder Ana and uh...that's that more or less. Thanks Hatbot for easy votes!
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Lady, Killer - Turn order is Kurando > Raze > Lady > Serge >= Killer. This is awfully close for me. It is such a shame that Serge is not faster than average because if he was, this would be an easy vote. As is, mm... do I see a Heavenquake + Drive Calibur being enough to kill Lady? That's pretty much what this comes down to. I see Lady at about 1.1 PCHP and Kurando + Raze can do about 2.62 average, so yeah, they just miss the mark by a fraction. Lower respect on Lady's HP would let them take this. As is, Lady gets a turn, kills everyone but Raze so she D-Combos to Killer who finishes the job. If they kill Lady before she moves, then Serge can get a crack at Killer and even if he uses his Double, he won't be able to kill the entire team off, so he's easy pickings if that happens.
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus - Kurando goes first and OHKO's Marle. Tibarn needs to kill Kurando or he will just start healing people back to full. This frees Raze and Serge to kill Kyle (heck Serge can build levels off of Algus), at which point they can drop unevadable/uncounterable attacks on Tibarn.

Team Pretty - 0-4
Team Bringers of Light: 2-2
« Last Edit: February 10, 2016, 05:52:05 AM by Tide »
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (A Group)
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2016, 05:20:15 AM »
"I feel pretty"
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim: *looks something up* Water Spout is MT. Oh man, 1.23 PCHP damage off 119% speed if he goes first. Which he does here. Cloud gets OHKOed, Eph finishes Caina, Lucius ain't soloing.
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma: Yeah, Impulse hurts, Lawfer hurts. Ana is actually below average speed, but outspeeds Caina, so she'll get a turn for sure.
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Lady, Killer: lolno
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus: Sadly, Team Pretty just isn't very good.

Team DARKNESS
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim: Cthulhu is the fastest here, and he needs to make Water Spout less insane. So he Dark Strikes Kyogre for 43% of its HP. Kyogre uses Hydro Pump instead to bump off Sierra, who is very dangerous. Eph and Athos... both want to wait for the other to go first, but Athos has to or Clive+Eph will act together and kill him. Gut says they can bring him down one way or another, even if he kills one of them in the process, and Kyogre + the other should be able to deal with Cthulhu.
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma: Nothing stops Sierra from getting a turn and vaporising somone. Hell, the entire team is faster, here (unless Lawfer goes before Athos), so it's possible that, say, Sierra MT + Cthulhu and Athos ST picks off two people before they move.
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Lady, Killer: Again, superior speed carries the day here. All three attacking Lady should kill her, and Killer goes after everyone. But... only Sierra has good MT, so only one of them can die. Lady death counter goes off. Killer must kill Cthulhu lest Cthulhu go again, and only a ST attack is good enough. Next turn he... can't possibly kill both. He can go for silence but that's dicy against Athos res, and anyway physicals from Sierra are legit. So he kills... let's say Sierra. Can Killer survive one Sierra spell + one Athos spell? Yeah, both hit hard, probably not. Good fight!
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus: Sierra outspeeds Tibarn and a Finger of Death on him is really bad news. Yeah yeah Marle can revive if she even gets a turn (Cthulhu + Athos can ensure she doesn't). Kyle/Algus aren't coming back from this.

Bringers of Light:
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim: Kyogre is clearly faster than Kurando, actually! MT doom happens.
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma: Yeah, lightbringers getting the speed drop here should ensure they win the slugfest.
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Lady, Killer: My Lady HP respect isn't so low that Kurando+Raze can kill her. If Serge also outspeeds Lady the fight gets better, but I think they're still in a lot of trouble, as the Malice Dirge counter stings and then Killer can spam MT to finish this (since the team lacks anyone as magically tanky as Athos).
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus: Tide's analysis seems mostly on for turn 1, but turn 2 not so much? In order for Kyle to actually die, Serge needs to use a tech, which means he isn't outspeeding Tibarn turn 2. Tibarn's going to OHKO Serge, and then Raze has nothing ITE.

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Light 1-3
Pretty 0-4

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (A Group)
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2016, 05:26:20 AM »
"I feel pretty"
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim - Waterspout is MT?  Goooodbye teams.
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma - I'll buy Impulse hype
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Lady, Killer - wreckings
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus

Team DARKNESS
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Lady, Killer - probably
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus - the finger

Bringers of Light:
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Lady, Killer
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (A Group)
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2016, 01:48:31 PM »
"I feel pretty"
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim: *looks something up* Water Spout is MT. Oh man, 1.23 PCHP damage off 119% speed if he goes first. Which he does here. Cloud gets OHKOed, Eph finishes Caina, Lucius ain't soloing.
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma: Yeah, Impulse hurts, Lawfer hurts. Ana is actually below average speed, but outspeeds Caina, so she'll get a turn for sure.
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Lady, Killer: lolno
Cloud, Lucius (FE7), Caina (WA2) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus: Sadly, Team Pretty just isn't very good.

Team DARKNESS
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim: Cthulhu is the fastest here, and he needs to make Water Spout less insane. So he Dark Strikes Kyogre for 43% of its HP. Kyogre uses Hydro Pump instead to bump off Sierra, who is very dangerous. Eph and Athos... both want to wait for the other to go first, but Athos has to or Clive+Eph will act together and kill him. Gut says they can bring him down one way or another, even if he kills one of them in the process, and Kyogre + the other should be able to deal with Cthulhu.
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma: Nothing stops Sierra from getting a turn and vaporising somone. Hell, the entire team is faster, here (unless Lawfer goes before Athos), so it's possible that, say, Sierra MT + Cthulhu and Athos ST picks off two people before they move.
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Lady, Killer: Again, superior speed carries the day here. All three attacking Lady should kill her, and Killer goes after everyone. But... only Sierra has good MT, so only one of them can die. Lady death counter goes off. Killer must kill Cthulhu lest Cthulhu go again, and only a ST attack is good enough. Next turn he... can't possibly kill both. He can go for silence but that's dicy against Athos res, and anyway physicals from Sierra are legit. So he kills... let's say Sierra. Can Killer survive one Sierra spell + one Athos spell? Yeah, both hit hard, probably not. Good fight!
Cthulhu (CStW), Athos (FE7), Sierra (S2) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus: Sierra outspeeds Tibarn and a Finger of Death on him is really bad news. Yeah yeah Marle can revive if she even gets a turn (Cthulhu + Athos can ensure she doesn't). Kyle/Algus aren't coming back from this.

Bringers of Light:
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Kyogre, Clive (WA3), Ephraim: Kyogre is clearly faster than Kurando, actually! MT doom happens.
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Anastasia (WA2), Lawfer, Drachma: Yeah, lightbringers getting the speed drop here should ensure they win the slugfest.
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Lady, Killer: My Lady HP respect isn't so low that Kurando+Raze can kill her. If Serge also outspeeds Lady the fight gets better, but I think they're still in a lot of trouble, as the Malice Dirge counter stings and then Killer can spam MT to finish this (since the team lacks anyone as magically tanky as Athos).
Raze (MK2), Kurando (SH2), Serge (CC) vs. Tibarn, Marle, Kyle (S5), Algus: Tide's analysis seems mostly on for turn 1, but turn 2 not so much? In order for Kyle to actually die, Serge needs to use a tech, which means he isn't outspeeding Tibarn turn 2. Tibarn's going to OHKO Serge, and then Raze has nothing ITE.

DARKNESS 3-1
Light 1-3
Pretty 0-4
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (A Group)
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2016, 08:43:41 AM »
Elf votes sound good to me, mostly.  The one exception is CC interps, but my MK2 knowledge is all theorycraft and I don't think it matters...  even without speed antihype for Serge, Tibarn should win the movement speed tiebreak if both are seen as averagish, so that probably seals the deal anyway.

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Light 1-3
Pretty 0-4