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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #450 on: November 05, 2016, 02:03:42 AM »
There is nothing you can tell her that will illicit any kind of response Super.  Anyone that has shared a bed work OK that long knows enough.

And for what it is worth Fen, I think the DL is a relatively ok place for getting it isn't about Euro vs Americans superiority pissing contest like a lot of the internet.
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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #451 on: November 05, 2016, 02:34:56 AM »
I don't know how you all manage to not completely lose your mind

Who says we haven't? I am actually in therapy now and this miserable shitstorm is at the least a significant contributing factor. It's sucked all the joy out of living for a year now and I don't know whether I can cope with another four like it.

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #452 on: November 05, 2016, 03:58:25 AM »
And for what it is worth Fen, I think the DL is a relatively ok place for getting it isn't about Euro vs Americans superiority pissing contest like a lot of the internet.

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #453 on: November 05, 2016, 07:13:53 AM »
Anyway, at risk of a Godwin violation, I'm just gonna leave this here:

http://fusion.net/story/363002/hannah-arendt-donald-trump-origins-of-totalitarianism/

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #454 on: November 05, 2016, 12:35:57 PM »
I don't know how you all manage to not completely lose your mind

Who says we haven't? I am actually in therapy now and this miserable shitstorm is at the least a significant contributing factor. It's sucked all the joy out of living for a year now and I don't know whether I can cope with another four like it.

I am interjecting because that is laced with a hint of harm. You are not alone in this, we can help you cope.

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #455 on: November 05, 2016, 02:06:59 PM »
Classically, the evidence says you should turn to drinking. 

I hear heroin is popular too. 
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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #456 on: November 05, 2016, 06:00:06 PM »
Sorry to hear that Cid. Stay strong.

It's kind of a miracle that we seem to pretty much all agree about Trump, considering the DL is a forum of mostly white males with a lot of anime avatars

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #457 on: November 05, 2016, 06:07:43 PM »
The DL is 95% left of center to left, no surprise that it isn't a huge fan of Trump. Trump supporters tend to be less educated on the whole (DL averages out to around a 4 year college degree or slightly more than that on average),. Trump supporters also tend to skew older than the DL. We're mostly a bad demographic match.

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #458 on: November 05, 2016, 06:58:04 PM »
Fenrir's got a good point, though: there is a certain strain of young(ish) white male Trump supporter that you'll see in various other places of the internet: alt-right, antisocial types who would typically describe themselves by such labels as "anti-SJW" and spout conspiracy theories. However, the DL has always seemed to specifically reject that type, even moreso than our general left-wing bias would suggest (our more right-wing posters don't fit that description at all, e.g. Hal, Dune, ID).

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #459 on: November 08, 2016, 01:06:02 PM »
Fivethirtyeight tells me Clinton has a 71.6% chance of winning

FFT players know this doesn't look good

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #460 on: November 08, 2016, 03:49:50 PM »
Quick reminder that the reason why the 538 model has Trump higher that like every other model is that it gives significantly greater weight to the idea that literally all the polls are wrong in the same direction.  Which is possible, but other studies have looked at the possibility of a "hidden" base of bashful Trump voters and basically come up empty.
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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #461 on: November 08, 2016, 04:49:36 PM »
Well, the problem is, as 538 will tell you, is that all the polls have been wrong in the same direction before.  Repeatedly.  (The happy side of this is that it's also possible there's still the Clinton landslide we need.)

Say I told you exactly how each ethnic group (perhaps further subdivided by age & gender) will vote by state - whites will be 56% Trump, blacks will be 97% Clinton, Hispanics will be 70% Clinton, whatever.  You still have to guess the turnout-by-group, which is notoriously way harder to poll than how any particular group feels.  That's a case where response bias is huge and crippling because the kind of people who respond to polls and the kind of people who are marginal voters who might show up, might not don't have much overlap.

That said, the interesting thing for me is...
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/final-election-update-theres-a-wide-range-of-outcomes-and-most-of-them-come-up-clinton/

FINAL NATIONAL POLLING AVERAGE
YEAR   DEM CANDIDATE      GOP CANDIDATE      UNDECIDED/OTHER   
2000   Gore   43.6%   Bush   46.8%   Undecided/other   9.6%
2004   Kerry   47.4   Bush   48.9   Undecided/other   3.7
2008   Obama   52.1   McCain   44.5   Undecided/other   3.4
2012   Obama   48.8   Romney   48.1   Undecided/other   3.1
2016   Clinton   45.7   Trump   41.8   Undecided/other   12.5

WTF at 12.5% of voters being undecided (which is really why 538 threw their hands up in the air and said "I dunno").  How can you possibly still be undecided this late?  My personal *hope* is that "undecided" is code for "I don't like either candidate, and I have a preferred candidate, but I don't want to say I'm a supporter of them."  Or alternatively "I'm not really voting."  If that's the case, it's unlikely undecideds will hugely break for Trump, which is part of why the model is unsure about what is going on.

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #462 on: November 09, 2016, 03:43:42 AM »
I'm in Japan land and at work so it's difficult to check news outlets. But the DL works. Sure.

Do we have a new president yet?

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #463 on: November 09, 2016, 03:46:08 AM »
Not yet, but Trump is winning handily.

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #464 on: November 09, 2016, 04:04:33 AM »
What? Really? You trolling me because I can't check real news sites?

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #465 on: November 09, 2016, 04:10:53 AM »
I wish I was.  This is sheer lunacy.  Cue Bill Murray speech about cats and dogs living together.

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #466 on: November 09, 2016, 04:21:21 AM »
Sorry, Djinn.  Looking pretty likely Trump's gonna be sitting in the White House when the dust clears.

Guess you'll be wanting to stay in Japan for the next four years.

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #467 on: November 09, 2016, 04:32:56 AM »
 I've spent all summer and fall bitching to Dhyer in PM that I was worried that Hillary would find a way to fuck this up. What a horror show.
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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #468 on: November 09, 2016, 04:39:42 AM »
Da' fuck.

Florida for Trump.

He's ahead.

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #469 on: November 09, 2016, 04:43:08 AM »
I have Tequila here and I'm seriously considering getting drunk in spite of having work in 8 hours.
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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #470 on: November 09, 2016, 04:48:37 AM »
I have to drive to work in 5 hours or so - and I am seriously tempted to drink heavily and call off work tomorrow.
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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #471 on: November 09, 2016, 04:57:24 AM »
Well see you lot in 4 years.
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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #472 on: November 09, 2016, 05:00:25 AM »
Easy for you to say, Grefter.  You've got an ocean to buffer you.

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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #473 on: November 09, 2016, 05:10:45 AM »
WHAT THE FUCK PENNSYLVANIA!?!?!?!?!?
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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #474 on: November 09, 2016, 05:12:07 AM »
You are in Canada Excal, I might still visit there.
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