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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #800 on: April 24, 2017, 05:15:53 AM »
The only possibility I see is an anti-EU and anti-immigrant defection of voters on the far left.  But from what little I know of French politics that doesn't seem too likely?
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« Reply #801 on: April 24, 2017, 05:29:02 AM »
Yeah. Melanchon's base is less communist working class and more young and hopeful. Think Bernie Sanders' base. I don't see his voters going for Le Pen. Leaving the EU, maybe, but not like that.

The only issue I could see is mass abstention on the 2nd round
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« Reply #802 on: April 24, 2017, 08:24:30 AM »
I like that your runoff elections are so quick. The runoff for my district 6 (VOTE YOUR OSSOFF YALL) is June 20th, elections were April 18.  :-\

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« Reply #803 on: April 24, 2017, 09:46:55 AM »
Oh god yes. I'm happy there aren't two more months of uncertainty.
 It will all be over in two weeks.

I'm sad for Hamon, who was reasonable and humane (he gave an especially powerful speech post defeat) I really don't want Melanchon to devour the rest of the left

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« Reply #804 on: April 24, 2017, 11:36:27 AM »
There wasn't much evidence that Le Pen has any kind of hidden vote or would outperform her polls here, and yeah, it seems that the path for her to overcome that huge a polling disadvantage would be a huge defection (most of Melanchon voters will not vote for Le Pen) or if nobody votes. I'm unsure what turnout/energy is for this but I hope it's high.

I like that your runoff elections are so quick. The runoff for my district 6 (VOTE YOUR OSSOFF YALL) is June 20th, elections were April 18.  :-\
I think it's undercovered that this is a crazy result. The GA6 had fucking Newt Gingrich for years and for it to be possibly go blue is kind of incredible. Trump is very unpopular and the GOP is branded with a disastrously bad health care bill (and the new one looks worse), so this shit should be easy to run against and there should be someone put up in every district. This seems obvious but the Democratic party is so decimated in some states and districts that they aren't running anyone at all. Hopefully this energy keeps up into 2018.

Also, this week it's worth paying attention to what will happen with a possible government shutdown, with the WH insisting on payment for the stupid wall.

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« Reply #805 on: April 24, 2017, 03:25:25 PM »
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/le-pen-is-in-a-much-deeper-hole-than-trump-ever-was/

It's been making the rounds bit I don't think it's been posted here so: 538's analysis of why LePen is in deep doodoo.
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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #806 on: April 24, 2017, 06:46:34 PM »
There wasn't much evidence that Le Pen has any kind of hidden vote or would outperform her polls here, and yeah, it seems that the path for her to overcome that huge a polling disadvantage would be a huge defection (most of Melanchon voters will not vote for Le Pen) or if nobody votes. I'm unsure what turnout/energy is for this but I hope it's high.

I like that your runoff elections are so quick. The runoff for my district 6 (VOTE YOUR OSSOFF YALL) is June 20th, elections were April 18.  :-\
I think it's undercovered that this is a crazy result. The GA6 had fucking Newt Gingrich for years and for it to be possibly go blue is kind of incredible. Trump is very unpopular and the GOP is branded with a disastrously bad health care bill (and the new one looks worse), so this shit should be easy to run against and there should be someone put up in every district. This seems obvious but the Democratic party is so decimated in some states and districts that they aren't running anyone at all. Hopefully this energy keeps up into 2018.

Also, this week it's worth paying attention to what will happen with a possible government shutdown, with the WH insisting on payment for the stupid wall.

We're also trying to flip District 32, Democrat Christine Triebsch came out on top with a 3% margin and people vote again May 16. This is the Marietta area (re: we don't want public transit because it brings brown people-area). Her campagin finances pale in comparison. Georgians can be tempestuous - we've pretty much had a democratic governor since the 50s until Bush but crazy low voter turnout per districts. Even this year for District 6 is halfish of 2008 I believe.

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« Reply #807 on: April 25, 2017, 11:03:09 PM »
http://uproxx.com/technology/reddit-red-pill-founder/

EDIT: longer article http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/04/25/the-republican-lawmaker-who-secretly-created-reddit-s-women-hating-red-pill.html

and some of his comments:

"When I'm out with friends, including girls, you know EXACTLY what the conversation will entail, it's gossip or fashion, pop culture, trendiness, personal experiences. Nothing abstract. They do not chat in the abstract...when I told myself I thought they were smart, I really had the footnote in the back of my head... smart.. for a woman...But you know what two-way conversation I'm never going to have with a woman is? About how interesting special relativity is. How I consider the free-will argument to be moot because time travel causes paradoxes that render the concept nonsensical. Oh, sure, they'll be interested, or at least act like they are. But there will be no two way conversation...I don't hate women. I just understand what use they are to me."

“ I find women's personalities in general to be lackluster and boring, serving little purpose in my day to day life."

“Would you believe that religion and shaming of divorce was put into place to control female hypergamy? What you see today, with the decline of the control the church has on our society: divorce rates going up. Men getting screwed. Men inventing game to counteract the changes feminism brought to our society."

“women will gladly see to it that you do, in fact, die alone...Women will do what they want. They will do what ever fits their fancy. They just plainly do not give a shit!...But you have to be awake to the reality that in the woman's mind- her emotions are the only thing that matters to her. She will be fickle and can easily up and leave with literally no regrets..."

“Religion and Marriage were constructed to keep female hypergamy in check. Unfortunately, infidelity is no longer looked down upon and excommunication from the church doesn't matter. Since women can make money themselves, there's literally no reason for them to stay married."

“Women voting was an inevitability. I do believe old social structures like religion, marriage, honor, family lines, stuff like that were all constructs to keep hypergamy in check (among other things). As we lost those, we lost monogamy...If sexual strategy is amoral, then the question I guess we should ask women is this: Are you happier now? Though I don't think we'd get a terribly insightful answer to that, because there are plenty of women from old traditional marriages that are happy despite the controls keeping their hypergamy in check. If we ask a chick from today, she'd look at the old ways and say "heck no!" to that, because it wouldn't feed her hypergamous instinct, no matter how unhappy that truly makes her."

“Feminism is a sexual strategy. It puts women into the best position they can find, to select mates, to determine when they want to switch mates, to locate the best dna possible, and to garner the most resources they can individually achieve...Yes, game got a bad reputation from girls who demonize manipulation. This is because game is an effective strategy against their own sexual strategy. I believe women's opposition to game can be attributed to the unconscious factors in women's sexual strategy"

“Today's women are trained the following way: 1. Following your emotions will make you happy. 2.If something makes you unhappy, you must not have been following your emotions. 3. Therefore, if something makes them unhappy, it goes to show that they did not opt for that decision, because following their emotions will make them happy, and therefore they follow their emotions...nobody taught women that their decisions could possibly have a negative or less than perfect consequence...Standing strong as a man means pushing forward. We do not concern ourselves with our current emotional state. Instead, we put objectives in our head and work towards them. If something makes us unhappy, we make objectives to rectify the situation. Our current emotional state is something we work in spite of, not as slaves to. Women, however, have no such inclination..."

“Sometimes people call me an asshole. They say what I do is wrong or evil towards women. You know what I always say back? "Well if they stopped rewarding my behavior with sex, I probably wouldnt do it!"

“I feel zero regret or shame pumping and dumping."

“Due to statutory rape laws, perfectly viable women under 18 are out of bounds. Fine. Evolutionarily, that was never a problem, but today we have to deal with it. So 18 is the bottom end. And for women, 30 is wall. So women have a window of 12 years."

“I spin a soft harem."

“I live in an area unaffected by racism...nd my life is untouched by sexism...trust me- it's not popular to just say to a woman "Stop being a bitch." Not because she wasn't, but because she justifies her emotions by having emotions..."

“This particular brand of woman is entitled and thinks bringing a pair of boobs grants her equal footing with somebody bringing intelligence or a personality. The least she could do is approach dating with some humility. Not everybody is going to pay your meal ticket because of your tits."

“The only problem I've had with seddit is the growing culture of betatude that's cropping up in the comments on all posts there. Things like "no don't do that, it's creepy" which really steers the conversation in the wrong way."

“Well for instance, the increased awareness of rape- through feminism- has enlisted white knights to start doing the mental gymnastics for them. Guys start looking at other guys as rapists, anybody exhibiting what's considered "creepy" behavior is now on watch."

“We not paranoid, in fact we're just realists!...We're becoming strangely good at a sexual strategy, and we're using evolutionary theory to lead the way...It can easily be seen when I describe an incredibly erotic night with a women I just met and get accusations of being creepy or rapey from everybody except the woman who enjoyed the fuck out of herself that night."

“There is literally no legal protection I can think of that could eliminate the risk of a previous sexual partner of mine falsely accusing me of rape, no matter what the circumstances. I now have a video recorder in my room."

“Also if she feels insulted, your incidence of false rape accusations or pregnancy scares go waaaaaaaaay up. You might think I'm paranoid, but statistically, I'm overdue for a false rape allegation."

“I'm going to say it- Rape isn't an absolute bad, because the rapist I think probably likes it a lot. I think he'd say it's quite good, really."

“15 year old girls have boobs. Puberty doesnt strike at 18 overnight. Secondly, not creepy- 15 year old girls and guys are commonly sexually active. Its just illegal."

(in response to someone saying that the Rep's point was "one should not have sex with underage girls because one might go to jail, not because there is anything actually wrong with it."): "That is precisely my point. Biologically having kids that early was pretty normal. In fact, a lot of cultures on our planet still do this. It's only our culture and a handful of other recent cultures that started protecting the young adults- and get this, it used to be only women protected with age of consent laws...In my opinion, since these are no longer factors due to birth control, it should no longer be a consideration."

(in response to a video leak where Stuebenville High Schoolers are joking about raping a teenager 'deader than Trayvon Martin'): "So a bunch of guys made rape jokes... lacking class for sure, but.. not wtf nor news worthy."
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« Reply #808 on: May 05, 2017, 05:07:50 PM »
"Sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology."
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Re: Is there a politics thread? Guess I'm making one
« Reply #809 on: May 07, 2017, 07:17:37 PM »
Le Pen lost handily
Some good news

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« Reply #810 on: May 07, 2017, 10:50:11 PM »
Thank Jeebus.  Even then, the Russians tried to influence that election also by hacking Macron's emails.  They just waited too late to do it.

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« Reply #811 on: May 08, 2017, 02:48:00 AM »
I don't think that would have reversed a 35 point win, but again this speaks to how sensible the few week period is compared to the fucking eternity of American campaign season.

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« Reply #812 on: May 10, 2017, 12:12:40 AM »
Okay, so, we're mega-fucked.
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« Reply #813 on: May 10, 2017, 02:03:18 AM »
but... her emails...
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« Reply #814 on: May 10, 2017, 03:13:02 AM »
Okay, so, we're mega-fucked.
america had a shitty run

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« Reply #815 on: May 10, 2017, 03:40:23 PM »
So British Columbia had an election. It's pretty much tied and one of the districts hanging in the balance is a 9 vote gap between the two leading parties. This could decide the difference between the BC Liberals, who are the right-of-center party with a massive hate on for teachers (so not exactly beloved in our household), taking the election or if the other party wins the whole system will be deadlocked in a massive chess game for the next year and a half where the Green Party* has just enough seats to push either other party to a majority! This would be quite an excellent outcome and I am rooting for it pretty hard.

The interesting thing about the campaign is that both sides ran ads against each other trying to tie the other person with Trump. Trump is extremely extremely unpopular here thanks to his taxes on soft lumber, which is one of BC's main exports.

*Just as a note, the BC Green Party is not really the same as the American Greens. They are likely further to the right than the left wing party in the election, and it is unclear whose side they would take in the case of minority. The leader of the Greens is a climate scientist, not a crazy conspiracy theorist or a fake pill pusher.
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« Reply #816 on: May 11, 2017, 07:14:18 PM »
Man, the site went down, and I missed a lot of posting in here.  Didn't realize it was back up.  The most important thing I have to post, which came out just when the forums went down, is this:

[11:53] <+Meeple_Gorath> me reading, that's a good one

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[19:27] <+Terra_Condor> Han Kicks First?
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« Reply #817 on: May 11, 2017, 07:46:19 PM »
I love it

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« Reply #818 on: May 12, 2017, 01:34:05 AM »
Something that annoys me a bit is whenever pundits swoop in after a close race to declare that everything the loser did was wrong, and everything the winner did was right, and check out our interview with this one person who was TRYING to tell the losing side how to win, but was cruelly ignored.  (If only the Democrats had used the power of "framing"!  Yeah, I think they know that, thanks.  Or alternatively, Romney should have run harder to the center/right/whatever.) 

Anyway, one of the memes in the postmortem was that Hillary's campaign was "too negative" and needed to make an affirmative case for Hillary rather than simply be anti-Trump.  Who knows whether this was actually true as a matter of electioneering.  (I doubt it, negative ads have proven effective many times before.)  But, goddamnit, as a matter of good policy, it was so ridiculously right.  Trump's opponent hardly should have mattered; he was one of the most uniquely unfit individuals for command the nation has ever seen.  Trump shouldn't be trusted with any sort of position of governmental responsibility, let alone President, and he continues to prove it every day.  Like, if Trump had run as a *Democrat* and adopted a bunch of seemingly Democratic positions, I would have happily voted for Jeb Bush or something.  WTF.  (Basically Jim's "WTF Trump voters" rant.  What did you THINK would happen???  Are you okay with this?!)

Slightly prompted by these recent articles:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/will-an-anti-trump-message-be-enough-for-democrats-in-2018/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/04/13-remarkable-quotes-from-people-who-voted-for-both-barack-obama-and-donald-trump/

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« Reply #819 on: May 12, 2017, 03:09:23 AM »
You say that Snowfire, but back when you were trying to find your keys this morning and they weren't on your desk, but were on the coffee table?  You should t have even put pants on before looking for your keys.  Walking out to get your keys in your undies would assert dominance and stop you being such a cuck.  Putting on your shoes with the right foot first shows that you aren't a follower of the left handed path and that you aren't prepared to make the hard calls to fight god (who doesn't exist) and you probably believe flat earth.
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« Reply #821 on: May 22, 2017, 04:34:15 PM »
Holy shit


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« Reply #822 on: May 22, 2017, 06:53:44 PM »
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« Reply #824 on: May 22, 2017, 11:31:40 PM »
I preferred the "Giant metaphor opens in front of Mar-A-Lago"