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Heavy Team Tourney (F Group)
« on: February 23, 2016, 06:17:51 AM »
Results from Group D as of last week

Swordskillers - Loser
Valentine Family - Winner
Braverly Default - Out

Tiebreaker - Team Jowy (4) over Team Lassic (0)

Pretty close for the main pool. Valentines edged out by 1 overall win. Tiebreaker on the other hand was a sweep.


Here comes the sun (No Mega forms):
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Lambda (WA4), Antenora, Tony Eisler
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Rutee (ToD), Alfina (G3), Evans (BoF)
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Xorn, Freya (FF9)
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Rupert, Jeremy, Yulie, Emma (ACF)


My Right Hand is the God (piece) Hand:
Riou, Geddoe, Lazlo vs. Lambda (WA4), Antenora, Tony Eisler
Riou, Geddoe, Lazlo vs. Rutee (ToD), Alfina (G3), Evans (BoF)
Riou, Geddoe, Lazlo vs. Xorn, Freya (FF9)
Riou, Geddoe, Lazlo vs. Rupert, Jeremy, Yulie, Emma (ACF)

Princess Tea Party:
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Lambda (WA4), Antenora, Tony Eisler
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Rutee (ToD), Alfina (G3), Evans (BoF)
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Xorn, Freya (FF9)
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Rupert, Jeremy, Yulie, Emma (ACF)

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (F Group)
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2016, 04:12:02 PM »
Note: Sunny Day Exeggutor is 150% average speed.

Here comes the sun (No Mega forms):
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Lambda (WA4), Antenora, Tony Eisler - Probably.  Turn order is Lambda > Exeggutor > Ho-oh > Groudon > Lambda > Tony > Antenora. Lambda has no MT to speak off and can't drop anybody, at which point, Exeggutor, Ho-oh and Groudon go and take out Tony and Antenora before they do anything. Lambda won't OCV so RIP.
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Xorn, Freya (FF9) - I think. Sunny Day boost make it such that they can probably blast past Xorn's 75% and under phases and Reflect will keep the team relatively durable before hand. Groudon can Bulk Up before hand to make sure they reach the damage needed. 
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Rupert, Jeremy, Yulie, Emma (ACF) - Turn order is: Jeremy > Exeggutor > Rupert > Ho-oh > Groudon > Yulie > Emma I think?. Jeremy has to drop Exeggutor, otherwise it will use Reflect on the whole team. Rupert gets his next turn, does something (Maximum Risk?) probably on Ho-oh. Now, Ho-oh probably wants to hit Rupert with Sacred Fire and Groudon will drop EQ to kill Jeremy/Emma. But then Yulie gets a turn and will Quicken Rupert which is ow.pain.death. On the other hand, if he goes for Yulie, the combined power of Groudon/Ho-oh can probably drop everyone sans Rupert...but then his Maximum Risk now one shots everything and his Blade Pulsar might too. Leaning the Wild ARMS team at the moment, but good fight.


Princess Tea Party:
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Lambda (WA4), Antenora, Tony Eisler - Lambda damages Clarissa to stop her OHKO damage, at which point, she can Rob Turn someone (Lambda), because Toadstool will get a turn before Clarissa's next turn to recharge her Sacrifice. Clarissa and Nina can take out Tony and Antenora isn't really much...but Lambda's speed is a serious issue here. They probably still manage because Lambda only 3HKOs, but it's close.
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Xorn, Freya (FF9) - This on the other hand...The team has to kill Freya because Luna is extremely bad news (especially if it hits Toadstool). Fine; Xorn's not bad at full HP. Once she's out of the way...well Death Knell if you see it hitting more than one PC is also bad, but assume it doesn't. It'e telegraphed enough that you can escape it. However, he will certainly use it on Toadstool because no one else on the team can revive. So can the three of them do enough damage before Death Knell goes off and kills Toadstool? Gut says no. Because Xorn gets Dimension Gate at 50% and that 2HKOs. With his speed, it might as well be a OHKO. So they literally have to do 75% of his HP in one series of turns and I don't see that happening. Unless somebody wants to math it out.
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Rupert, Jeremy, Yulie, Emma (ACF) - Jeremy kills Toadstool and that's probably game. Assume Clarissa's pelts one shots Jeremy. Even in this scenario, they can't stop Yulie from getting a turn (she will certainly block ID) because Nina's best offense is Magic. At which point, you get a hasted Rupert and the other team with no Healer. I don't think one sacrifice takes out Rupert; especially since he will go before Clarissa and hit her with something.

Team Sun: 2-1
Team Princess: 1-2
« Last Edit: February 23, 2016, 04:18:28 PM by Tide »
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (F Group)
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2016, 04:14:06 AM »
Princess Tea Party:
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Lambda (WA4), Antenora, Tony Eisler
Uh, preeeeeeety sure that Antenora's got MT damage, and I presume Tony doesn't have totally fail HP, but Lambda deserves basically no interp calls on his favor, so sure Clarissa steals all his turns while someone else walks behind them and sets him up to look the wrong way.  MT status & break are still a concern but I guess healing-fueled Sacrifices will suffice.  Weirdly enough this match seems a lot most dangerous than the next (if you see Lambda as immune to Rob Turn or able to dodge it or just plain getting lucky, the princesses lose horribly) so I guess I'm the reverse of Tide.
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Xorn, Freya (FF9)
Death Knell hype can go jump in a lake (the defend command exists in G3 to make it suck, assume Peach gets a timed block on it or something) but Clarissa MUST hit Rob Turn on Freya and then either Nina must hit Death, or Clarissa makes 2 Rob Turns in a row and Nina connects Death #2.  (Unless you see Sacrifice as a OHKO, I guess?  Freya's above-average HP and it's ITD though, so seems sketchy.)  Failure to do so leads to Luna.  There's a 57% chance both RT & Death hit, and a 10% chance the 2nd Death hits...  that leads to 67% odds, maybe more like 70% including the 3-turn possibilities.  Sure I'll buy it.  Xorn can pressure through Toadstool's healing below 50% health, but I suspect a Nina/Clarissa hard blitz can solve that.
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Rupert, Jeremy, Yulie, Emma (ACF)
Tide concocting a Wild Arms match with Crisis RFX up hype, I see.  Not buying Rupert being able to effectively make use of Yulie's Haste, that'd involve standing still and hurting his allies, buuut Clarissa has to pick either Rupert or Jeremy to nuke, and the other can inflict some pretty nasty damage.  Nina will death Emma, but Yulie can productively spam revival here, and she & Rupert both get super-fast....  even not buying Jeremy getting a kill on Toadstool before Clarissa kills him, seems rough.  Princesses do better if you deny ID blocking to Yulie, as Nina can put a cap in the revival then, but even that is sketchy vs. Yulie MDef.  So yeah, Rupert goes on a killing spree backed by Yulie healing & revival.

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (F Group)
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2016, 05:58:10 AM »
Here comes the sun (No Mega forms):
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Lambda (WA4), Antenora, Tony Eisler: Status is out, but the pokemon come out swinging hard, and Lambda can't keep any of them from getting turns. Ho-oh + Groudon EQ probably kills Antenora. The real problem is Lambda whose damage can just add up over time... Exeggutor can use Reflect so that Ho-oh doesn't need to fear him, though, and they can kill Tony on turn 2 at worst. Think the mons have this.
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Rutee (ToD), Alfina (G3), Evans (BoF): The pokemon unleash MT pain and I doubt either PC gets a turn. That leaves Evans! Wishes Coldbreath were actually ice, but what can you do. So... yeah his only hope is to try his luck with 40% ST death, that' snot working.
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Xorn, Freya (FF9): Oh god, Xorn. Freya's annoying due to nulling fire and halving earth, but... hey, she can still be put to sleep (and failing that, does probably still die to halved Earthquake + Solar Beam). So... Xorn needs to solo this. Can he? Hm. He can 3HKO Ho-oh at base, so he starts out by doing that. Granted... Ho-oh can just use Recover to try to live longer, that will buy Exeggutor time to use Reflect. And... yeah Xorn can dispel that, but still. I just think the pokemon can mount a nasty offence which takes away too much of his health at once, and he's a bit too ST/physical to punish them for it.
Ho-oh, Groudon, Exeggutor (Pokemon) vs. Rupert, Jeremy, Yulie, Emma (ACF): Jeremy can wreck Exeggutor immediately, probably the move to make. (He can't get Groudon) The other two pokemon can use Earthqauke + Fire Blast to kill Yulie, and they'd damn well better. (This has the side benefit of also OHKOing Emma and Jeremy!) So... it's just Rupert, and now he's damaged, so Maximum Risk is going to wreck. Also Crisix Reflex Up. Yikes, he's 210% speed now, which probably means he starts doubleturning. Yeah, even with some misses he should take this. And there's no good way to avoid damaging Rupert like this, and the pokemon can't really focus on him either.

My Right Hand is the God (piece) Hand:
Riou, Geddoe, Lazlo vs. Lambda (WA4), Antenora, Tony Eisler: Lambda gets two turns but can't kill anyone, and any damage he does will be healed. Thunder Storm + Everlasting Mercy + Forgiver Sign means dead... Tony, we'll say, and severely damaged everyone else, and full HP team to try again. Antenora can try to status someone but Geddoe's immune to some stuff and I just don't think this is working.
Riou, Geddoe, Lazlo vs. Rutee (ToD), Alfina (G3), Evans (BoF): Again, too much magic damage too fast.
Riou, Geddoe, Lazlo vs. Xorn, Freya (FF9): Freya can null thunder and Luna is terrifying, but she can't block holy so Riou has to nuke her. This is bad because it's a shot they don't have for later. I suppose they could try to drop her with physicals, but that would probably need all three of them... or Lazlo could use Everlasting Mercy. So Xorn beats up Lazlo to make the team choose between Lazlo dying fast or saving Forgiver Sign. Without FS the team feels in really bad shape later, Geddoe damage is good but Xorn is a magic tank so we'll see a bunch of nasty Death Knells and Dimension Gates. So sure, let Lazlo die. I... still think the team gets overwhelmed, but could be argued.
Riou, Geddoe, Lazlo vs. Rupert, Jeremy, Yulie, Emma (ACF): Well Riou isn't getting a turn, Geddoe + Lazlo can kill Yulie/Emma/Jeremy but again this involves hurting Rupert and giving him tons of time, and Lazlo has no good damage left to finish Rupert after he explodes Geddoe, evade or not.

Princess Tea Party:
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Lambda (WA4), Antenora, Tony Eisler: Am I missing something here? Lambda is 265% speed, Clarissa is 126%, he goes twice first and 2HKOs her unexceptional evade. Toadstool can revive her, but that doesn't stop the same thing from happening again, and meanwhile Tony and Antenora get turns this time too. The only tiny chance the team has is if Nina can one-shot Lambda but that's not likely.
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Rutee (ToD), Alfina (G3), Evans (BoF): Sacrifice offs Alfina, Nina can death Rutee. Rutee gets a turn first, sure, and revives Alfina since nothing else is useful, but Toadstool + Clarissa can kill her again. As usual, all Evans can do is try for ID... on Toadstool of course because anyone else is revived, but in the meantime he gets torn apart by repeated Sacrifice + heal combos.
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Xorn, Freya (FF9): lolno. Xorn weakens Sacrifice so that isn't a OHKO. Toadstool can put Freya to sleep (or Luna) but this means she isn't healing or reviving, I guess Nina uses Death, but then Xorn uses all these extra turns to make sure Toadstool dies and the other two aren't taking him down.
Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Rupert, Jeremy, Yulie, Emma (ACF): Jeremy kills Clarissa, then the team can't stop Yulie from getting a turn I don't think. Maaybe with two status moves, but they can't not kill Jeremy. So, uh, kill Jeremy/Emma with BoltX and revive Clarissa maybe... but then Yulie hastes Rupert and NOBODY LEAVES, AND NOBODY LIVES. Or just revives Jeremy.

Sunmons 3-1
God Hands 2-2
Princesses 1-3
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (F Group)
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 02:33:40 PM »
Delaying this for a couple of days due to some IRL stuff; I need more votes!
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (F Group)
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2016, 02:07:25 AM »


Riou, Geddoe, Lazlo vs. Lambda (WA4), Antenora, Tony Eisler   Boom.
Riou, Geddoe, Lazlo vs. Rutee (ToD), Alfina (G3), Evans (BoF)   Boom, take two

Princess Toadstool, Nina2, Clarissa vs. Rupert, Jeremy, Yulie, Emma (ACF)  Speed hax