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Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« on: September 27, 2016, 01:30:33 AM »
The first round's still open, I just want to get this posted while I have time. I am including a bonus unranked fighter in each division. It's a low to chew on, so take your time/etc!


Albedo (XS1)- Lots of speed, some offense, not great durability.
Worker 8 (FFT)- Classic spoiler. Is in this range, has fun matches.
Songi (LoL1)- Back.Flips.
Purim (SoM)- Another borderliner.
Valsu (7th Saga)- Personal favorite, has a lot of cool fights.
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Albedo (XS1) vs Isolde (MK1)
Albedo vs Orlandu (FFT)
Albedo vs Mewtwo (PKMN)
Albedo vs Citan (XG)
Albedo vs Patriarch (XS2)
Albedo vs Claude (SO2)
Albedo vs Jowy (S2)
Albedo vs Hrist (VP2)
Albedo vs Lilka (WA2)
Albedo vs Eileen (S1)
Albedo vs Gau (FF6)
Albedo vs Zidane (FF9)

Worker 8 (FFT) vs Isolde (MK1)
Worker 8 vs Orlandu (FFT)
Worker 8 vs Mewtwo (PKMN)
Worker 8 vs Citan (XG)
Worker 8 vs Patriarch (XS2)
Worker 8 vs Claude (SO2)
Worker 8 vs Jowy (S2)
Worker 8 vs Hrist (VP2)
Worker 8 vs Lilka (WA2)
Worker 8 vs Eileen (S1)
Worker 8 vs Gau (FF6)
Worker 8 vs Zidane (FF9)

Songi vs Isolde (MK1)
Songi vs Orlandu (FFT)
Songi vs Mewtwo (PKMN)
Songi vs Citan (XG)
Songi vs Patriarch (XS2)
Songi vs Claude (SO2)
Songi vs Jowy (S2)
Songi vs Hrist (VP2)
Songi vs Lilka (WA2)
Songi vs Eileen (S1)
Songi vs Gau (FF6)
Songi vs Zidane (FF9)

Purim (SoM) vs Isolde (MK1)
Purim vs Orlandu (FFT)
Purim vs Mewtwo (PKMN)
Purim vs Citan (XG)
Purim vs Patriarch (XS2)
Purim vs Claude (SO2)
Purim vs Jowy (S2)
Purim vs Hrist (VP2)
Purim vs Lilka (WA2)
Purim vs Eileen (S1)
Purim vs Gau (FF6)
Purim vs Zidane (FF9)

Valsu (7th Saga) vs Isolde (MK1)
Valsu vs Orlandu (FFT)
Valsu vs Mewtwo (PKMN)
Valsu vs Citan (XG)
Valsu vs Patriarch (XS2)
Valsu vs Claude (SO2)
Valsu vs Jowy (S2)
Valsu vs Hrist (VP2)
Valsu vs Lilka (WA2)
Valsu vs Eileen (S1)
Valsu vs Gau (FF6)
Valsu vs Zidane (FF9)
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 03:42:59 AM »
Albedo (XS1) vs Isolde (MK1)- Albedo is nearly dead from the opening attack, he's not powering through that.
Albedo vs Orlandu (FFT)- Noooooooooooope.
Albedo vs Mewtwo (PKMN)- Buff to OHKO.
Albedo vs Citan (XG)- Blitzes down.
Albedo vs Patriarch (XS2) Albedo doesn't immune/resist Holy.
Albedo vs Claude (SO2)- Chip-KO. Albedo can do nothing to stop this. (Claude can null draining attacks)
Albedo vs Jowy (S2)Chip-KO. I don't think Albedo can do anything to stop it; he can't even get two turns to drain KO Jowy.
Albedo vs Hrist (VP2)- Did Albedo's drain attack kill in two or three attacks?
Albedo vs Lilka (WA2)- Too much pressure.
Albedo vs Eileen (S1)- Chip chip, smash past danger range.
Albedo vs Gau (FF6)- Draining's enough.
Albedo vs Zidane (FF9)

Worker 8 (FFT) vs Isolde (MK1)- Almost all of Isolde's offense is out here, including her multi act. She's screwed.
Worker 8 vs Orlandu (FFT)
Worker 8[/b] vs Mewtwo (PKMN)- Swift+Heal? Should be enough.
Worker 8 vs Citan (XG)- Counters are slightly annoying but not a big deal.
Worker 8 vs Patriarch (XS2)
Worker 8 vs Claude (SO2)- Claude should be able to take a crush+counter at worst.
Worker 8 vs Jowy (S2)
Worker 8 vs Hrist (VP2)- Counter+Crush should KO here.
Worker 8 vs Lilka (WA2)
Worker 8 vs Eileen (S1)
Worker 8 vs Gau (FF6)- I don't think Gau can tank through here, Worker immunes too much of his skillset. (And counters are a factor)
Worker 8 vs Zidane (FF9)- Even if Confuse soul blade works, Zidane is still getting smacked too often with Worker physicals.


Valsu (7th Saga) vs Isolde (MK1)- Seal tips the fight.
Valsu vs Orlandu (FFT)- OHKO.
Valsu vs Mewtwo (PKMN)- Builds to a OHKO.
Valsu vs Citan (XG)-Way too much pressure.
Valsu vs Patriarch (XS2)- E: Vote will flip if Elixir cured status, but as is Curse is too much.
Valsu vs Claude (SO2)- Defense 1 and outlast.
Valsu vs Jowy (S2)- Heal lock. Having ID on a heal lock is effective enough here.
Valsu vs Hrist (VP2)-Agility. Possible stone's hits in time but eh. 
Valsu vs Lilka (WA2)- Defend/Power crit should OHKO and there's not much Lilka can do to stop it.
Valsu vs Eileen (S1)- Outlast.
Valsu vs Gau (FF6)- Status.
Valsu vs Zidane (FF9)- Zidane can status Valsu!...and promptly get his face beaten in by a physical assault. Har.


Songi vs Isolde (MK1)- Speed.
Songi vs Orlandu (FFT)- Night Sword does it's thing. Crystal Shield slows down his physical game notably and he can afford to equip more for HP here.
Songi vs Mewtwo (PKMN)- Mewtwo is weak to darkness. God damn it. It's possible he can buff his way out of trouble but I doubt it.
Songi vs Citan (XG)- Not OHKOed.
Songi vs Patriarch (XS2)- Probably?
Songi vs Claude (SO2)- Dark immune. Enjoy getting shithoused, Songi.
Songi vs Jowy (S2)- Halves dark (His one fight temp form has Silver Armor).
Songi vs Hrist (VP2)
Songi vs Lilka (WA2)- Nope.
Songi vs Eileen (S1)- Copper Flesh does it's thing.
Songi vs Gau (FF6)- Strong urge to dropkick Charm still applies and FF6 doesn't have darkness.
Songi vs Zidane (FF9)- Absorbs darkness.


Purim (SoM) vs Isolde (MK1)- Timed cards beat the defensive game.
Purim vs Orlandu (FFT)- OHKO
Purim vs Mewtwo (PKMN)- Kneejerk.
Purim vs Citan (XG)- Status.
Purim vs Patriarch (XS2)- I think? I might be missing something in her bag of tricks that does it though.
Purim vs Claude (SO2)- Purim should avoid a OHKO here. 
Purim vs Jowy (S2)- And here?
Purim vs Hrist (VP2)- STatus.
Purim vs Lilka (WA2)
Purim vs Eileen (S1)
Purim vs Gau (FF6)
Purim vs Zidane (FF9)- Faster status.
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2016, 12:22:30 AM »
Albedo Piazzola (XS1) vs Isolde Schelling (MK1) - Albedo is dead as soon as Isolde gets her second turn even if she's at full HP. Grand Gaze gets seriously broken as she stacks it up - and her limit phases only get stupider from there.
Albedo Piazzola vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - lol ohko from someone faster applies.
Albedo Piazzola vs Mewtwo (PKMN) - Mewtwo has a case to OHKO even before Amnesia and goes first. Since Albedo can't really work him down in a single turn...
Albedo Piazzola vs Citan Uzuki (XG) - Similar deal to Mewtwo, only Citan does it by virtue of fantastic unlimited turns.
Albedo Piazzola vs Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) - The difference in durability just feels way too vast.
Albedo Piazzola vs Claude C. Kenni (SO2) - Yeah, I suspect this is a OHKO as well. Albedo wishes he could access Demonic Gaze - Soul S at full HP here.
Albedo Piazzola vs Jowy Atreides (S2) - And here as well.
Albedo Piazzola vs Hrist Valkyrie (VP2) - I'm giving Albedo the benefit of doubt and assuming he gets to survive a hit from Hrist. That's all he needs here.
Albedo Piazzola vs Lilka Eleniak (WA2) - ... actually. Lilka should lap Albedo after a Quick and she can 2HKO him on a double once she reaches 100 FP. He can't use Haste until his limit either. She even has non-elemental damage to bypass his elemental resistances. Yeah, go figure.
Albedo Piazzola vs Eileen (S1) - I have no idea if Earth is an element XS1 has, and this is relevant: without resistances, Earthquake+physical scrape a 2HKO on Albedo and Eileen can live that long with Copper Flesh shenanigans. Will abstain until I figure this out.
Albedo Piazzola vs Gau (FF6) - Albedo loves PCs who let him get a second turn.
Albedo Piazzola vs Zidane Tribal (FF9) - See above, as below.

Worker 8 (FFT) vs Isolde Schelling (MK1) - I -think-. Isolde even has a physical, but it's kinda ungood and likely triggers counters... and Worker's offense is also ITD. Isolde's HP is decent enough, but most of her durability comes from her defenses.
Worker 8 vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - Cid has to equip an inferior sword to deal damage to Worker, but I think it works anyway? The speed split and the draining are still concerns for the animated junk heap.
Worker 8 vs Mewtwo (PKMN) - SWIFT HYPE!? Yeah, don't really think so.
Worker 8 vs Citan Uzuki(XG) - Citan gets to HIT A WEAKNESS to boot, as if the turnsplit from hell wasn't enough. Good god.
Worker 8 vs Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) - Sergius is all holy. This is like a more ruthless spin on Patriarch vs. Mist Dragon.
Worker 8 vs Claude C. Kenni (SO2) - Claude's not the kind of fight Worker 8 likes.
Worker 8 vs Jowy (S2) - However, Worker's hardly afraid of dinky basic Suikoden 2 physicals.
Worker 8 vs Hrist Valkyrie (VP2) - I think so. Hrist's 2HKO is very solid.
Worker 8 vs Lilka Eleniak (WA2) - EDIT: Right! Mystic Full Libra covers ID too, so yeah.
Worker 8 vs Eileen (S1) - Once again, dat ID.
Worker 8 vs Gau (FF6) - I SUPPOSE I can buy Charm working on average. But very arguable.
Worker 8 vs Zidane Tribal (FF9) - No, not really.

Songi vs Isolde Schelling (MK1) - Songi's a solid enough slugger, but Isolde's in a whole 'nother tier.
Songi vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - Should be right. Once again, this is a different tier of Godlike.
Songi vs Mewtwo (PKMN) - I think Gen 3 and onwards see Mewtwo losing here due to that Dark weakness. However, gen 1 Mewtwo chews through Songi just fine.
Songi vs Citan Uzuki (XG) - Songi's damage's way too constant to truly threaten Citan's horrifying speed game. He can't OHKO even with a full chain and Citan evade is decent.
Songi vs Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) - The durability split is pretty big because XS2 boss HP and Patriarch's faster... but Songi's physical chain is quite strong and Sergius takes a while to get going. So yeah.
Songi vs Claude C. Kenni (SO2) - EDIT: right, SO2 equipment nonsense.
Songi vs Jowy Atreides (S2) - Well, Jowy should scrape the 2HKO here. Evade and decent defense on average let him avoid the physical OHKO.
Songi vs Hrist Valkyrie (VP2) - Yeah. Hrist is a good slugfesting Heavy, but just a slugfesting Heavy.
Songi vs Lilka Eleniak (WA2) - While Songi needs his physical chain to OHKO Lilka... well, I don't think I give the PCs HP UP, so he can actually kill her with three out of four hits, and her evade buffing takes a little bit to get going. I suppose this works.
Songi vs Eileen (S1) - Eileen is faster and Copper Flesh lasts a lot longer than Songi's HP does. This is the kind of fight she thrives against.
Songi vs Gau (FF6) - 2HKOs with Genocidal Cannon and that's it.
Songi vs Zidane Tribal (FF9) - EDIT: FF9 equipment nonsense: letting run-off-the-mill Light slugfesting win fights against Godlikes.

Purim (SoM) vs Isolde Schelling (MK1) - I recall SoM reflect being awfully inclusive, but Purim only gets one turn to apply it before Isolde purees her with that timed card nonsense. And SoM reflect is inclusive enough to pretty much wall all her swiss army knife buffing and healing options, which means Isolde just closes off the deal with her physical after Reflect. This is pretty problematic. If you see any of her options as unreflectable, this gets even worse.
Purim vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - OHKO.
Purim vs Mewtwo (PKMN) - Purim thanks her stars for Blaze Wall, otherwise she'd meet the same fate as she did against Isolde. Gen 1 doesn't even have the berry options to let Mewtwo survive.
Purim vs Citan Uzuki (XG) - I think I see Citan being able to block Blaze Wall's paralysis with a Body Guard (analogous enough to Stop, I suppose). He can afford to sacrifice defense for the full speed game to apply, to boot, so Purim gets stuck in a Lucid Barrier lock until she runs out of MP. And that's happening before Citan runs out of Senkei casts.
Purim vs Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) - Curse, if nothing else. For all that this is a dangerous fight for him (Purim can buff her physical offense to fairly brutal levels with crit-boosting and elemental sabers), I think he just has too much HP along with the speed edge.
Purim vs Claude C. Kenni (SO2) - Purim survives a Claude turn, but he easily 2HKOs Lucid Barrier with plenty of spillover damage to spare. Odds are she runs out of MP trying to keep up and Blaze Wall isn't exactly an option if I'm allowing paralysis analogs to stop it.
Purim vs Jowy Atreides (S2) - OHKOs.
Purim vs Hrist Valkyrie (VP2) - I think the same issue Purim has with Claude applies here, only actually -worse- because of petrify concerns.
Purim vs Lilka Eleniak (WA2) - Mystic Full Libra, then usual Lilka shenanigans apply. Purim's buffing game -can- get dangerous, but I think Lilka can wall it well enough once she puts up a couple Quickens.
Purim vs Eileen (S1) - Finally a status-vulnerable opponent.
Purim vs Gau (FF6) - Aw crap, Gau is faster.
Purim vs Zidane Tribal (FF9) - Zidane's Silence weapon make his damage -absolutely abysmal-, as in he easily loses slugfests against Taloon with it. Purim can do better than that. To make matters worse, Zidane can only half Fire, so Blaze Wall manhandles him. Maybe Death Sentence might work, but then she might just be able to blitz him or use Remedy anyway? Dunno.

Valsu Saizer (7th Saga) vs Isolde Schelling (MK1) - Valsu is -so- dead as soon as Pile Bunker bullshit kicks in and he has no way to avoid that range. Ancient Secret phase is also very ugly.
Valsu Saizer vs Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) - OHKO.
Valsu Saizer vs Mewtwo (PKMN) - Valsu's status are so heavily affected by MAG -and- enemy MAG that I can't possibly bring myself to respect it against Mewtwo, and it's his only chance.
Valsu Saizer vs Citan Uzuki (XG) - Valsu actually gives Citan a run for his money here, since he actually avoids a 3HKO post-Defense 1 and the evade is kinda annoying for Citan to deal with even with his game-best accuracy. But... the turnsplit post-Senkei is just too stupid and Valsu's status isn't quite turn one. Tough luck.
Valsu Saizer vs Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) - Curse once again, likely. Valsu does at least dent Patriarch a fair bit before biting it.
Valsu Saizer vs Claude C. Kenni (SO2) - The evade is a pain in the ass and I'm inclined to see Valsu as ever slightly faster, which puts him in a good position to stall against Claude once Defence 1 and Agility are up. ID and Stone aren't options, but they don't have to be.
Valsu Saizer vs Jowy Atreides (S2) - Jowy doesn't OHKO Valsu and the ever-inclusive evade, once again, is annoying as hell, making heal-locks difficult for Jowy to pull off. Once Valsu gets Agility up at full HP, things go seriously south (and I don't respect the ID odds against -that- status defense either).
Valsu Saizer vs Hrist Valkyrie (VP2) - Agility => blitz should be good enough to kill Hrist before Petrify kicks in. Fairly close, though.
Valsu Saizer vs Lilka Eleniak (WA2) - This is -literally- an endless fight. Lilka's hard-pressed to deal damage to Valsu, as is he... but I think, somewhere along the infinite border, she manages to outdamage him, which works as a tiebreak before both die of old age. Defend Power crit sounds like a decent idea, but Valsu's likely at 0% hit rate on his physical by the time it'd realistically happen.
Valsu Saizer vs Eileen (S1) - Magically durable healers with endless resources are Eileen's bane.
Valsu Saizer vs Gau (FF6) - Valsu can't really blitz Gau and his status, once again, falls a bit short of turn one.
Valsu Saizer vs Zidane Tribal (FF9) - Once again: Silence Zidane wins pretty much no slugfests ever. Meanwhile, Valsu's status may be faster -and- is turn one against Zidane MAG/MDEF.
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2016, 02:47:26 PM »
Albedo (XS1) vs Isolde (MK1) - Way too much damage for the frail Albedo to survive
Albedo vs Orlandu (FFT) - OHKOs and goes first. GG.
Albedo vs Mewtwo (PKMN) - Probably OHKOs? See Snow. Same thing as Orlandu essentially
Albedo vs Citan (XG) - Hastes up, stocks up a combo at worse, then bum rushes with infinite turn works
Albedo vs Patriarch (XS2) - Way too much durability. Albedo can't even hit any of Patriarch's weaknesses.
Albedo vs Hrist (VP2) - So apparently, the draining is 50% MHP BUT rounds down. The chances of you having an odd number HP value, thus being a 3HKO is enough of a tie break here since Hrist arguably one shots already to me.
Albedo vs Lilka (WA2) - I'll buy Snow's argument. Fail less, Albedo
Albedo vs Gau (FF6) - Gau probably has something decisive, but like the Jeremy match up a while back, how much do you respect Gau randomly picking the right command off the bat? He's screwed if he picks the wrong one, so odds are against him.
Albedo vs Zidane (FF9) - Well, this is just a slaughter. FF9's high damage curve doesn't at all.

Worker 8 (FFT) vs Isolde (MK1) - Isolde was mostly magic? Oh dear.
Worker 8 vs Orlandu (FFT) - Faster. Night Sword to drain off the damage and can equip the Judo Outfit in case of chancey ID procs.
Worker 8 vs Mewtwo (PKMN) - I'm not sure. ID procing is a danger, but Mewtwo is much faster, can Barrier up and Swift gives him an avenue of offense. I'm sure other gens actually are better suited here, but Gen 1 *should* manage. Can someone math this out?
Worker 8 vs Citan (XG) - Worker 8 can counter, but Citan is much faster and can Haste Heal away.
Worker 8 vs Patriarch (XS2) - Kneejerk
Worker 8 vs Hrist (VP2) - EDIT: Mmm...close, but Hrist should still win. I have quite a bit of respect for her damage so she should still manage.
Worker 8 vs Lilka (WA2) - EDIT 2: Mystic Holy Grail blocks ID. Lilka does her thing and slowly grinds out a victory
Worker 8 vs Gau (FF6) - I dunno, Gau's also pretty tanky. Will wait for others; kneejerk is that Gau has some physical rage that can match up to Worker.
Worker 8 vs Zidane (FF9) - Zidane really doesn't like the counters.
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2016, 05:24:23 PM »
Snow: Songi is 100% Shadow elemental in his first form. Guess what element Zidane and Claude block?
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2016, 05:38:37 PM »
Even his basic physical? IIRC, Legaia basic physicals follow different rules from typical resistance/absorption.
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2016, 05:39:37 PM »
Worker 8 vs Hrist (VP2) - I think? Worker's immune to magic, but not status in general. One of Hrist's spears has like a 74% chance to proc Stone, which is lethal and

The only status Worker 8 is vulnerable to is Confuse.
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2016, 05:40:47 PM »
Stat topic says his physical is dark elemental fwiw.
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2016, 06:13:59 PM »
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2016, 11:32:07 PM »
Worker 8 (FFT) vs Isolde (MK1) - Isolde had physical damage to speak of?
Worker 8 vs Orlandu (FFT) - Night Sword.
Worker 8 vs Mewtwo (PKMN) - Not really gonna bite on Swift hype here.
Worker 8 vs Citan (XG)
Worker 8 vs Claude (SO2)
Worker 8 vs Jowy (S2)
Worker 8 vs Lilka (WA2) - Mystic Holy Grail for ID blocking, slowly durdle to inevitable victory.
Worker 8 vs Eileen (S1) - No such recourse here.
Worker 8 vs Gau (FF6) - Doubt it.
Worker 8 vs Zidane (FF9) - Confuse likely isn't enough.

Songi vs Isolde (MK1)
Songi vs Orlandu (FFT)
Songi vs Mewtwo (PKMN)
Songi vs Citan (XG)
Songi vs Claude (SO2)
Songi vs Jowy (S2)
Songi vs Lilka (WA2) - Pass.
Songi vs Eileen (S1)
Songi vs Gau (FF6)
Songi vs Zidane (FF9)

Purim (SoM) vs Isolde (MK1)
Purim vs Orlandu (FFT)
Purim vs Mewtwo (PKMN) - gut
Purim vs Citan (XG)
Purim vs Claude (SO2)
Purim vs Jowy (S2)
Purim vs Lilka (WA2)
Purim vs Eileen (S1)
Purim vs Gau (FF6) - pass
Purim vs Zidane (FF9)

Valsu (7th Saga) vs Isolde (MK1)
Valsu vs Orlandu (FFT)
Valsu vs Mewtwo (PKMN)
Valsu vs Citan (XG)
Valsu vs Claude (SO2)
Valsu vs Jowy (S2)
Valsu vs Lilka (WA2)
Valsu vs Eileen (S1)
Valsu vs Gau (FF6) - PASS
Valsu vs Zidane (FF9)
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2016, 06:11:14 AM »
I don't closely remember XS1 Albedo...  mostly going off Dhyer's notes in the stat topic. 

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Albedo Piazzola vs Claude C. Kenni (SO2) - Yeah, I suspect this is a OHKO as well. Albedo wishes he could access Demonic Gaze - Soul S at full HP here.

Do you mean Mist S, or is Soul S HP-locked too?  That'd make him a much worse dueler if so...

Albedo vs Orlandu (FFT)
2HKOs faster, blocks Confuse.
Albedo vs Mewtwo (PKMN)
Probably requires letting Mewtwo use a custom moveset, but for bosses I'm a bit more lenient.  No buffing hype for later-gen Mewtwo, but he can use a weaker attack than a stronger attack to 2HKO while avoiding the confusion, arguably Lem Berry might render this moot anyway.
Albedo vs Citan (XG)
This is actually pretty close, as Citan absolutely has to 2HKO with 2x Festive Earths or else get heal-locked by the 50% max HP drain move.  (XG Mental Blocker probably gets confuse, right?).  But sure, I guess I don't see earth as getting blocked here.
Albedo vs Patriarch (XS2)
RIP
Albedo vs Claude (SO2)
Uh...  assuming Albedo isn't OHKO'd, Claude has more problems, as if Albedo's speed buff is as good as Dhyer hypes, he can kill any average-speed PC who doesn't OHKO him with Haste -> 2x Gravity moves on the spot.  I'm not really sure I'm inclined to give the haste move that much credit, and Claude isn't actually too terribly far from OHKOing.  I guess I'll give it to Albedo, but feels like a cheap win....  oh but wait, I see Tide's comment about it rounding down.  Claude has an odd max HP in the topic, so that doesn't work!
Albedo vs Jowy (S2)
Jowy's fast and can probably limit-chip with physical -> boom.  The draining is too weak vs. non-AWGS.
Albedo vs Hrist (VP2)
Albedo vs Lilka (WA2)
Usual no thanks at uber-TB speed being better than uber ATB speed.  Lilka might possibly stall to 100 FP, but it doesn't matter because Albedo will be at max HP from basically heal-locking Lilka with drains, and a full 100 FP combo can't kill.
Albedo vs Eileen (S1)
Albedo vs Gau (FF6)
Blargh Gau.  I usually kneejerk vote against him, but FF6 monsters that immune death also immune gravity IIRC, so Gau might actually get to spoil here if he has something decisive that stops gravity, confuse, & fire.  And doesn't die to 0 MP.
Albedo vs Zidane (FF9)

2-1-8.  Yeah Albedo always wants his XS2 form.


The Girl has a new official localization, Primm!  Well new as of 2 years ago or so.

Purim vs Orlandu (FFT)
Primm has .92 PCHP or so, so OHKO'd.
Purim vs Mewtwo (PKMN)
Another match where I should figure out what Mewtwo's default moveset is, since he really wants a moveset with both a physical damage & special damage move here so that Purim can't wall him entirely on turn 1.  Anyway, if Mewtwo carries a Lum Berry and can 2HKO either defense without the Mind Plate or whatever, not a lot Purim can do, since it definitely undoes Burn.
Purim vs Citan (XG)
Flame Bouquet ruins doc.  oh no 1 damage deathblows.
Purim vs Patriarch (XS2)
Patriarch doesn't build Boost fast enough to scare the Girl.  Moon Saber, Moon Energy, go nuts, heal off any status with Remedy.  Hypothetically Patriarch can Remedy-lock Purim by constantly spamming Curse of Gatres, but not sure I'm down for hyping that kind of boss AI, and it might not work anyway depending on if the Moon Saber healing happens simultaneously or not.  At worst, skip the Moon Energy so that Purim isn't critting and OHKO'ing herself before she can get the drain.
Purim vs Claude (SO2)
Lucent Barrier or possibly Flame Bouquet.  Or just Blaze Wall if you're strict about SO2 blockers.
Purim vs Jowy (S2)
Probably OHKO's.
Purim vs Hrist (VP2)
Weirdly enough, Primm manhandles boss Hrist, but fears status nonsense from PC Hrist, perhaps.  Not a huge fan of hyping that too much, and maybe Primm goes first and Lucid Barriers if the Barrier absorption is seen as turning off status attempts, then Flame Bouquets to make Hrist's damage fail forever.
Purim vs Lilka (WA2)
Lilka must open Reflect or die horribly to Blaze Wall.  But...  she has no answer to a status-saber game.  Cast Fire Saber, punch her in the face, gg.
Purim vs Eileen (S1)
Blaze Wall.
Purim vs Gau (FF6)
I let paralysis-blocking stop SoM Engulf because I'm nice, but I'm a bit stricter with SoM Freeze.  FF6 doesn't really have an analog to stop all damage & actions (Petrify vs. physicals, I guess?), so Freeze Saber, hit once, buff to hell & back, then resume the fight.
Purim vs Zidane (FF9)
Silence Soul Blade is that bad?  Okay then.

8-3


Valsu vs Orlandu (FFT)
Valsu vs Mewtwo (PKMN)
Non-Gen1 Mewtwo will eventually struggle himself to death.  He'll miss before he gets a double, and that miss is catastrophic since it allows Valsu to start buffing rather than being Elixir-locked.
Valsu vs Citan (XG)
Valsu vs Patriarch (XS2)
Yeah still not down for allowing Curse of Gartres infinite spam...  although even every other turn might buy enough time to do some horrible boost combo of doom to bust through.  And...  Patriarch halves Ice, and Down status turns off evade.  Okay then.
Valsu vs Claude (SO2)
Wait for lucky evasion...  which may take a loooong time considering Claude is multi-hit...  then cast the evade-buffing spell and hope for the best.  But sure.
Valsu vs Jowy (S2)
More infuriating evade hype.
Valsu vs Hrist (VP2)
More evasion!
Valsu vs Lilka (WA2)
After the first matchup never ends, Lilka's power is sealed into 7 runes and scattered across the land.
Valsu vs Eileen (S1)
Valsu vs Gau (FF6)
There's probably some ice-immune, status-immune rage out there, but whatever.
Valsu vs Zidane (FF9)

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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2016, 01:55:30 PM »
I don't closely remember XS1 Albedo...  mostly going off Dhyer's notes in the stat topic. 

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Albedo Piazzola vs Claude C. Kenni (SO2) - Yeah, I suspect this is a OHKO as well. Albedo wishes he could access Demonic Gaze - Soul S at full HP here.

Do you mean Mist S, or is Soul S HP-locked too?  That'd make him a much worse dueler if so...

It's locked behind the 50% HP threshold, too, according to Monkeyfinger's tests. The only things he has access to at full HP are his draining and some damage moves.
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> HEY
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> LAGGY
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> UVIET?!??!?!
[01:08] <Laggy> YA!!!!!!!!!1111111111
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> OMG!!!!
[01:08] <Chulianne> No wonder you're small.
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2016, 02:01:23 PM »
Soul S is the draining move, so yeah it's available at full HP.

It rounding down is bad, though.

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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2016, 02:08:52 PM »
Oh, okay. I mixed up the names. But the status being gated by the HP threshold still sucks ass for him, costs him a considerable amount of matches in this field alone.
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> HEY
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> LAGGY
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> UVIET?!??!?!
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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2016, 03:37:47 AM »
Long past the point of anyone else caring but this was interesting enough to comment on:

Worker 8 vs Gau (FF6): Gau running Magic Pot or Nohrabbit (for auto-Haste) has an argument for outlasting Worker 8's Crush threat.  Regular physicals aren't dangerous enough thanks to Snow Muffler.  Green Beret's HP boost may matter...?  If Worker 8 goes for Crush, there's no guarantee that the damage will stick by his next turn as Gau is faster than him.  If Gau flubs Cure 2/3 between Crush attempts, Worker 8 takes it.   Seems to favor Worker 8 though as his victory will be quick while Gau's will take ages.  I throw out ID from Worker 8 since it doesn't appear to work in-game.

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Re: Proving Grounds 2- H/G- This is not going to be poetry in motion.
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2016, 04:58:55 AM »
Assuming you see Crush 2HKOing, Gau only needs to fail to proc healing once in order to lose. Nohrabbit's auto-haste is interesting (since then Gau usually doubles), but even if you throw out the instant death against that, there would be the issue that Cure 2 is nowhere near full (probably around 50-60%). Worker 8's counters do add up as well; sure they aren't great, but should still manage ~20% against Gau. Since Gau needs to provoke somewhere around 10 of them before he wins, that's very problematic.

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