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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2017, 04:47:23 AM »
Ended up with 2300 feathers from arena.  Was at 2800 earlier in the day but my rank took a sudden nosedive.

Doing some leveling in the training grounds, but the difficulty is just so random.  Like why do mage cavaliers have colossal stats compared to everything else?

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2017, 05:47:07 AM »
A japanese whale has confirmed my suspicions of Alfonse being trash

Lv40 5* Alfonse has only 25~ Speed

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #52 on: February 08, 2017, 02:11:31 AM »
Tried to roll after last night's...interesting roll while waiting for my food. Didn't get any 5* but I finally got Corrin, Maria and Florina (among other things). Thinking of replacing Clarine with Maria but going to level the others so I can have a better variety.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2017, 04:40:58 AM »
Just beat 9-5.  9-4 was basically trying to lure them out so they don't hit you multiple at a time, and you can kill them with taking as little damage as possible.

9-5...yeah, stat check.  Can you get the boss lured out and kill her before her debuffs kick in, then just overpower the enemy.

Now I have like 49 Orbs...might as well upgrade my castle, because the next banner can't come fast enough!
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2017, 06:40:29 PM »
Spent 20 orbs yesterday, got four 3 stars, one 4 star and zero characters I've ever heard of. One of them's a dancer (Olivia, 3*) and another has that WTA over colorless characters I was coveting (Henry, 4*), so it's not all bad, at least.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2017, 06:56:20 PM »
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Marth is my only 5 star, but he's wrecking ish right now.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2017, 08:00:14 AM »
Hmm, it seems winning 7 intermediate fights in a row isn't enough to get ranked this week.  I'm at 2924 points right now.

EDIT:  Never mind, it just takes a while to update.  That put me at 76000 rank.

Saving this so I can find it later: https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/fire-emblem-heroes-iv-calculator

Apparently my Takumi is -attack +defense.  FML.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2017, 03:46:06 PM »
Getting ranked largely seems a matter of "do you have the heroes that give bonus to score". I won 7 intermediate in a row for the first season, but without any banner heroes I didn't get ranked.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2017, 06:55:34 PM »
Arena ranking is based on several things:

1: The level of your team (and consequently the level of the enemy team, since it matches you by level). Higher level is more points. So for optimal arena ranking you'll need to be 40. It looks like merge bonuses (+1, +2, etc.) count as levels as well for the purposes of matchups, although that doesn't come up much right now.

2: How many of your units survive at the end. When I was running Advanced, I got around 640 points if everyone lived. In a fight where I lost 3 units at the end I only got around 420 points. The point range that you see previewed when you pick your difficulty appears to be the range from 1 unit surviving to all 4 units surviving. So you need to preserve your units ideally, which can be difficult in the arena meta.

3: The number of bonus units you use. 1 is a 2x mult, 2 is a 2.3x mult, 3 is a 2.6x mult and 4 is a 2.9x mult. You do want to have at least one. The bonus units are all of the current banner focus heroes, Alfonse, and Sharena. If you didn't pull any of the focus heroes I recommend leveling Sharena as she is a legit story unit (also a lack of blues in the current pool as well, so she can fill that role).

Finally, your Defense rank does contribute to your overall ranking. I don't know if the numerical value of your Defense rank is just added on top of your Offense rank or if it scales differently. Of course that's mildly out of your control; you just have to hope someone fights your team and loses.

Your Defense team is your default (leftmost) team. It is suggested you dedicate this team slot solely for arena Defense and use other team slots to play the game with your desired pve composition/arena offense. Some notes:

1. Design your team in mind with how the AI is going to play with it, i.e. hyper-aggressive and prone to being baited. This generally favors high offense heroes and of course bullshit that can counter at any range like Takumi.
2. Support units or anything that requires player intelligence to be used well (e.g. most assist actions) don't tend to do as well. If you use a healer (like me) and don't have another offensive hero leveled up to replace that slot on Defense, be sure to unequip their weapon (at least right now while the stamina cost is free to do so). This will prevent your healer from running off and tinking enemy players when they fight your team and becoming free kills, and force them to prioritize using their heals under the AI. Especially important with healers like Serra where it's much more advantageous to use her attack aura and +4 Spd to party special than the actual healing itself.
3. Defense just takes your highest score from the best defense you got. I believe the score is determined by how many of YOUR units survived during the defense, i.e. total blowout. This season I got 254, and the highest feather reward rank is 251+.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2017, 07:32:53 PM »
Wow, nope.   That is entirely a system too stupidly arcane and spikey for me to take part in, especially when those dueling crests are going to dry up and it is pay to participate.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2017, 09:19:54 PM »
Not really? Feather payout from arena is from offense, defense, and ranking. You are giving up a free 1k~ feathers (and 100-500 if you earn any defenses at all) by not participating. The above is only a concern if you are trying to place a reward in ranking, for offense you literally can coast on a 7-win streak on beginner or intermediate and get an easy payday, on a team of any level. Rank reward is for tryhards, just ignore it if you don't care.

Your score is your best win streak in the season, you get 21 arena runs a week (3 a day) and streaks cap at 7. So that is 3 full attempts minimum during the week with zero dueling crests. For minimum effort slap your highest 5* and a bunch of lowbies and walk over nub teams or whatever.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2017, 10:09:24 PM »
Yeah I mean you spend the resource you get, right?   But I ain't pushing for rank any time.  I am not going nuts trying to get 7 in a row.  I am not stripping options off my healer so that my defense AI works better.

The zero effort part there is like literally the problem.  The efficient line (least resources for acceptable returns) is both gaming the system and completely disengaging from it at the same time.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2017, 12:47:16 AM »
Just finished a 7 streak myself, but now gotta focus on getting those Arena Missions finished.

Was nice being able to promote Nino and Est to 4* though, yay bonus feathers!
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2017, 06:42:37 PM »
It only takes one successful defense to get feathers, so I'm just leaving a balanced A team in the primary position and calling it a day.

On another subject, today's bonus fight: Yikes. I've yet to get anybody above L25 so I don't think that's happening.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2017, 07:38:23 PM »
The Narcian fights are damned hard by any standards.  I'm close to beating the harder one but need a few levels in the right places.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2017, 08:06:37 PM »
Even on normal mode that blue cavalier is a goddamned dick move, somehow moreso than magic cavaliers usually are.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2017, 11:26:30 PM »
Read that, and it's definitely a fun thing to soak up meta knowledge, but of course it presumes being decked with the current meta 5* (several of which aren't focus banner heroes, like Linde/Hector) which isn't really feasible unless you are dropping cash. That is for the serious arena diehards who are aiming for rank, flawless runs with no deaths and maximum statlines, etc.

(On that note your team's total stat value appears to be the determining factor for point gain, which is tied to but not directly correlated with level - the more mobile a unit is the less stats they have, so there's some variance there.)

Stat IVs being important is unsurprising, though, given how FE stats work. Doubling/not being doubled is always huge, and breakpoints for OHKOs on specific heroes are important (like Linde gets oneshotted by Takumi/Jeorge if they have +3 Atk from nature or an aura, whereas she destroys them on the counter otherwise).
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2017, 07:51:10 AM »
The daily hero map today is Olivia, who is a red dancer. Comes with an attack aura too. Completely usable solely as a backline unit since Dance is so good, so her stats don't matter all that much. Do note you will need to promote her to 3* in order to actually use Dance, which will run you 200 feathers and 10 red badges (and leveling her to 20).

EDIT: Also, for those looking to rank, as of now (1 day before the season ends), I had the following rankings with respective scores:

<3000 offense, 260 defense = unranked
3560 offense, 260 defense = rank 57271
4162 offense, 260 defense = rank 11202 (current streak peak)
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2017, 09:06:49 AM »
So I came to the conclusion that my team just isn't working.  Takumi is good but not as good as his hype.  Effie takes forever to get into position.  Jeorge is frail and his special takes forever to charge.  And Chrom just plain sucks.  Garbage speed and resistance means he dies if anything looks at him.

So I made a new team from scratch.  Burned some feathers to get them to 4-stars, but it'll be worth it in the long run.

Eliwood
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Gunter

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Jagen gives +6 defense and resistance to the other two.  Gunter gives +6 attack and speed to the other two.  Eliwood gives +4 defense and resistance to the other two from range.  Currently using Serra as the fourth to keep their hp topped off and she buffs Gunter's attack.  I'll probably swap in Ursula when she's released since she has the offensive version of Eliwood's buff.

So far this is working well.  Put Gunter at a chokepoint with the others supporting him and he has +10 defense and resistance.  He does not die.  Then rush in with the other two and mow everything down.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2017, 03:08:43 PM »
I waffled  on whether to pull again on the current set of banners, and I'm glad I did because I have a 5 star Roy now.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2017, 04:39:15 PM »
I said I wouldn't pull until a new banner, but I have so many orbs, it's actually looking appealing...
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2017, 05:47:55 PM »
I am also kicking this around.

My luck with draws sucks: through something like 20-30 I have nobody with 5-stars, and only a small handful who are 4-stars... most of whom are characters I don't like much, don't seem to be very good, or both. The first 4-star I got I actually care about is Arthur... who I already have a Level 18 3-star for. -_- Gacha mechanics are pretty stupid.

Fortunately the game itself is reasonably enjoyable; some of the maps do actually make you think a bit in that good FE way.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2017, 06:55:49 PM »
Oh yeah, friend ID is 1119009935.

EDIT: Thanks, Captain; good catch.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2017, 08:29:14 PM »
Oh yeah, friend ID is 1119009935.

Fixed your friend ID for you, too many zeroes.