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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #450 on: October 23, 2017, 10:34:58 PM »
Some of the restrictions are really dumb. Did you know you still can't put B Skills like Seals on healers because of Skill Inheritance Restrictions? I didn't until I tried SI'ing Lachesis since she's my only bonus unit for this TT. I mean, I know it's a pretty trashy move, but still I'm just trying to make something usable for TT, y FEH? ;-;

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #451 on: October 24, 2017, 12:18:13 AM »
I'd recommend putting Live to Serve or Renewal as the B slot for healers in TT so they can sustain themselves should they need to take hits. But I do agree that healers are randomly gimped out of a few too many skills.

In the case of Guidance, I actually think the restriction it has is cool; FEH has too many things rewarding the use of mono-type teams (Cavalry/Flier/Armour buffs, Infantry Pulse, Armour March, etc., and not enough that encourages cross-class synergy like Guidance. It also references the Fire Emblem tactic of using a flier to airdrop a tank into a key position seen the games with Rescue and/or Pair Up.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #452 on: October 24, 2017, 01:17:15 AM »
That is what I eventually did. But my whole normal TT team has Renewal. I just wanted to run a different healer ;-;

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #453 on: October 24, 2017, 02:31:24 AM »
Well, after the wasteland of Dancer-less-ness, I managed to get 3 Dancers in the span of a week. Ninian, Dagger-Olivia, and Shigure. Shigure seems kinda meh, but I have crap for Blue Mages, so he's now my best Blue unit unless I'm running my Ephraim/Tharja combo.

Haven't really figured out how to work Dagger!Olivia (or the 4* Red Olivia I lucked into) onto a team yet. She's got a really crappy nature, too...

Ninian is the most recent addition, and I'm excited to see if Dragon Emblem is possible.

Did some pulls on the FE4 banners, but the only thing I got was a 5* Eirika... Convenient, yes, but not game-changing since I already have Ephraim and several 4* Eirikas.

MF-ing Black Knight remains the most broken unit ever for pretty much every challenge I've attempted.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #454 on: October 24, 2017, 06:50:41 AM »
I pretty much use Shigure as a pseudo-healer, alongside an actual healer, it's a good way to keep your team up and healed. Dagger!Olivia I noticed people using her for an assassin build, but maybe it might work better with a pseudo-healer then Shigure.

I need to work harder on my teams though...specially on the tablet / actual Nintendo account. I have no idea how to set up my teams for that account.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #455 on: October 24, 2017, 04:31:27 PM »
So much for that. Got Deirdre, and Hinoka from the free pull on the new banner.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #456 on: October 24, 2017, 09:09:01 PM »
PSA on support building:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/78huej/an_updated_guide_to_supports/

Short version:
* Similar to Fates, your support gain per map is capped.
* Specifically, it is capped at: 1 initiated battle per person (while in supp range?).  Kills don't matter.  Needs to be vs. lvl. 35+ enemy.
* That means that massacaring hordes of dudes in a Warriors map while in supp range won't help.  Training Tower is presumably more efficient for fast supp growth.  Make sure both of the partners start a fight, if one of them is a dancer or some such.

Also, from digging up older posts in the thread...

New banner is: Klein, Lachesis, Olwen, Reinhardt, Sanaki and Eldigan

Two semi obscure characters from Fire Emblem 5, Fail FE6 Archer #2, more incest, and Tallychu's waifu

Actually, this is our first Fail FE6 Archer; you will have to wait patiently for Wolt and Dorothy.

I do think it's a bit weird that the new banner only has 1/6 characters from internationally released FEs; if we don't get any more before March 14 or whatever this does potentially seem like a way to start bleeding fans. But my guess is they're setting up for something reasonably big next: Sanaki being on a sibling-themed banner strongly suggests we'll get Micaiah soon.

Also the next banner has also been leaked, similar to the Fighting Robin one: Effie/Nino/Setsuna/Felicia. It's a more interesting crop of units gameplaywise than Fighting Robin was, at least. Nino being there (along with noted mage-slayer Felicia and noted thief-slayer Setsuna) strongly suggests Ursula is the next Grand Hero battle.

Ah yes, "soon".  Soon as in the same year maybe? 

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #457 on: October 25, 2017, 02:20:20 AM »
Hey if you're gonna dig up posts about me being wrong, you should acknowledge that I totally called that Ursula GHB right.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #458 on: October 26, 2017, 04:59:02 AM »
Hinoka is finally mine! And with yet another +ATK/-RES nature. The game really wants me to smash things, and damn if I'm not inclined to oblige.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #459 on: October 26, 2017, 07:58:21 AM »
Arvis is actually a pretty great healer.  Recover ring heals more than Lucina with Falchion and Renewal 3.  AND his weapon has two ploys on it (atk and res).

The one downside for him as a tempest trials healer is that he has less max HP than lucina, which matters because Reciprocal Aid healers are basically HP batteries.  But that's not a problem THIS tempest trials cause he's a bonus unit and gets +10 HP and +4 all other stats.

All in all, well worth the 5* IMO (he doesn't get Recover Ring or his weapon at 4*).

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #460 on: October 26, 2017, 03:14:42 PM »
The HP is less of an issue if you run Ardent Sacrifice instead, which Recovery Ring is literally perfect for powering. That said I dunno if his ability to use a tome over a staff will make him more useful than a pure healer in future tempests and chain challenges or not. Maybe if you give him -raven/-blade to really shine as a combat unit (ploys are fine and all, but not as good as those IMO).

After decision paralysis over dancers and FE4 characters I don't really care about as characters, the game finally gave me a chance to draw both someone I kinda like AND someone with a unique gameplay niche, so I too finally have Hinoka, ending my run of trying and failing to get good flier units (Corrin, Tana, Elincia). Hopefully the Halloween banner will give us a red flier mage~

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #461 on: October 27, 2017, 12:28:02 AM »
Decided how to spend most of my 50k feathers.

+2 Ursula. Aw yeah no regrets

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #462 on: October 28, 2017, 10:10:51 PM »
After decision paralysis over dancers and FE4 characters I don't really care about as characters, the game finally gave me a chance to draw both someone I kinda like AND someone with a unique gameplay niche, so I too finally have Hinoka, ending my run of trying and failing to get good flier units (Corrin, Tana, Elincia). Hopefully the Halloween banner will give us a red flier mage~

Stop using that monkey's paw for your wishes, Elf.  We could have had Miriel...  alas.

Also, FWIW, the Festival banner's Olivia sports a Distant Def, so even if you don't care about her, it's pretty okay for SI.  (And obviously Arya has a Swift Sparrow if you eat her.)
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #463 on: October 29, 2017, 12:09:16 AM »
Well yeah, there were plenty of good things to get, but only so many orbs to get 'em with.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #464 on: October 29, 2017, 01:49:48 AM »
Infernal Ursula

Not my most replicable strategy, but here it is:

Spring Camilla with TA Gronnraven, Quick Riposte, Distant Def seal
Tharja with Spur Res (her default), Spur Res seal
Eirika with Fortify Res seal
Xander with Quick Riposte

Tharja has a C support with Camilla (created for this fight), so that she gives Camilla a total of 9 res when adjacent. Spoilers, this will matter.

Camilla is the anchor of the strategy and can't easily be replaced since she's the only Gronnraven user weak to neither Poison Dagger nor Wolf spells, which feature prominently here. Turn 1 she moves to the the second square from the left on the horizontal corridor the player has access to. This baits the nearer dagger-user who does 0 damage to her and dies. Eirika moves to buff her again. The three cavaliers break down the wall and close in.

Turn 2... Camilla moves one square left, remaining in range of both mage cavaliers. Tharja sits beside her, in range of the green mage cav but not Ursula. Xander hides in the top-left corner, while Eirika sits between the other two reds in the only remaining totally safe space. The green mage cav attacks Camilla and is countered. The axe general Wings of Mercies his way to beside Camilla, attacking her. The sword cav draws bakc the green mage cav, then Ursula comes in and attacks Camilla too. That's loads of damage, but with all the res stacking I used Camilla can survive. Meanwhile Xander counter-KOs the other knife-user.

Camilla moves diagonally and finishes Ursula, buffed Tharja moves down and OHKOs the green armour through Aegis. Critically both of them get out of the way of Eirika repositioning Xander, and Xander can thus reach and kill the green mage cav, and tank the sword cav for the win.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #465 on: October 30, 2017, 04:35:57 AM »
Ursula's fight has fallen far from its original status as insanely brutal.  Deploy Black Knight, poke him into range, keep him healed up, win.  BK defeats both Lunatic & Infernal handily, and does so with a spare slot if you want the Sharena / Ursula quests as well.  Just need a healer and a Dancer so the healer can jump in, heal the BK, then jump back out.  (Or use Sakura's Physic twice, I guess.)

I guess Ursula can kill him if he doesn't have a Black Luna ready to go either time she attacks, but it's largely pretty safe.  Sadly the "watch BK murder everything" strat is less cool than Elecman's.  They should forcibly play the BK music when doing this, IMO.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #466 on: October 30, 2017, 05:29:48 AM »
BK will die if both mages attack him on one turn, or if he fails to KO Ursula as you note (he'll need Vantage if you want to KO her second attack as otherwise she'll activate her AoE limit and obliterate you) but I can see how you can set it up so that he OHKOs with Luna or Quick Riposte against the first mage then is healed to deal with the second. Simple and effective. I still need to work on finishing his skillset, he does seem really good for an armour (though if you know my opinions that's damning with faint praise, I have 5* Effie and she doesn't even make my AA team since without Distant Counter she's just way too limited).

Someone who also seems really good for an armour? Henry! Finally getting a worthwhile form it looks like, yay 33/34 offence armour mage. And he's even green.

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They should forcibly play the BK music when doing this, IMO.

They should, preferably Unstoppable Destiny. The slow non-combatty version we got on the previous TT was a real disappointment IMO.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #467 on: October 31, 2017, 06:07:12 AM »
Got Halloween Henry. Another life goal achieved.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #468 on: October 31, 2017, 06:33:45 AM »
Spent all of my saved 140 Orbs on the Halloween banner in hopes of a ranged Armor unit.

Got lolidragon and Eldigan. (Literally 2 pulls that were nothing but Red/Blue options...)

I have so many Red Units that will never be useful...

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #469 on: October 31, 2017, 06:00:23 PM »
Yeah, the best thing about Arena Assault is that it gives me a reason to use at least some of the dozen or so swordspeople sitting on my bench who will never ever ever be one of the four best units for any particular job.

40 orbs into the Halloween banner so far, still nothing. Really hoping for one of the ranged armors, those look super fun to mess with.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #470 on: November 02, 2017, 12:47:20 AM »
Welp, first roll set ended poorly: Boey and a Halloween Jakob with +Spd, -Def. Thinking of what to do because I don't think +Spd works on him. Sadly, it means I might have to work on building him. How I don't know. One of the posts suggested Fury and Sacred Seal Spd to raise spd even more but I'd rather patch up the Def issue.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #471 on: November 02, 2017, 01:35:24 PM »
Got a pity breaker Mae, was annoyed at myself for pulling blue just to round out the set of 5, and then my next summon had both witch-Nowi and catgirl Sakura. Awesome. I'll keep going because I really want those ranged armors, plus Sakura is -SPD, but if I get no more featured units I'm still coming out ahead.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #472 on: November 02, 2017, 08:10:00 PM »
Notably...  *Selena* freaking came through again for me, sporting TA3 & Reposition, both of which are great for GHBs (despite Selena being pretty terrible for, say, Arena).

Actually... you can build a pretty effective Selena for arena; TA3 and Reposition are great there too. You just really want to give her a useful C skill (such as Hone Atk/Speed) because with her lower Atk she will act primarily as support, buffing and repositioning allies, while TA lets her check any green. She's basically a discount Eirika (who is absolutely one of the very best reds for the arena); obviously the lack of doublebuff is noticeable, but on the other hand Selena is highly available and can be built on a budget.

Clearly this week's bonus set was designed to make me eat my words.  Cecilia was in the previous set of bonus options so Horse Emblem team with comparatively EZ perfects since Cecilia baits Rein / Bow-Lyn / etc. pretty well, but my only 5* option this time was Selena.  But hey, variety is the spice of life.  Also having a 5* Raven+2 (the Hero, not the Tome) with Deathblow due to IntSys being weird and never using him due to Cecilia existing was aggravating, so...  super-mobility team-up of Selena / Olivia-Dagger / Tana / Raven go!  Nobody can bait Rein or Lyn (no, Distant Def on -RES Olivia is not enough with her bad HP, not even with Res+2 Seal), but 3 Repositions, 1 Dance, and Guidance on Tana means that the team can YOLO charge in reasonably well for a non-Horsey team.  -DEF, +RES Selena is largely a way worse Black Knight as far as being bait, BUT, she does screw Green Mages pretty well (eat it, Julia), and thanks to the new banners, there's a surprising amount of Armor Emblem going around, which she's hilarious against.  Obviously eats Hector alive, and can potentially handle Black Knights with proper care and feeding as well.

Basically this team is worse but more interesting which is really the point.  Oh, and speaking of Mobility, I threw Wings of Mercy 3 on Raven as well and put him on my defense team (still Tana/BK/Olivia-PA for the others).  Enjoy, nameless Internet invaders out there.

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As a random bit of theorycraft, I kinda wonder where IntSys can go with future archers.  They basically made the perfect archer stat profile in Bow Lyn - 3 Move, tons of Atk & Speed & Swift Sparrow, just enough Res to survive when killing a Mage that doesn't get OHKO'd.  What else can they do to make future archers worth caring about?

* Jakob-Armor is throw a bow on an Armored unit and make it a tank, so there's that.
* In the same way, they can still do a Flying archer for Kinshi Knight air anti-air counter fun.  (I'm not sure Reina qualifies for the waifu test, nor does Kiragi for the husbando test, though.)
* For the Astrids/Raths/Shins/Sues of the world...  I guess they could do Bow Lyn's build but emphasizing okay Def and terrible Res rather than okay Res and terrible Def, which would be a (bad) sidegrade, but still respectable if you fear Archers more the Mages, maybe.  A "balanced" horse archer stat build will just look bad at this point.  They could maybe do a Takumi-esque horse archer who has a legendary with built-in Close Counter for some Archer capable of doing this in-game (Ranger Neimi?  Paladin Astrid?), and that would have a place in more defensive teams...?

Basically they can try some weird gimmicks (for all that Lyn already has her own gimmicks in Mulagir & Sacae's Blessing), but it's tricky.  Well unless they jump straight to Power Creep Round 2, maybe.

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« Reply #473 on: November 03, 2017, 06:13:07 AM »
Well roll set number two (to the Nintendo account) granted me a -Atk, +Spd H.Sakura and a +HP, -Def Julia. Only Henry evades me now. I must attempt to pick him up...somehow. Also working on patching H.Sakura's issues. Wish me luck. Also the new gauntlet has officially run out of ideas.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #474 on: November 03, 2017, 04:09:32 PM »
Also the new gauntlet has officially run out of ideas.

And honestly it's my favorite one yet. They don't all have to be super serious. The occasional silly idea with semi-random characters is fun. Though it kinda seems rigged for the more well known ones.