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Re: TV Shows
« Reply #400 on: November 07, 2013, 09:12:43 PM »
So in summary, the most insufferable and only out and out bad parts of huge books are the worst parts of the TV series.

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« Reply #401 on: February 23, 2014, 03:28:34 AM »
Is anyone else watching True Detective?
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« Reply #402 on: February 24, 2014, 07:02:24 PM »
I think I've honestly seen like, 3-4 people in chat ask this question independently.

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« Reply #403 on: February 24, 2014, 07:06:25 PM »
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« Reply #404 on: March 03, 2014, 04:02:35 AM »
Archer Vice: Been watching this. It's Archer but with a Miami Vice drug setting (Blame Mallory). It's attempting to more grow the characters in serious directions which is something but eh. It's just not as funny as earlier seasons to me. I don't like the change in scenery and plot that this season has entailed.
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« Reply #405 on: March 08, 2014, 05:10:39 AM »
Also watching other shows.

Dexter- Watched most of season 1 today. Fantastic stuff. The big plot twist with the killer I saw coming a mile away. (It hasn't been revealed who the real killer is yet, but it's screamingly obvious who it is). I've heard this series gets real bad later on, but I'm enjoying it for now.

Burn Notice- Finished. The last season was much better than the previous two, which were largely mired down in the problem of 'what the fuck do we do with Michael unburned?'. This season largely ignored the previously established format of villain/victim of the week-work on overarching plot to focus on one of the series's main themes- Michael's struggle with morality and right and wrong. It was also extremely dark. There is a lot more bloodshed. This is a big deal, as Michael kills like one person in the first four seasons of the show.

It's not as good or fun as earlier seasons, but it's good times. One thing Burn Notice did well until the end was constantly hammering home that old characters/mistakes would come back and haunt the characters in later seasons. There were a lot of callbacks in the 7th season, and most of the callbacks were good.

E: Dexter! Been marathoning this. I am about to start the last episode of season 3.  S3 feels like a stepdown in quality.  Skinner just isn't as compelling a story as Bynie in S1 or and the Bay Harbor Butcher in S2. It's still fun. Dexter is wrestling with turning from a loner into a family man, with all the baggage that entails. Wedding should be fun. Probably the best part of the show is how the supporting characters are changing over the seasons. Maria in particular has gone from total incompetent to seriously good detective.  I'm expecting her to find something out about Dexter at the end of this season or soon enough.
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« Reply #406 on: March 11, 2014, 07:21:51 PM »
S3 is easily the weakest of the first four seasons (which are, as a whole, a seriously amazing run of television), but it's still solid. Sadly once you wrap up season four things are going to go downhill in a hurry.
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« Reply #407 on: March 12, 2014, 10:30:07 PM »
Season 4's been a ton of fun, yeah.  I like how Dexter's dad has turned from a character in a flashback to a voice for Dexter's madness.  Even as crazy as Dexter is, he's really advanced a lot in terms of being able to relate to people.  The show does an outstanding job diagramming the mind of a madman in an a plausible fashion.

Also, it's worth repeating: Deb is *totally* unstable. She's as unstable as Bynie or Lila or the other lunatics who come and go on the show. The only reason she has any grip on sanity is due to her serial killer brother keeping her upright, which is all kinds of fucked up. Even more fucked up is that a lot of her issues are due to her father ignoring her for Dexter.
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« Reply #408 on: March 15, 2014, 07:18:18 PM »
I still think the worst change from the original novel was Dexter not letting Bynie kill LaGuerta and then escape.

E: in the book it's LaGuerta who gets grabbed while tracking him not Deb.

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« Reply #409 on: March 15, 2014, 08:28:04 PM »
Halfway through S7 of Dexter, the Russian dude was just arrested. I will do my big rant when I'm done with the series, but *what the fuck* to Deb's final scene with the shrink.
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« Reply #410 on: March 15, 2014, 10:54:41 PM »
Everything they do with Deb from here on is going to be "what the fuck."

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« Reply #411 on: March 16, 2014, 11:18:49 PM »
I don't think you're supposed to find True Detective as hilarious as I do.

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« Reply #412 on: March 17, 2014, 12:47:10 AM »
Once writers wrote "dick for brains" into Dexter's character is when I started hating the show. At least I had Deb to keep me going with the BS, but man my love for the Dex fell hard after S6. I'm glad I'm done with the show.

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« Reply #413 on: March 17, 2014, 01:19:19 AM »
Everything they do with Deb from here on is going to be "what the fuck."

All I will say about that is that everything Deb usually did made sense, even if it was completely fucked up and terrible. Series spoilers:


 The final four seasons lose a lot of their heart and soul without Rita and the stepkids there. They also lose a lot of the tight pacing, as the police never come very close to catching Dexter. The villains weren't much either which hurts. The show also seems to largely try and whitewatch/redeem Dexter. How often does he use the plastic room after S5 anyway?

Anyway, the two major issues that everyone has with the series applies to me.

1. Debster. Just... fucking Debster. The worst part? As *incredibly* fucked up as it was, it was compelling TV watching. Poor Deb. Watching Hannah and Deb feud for the last two seasons was really... something. They feuded like women fighting over the same man, which is what they were doing. Hell, Zack even called it when he saw the two together in the keys.  The worst part? Deb doesn't seem to ever fall out of love with Dex, even when she hates him. I really thought the ending was going to be Deb and Dex running off together as lovers with Harrison after being uncovered as a Serial Killer. 

2. That last episode. It was bad and should feel bad. Poor Deb.  Deb dying itself wasn't terrible persay, but like everyone else who watched the show I was super attached to the character.

Also, a special bonus issue!

3. They went too far in redeeming Dexter for his crimes, I think. *shrug*  I do like the concept (Robert Jordan used this with Rand Al Thor) that masks you wear can become the real person, but I can see why there was some criticism.

I was going to post a fairly lengthy rant diagramming everything that the series did wrong after S4, but there's no point. S6 gets my vote for worst season by a mile. S8 at least had tons of Deb and Dexter stuff, which is cool.


Fun series, my issues aside. You watch the first four seasons because it's dark, compelling TV. You watch the final four seasons for trainwreck value.
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« Reply #414 on: March 17, 2014, 02:37:44 AM »
Showtime actively vetoed any ending where Dexter would die, which is why we got the Lumberjack Epilogue. Which in turn is more than enough reason to punch the next Showtime exec you see in the face. Plus everything with Deb forgiving Dexter for all the shit he pulled, up to and including getting her killed, just rang more and more false as S8 wore on. Her burial at sea was where it tipped over from bad drama to terrible comedy for me.
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« Reply #415 on: March 17, 2014, 03:09:18 AM »
Re ending: For what it's worth, Jennifer Carpenter denied that particular rumor, but it wouldn't surprise me. Second part...

I don't have trouble buying Deb forgiving Dexter for anything.  She had no real family or human connections besides for Dexter and she was a completely broken person to the end. She spent her entire adult life chasing either Dexter in romantic partners and *actually claimed to fall  in love with him what the fuck*. I think she was incapable of really blaming Dexter or showing him anything but blind adoration. It reminds me more than a little of the dynamic between Trinity and his wife.

Also the entire substory with the therapist who knew Dexter really sucked and was only useful as a way to bring rapproachment to Deb and Dexter before the series end.

Related to that, I don't at all buy Deb showing any interest in Quinn in the end, but it fucking beats the Debster storyline.0

Edit: Deb's death is such a rehash of what happened to Rita in style and substance. Dexter in general had a big problem with generating new content and ideas after S4, but that last episode was real bad about it. [/size=1pt]
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« Reply #416 on: March 17, 2014, 07:41:33 PM »
White Collar: I started watching this at some point and got Ash into it. Jesus the guy who plays Neil Caffrey is pretty. Show is fun. Plots are a bit weak, but characters make it work.

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« Reply #417 on: March 17, 2014, 08:15:13 PM »
He was in Chuck, too! You should watch Chuck.
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« Reply #418 on: April 04, 2014, 02:28:37 AM »
So up until the last minute, How I Met Your Mother had a really solid finale. And then they peed all over it.
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« Reply #419 on: April 04, 2014, 02:33:58 AM »
Hm. I think I watched the first 6 or so episodes of this season and then just forgot about watching it. I blame a lack of cable and having to watch the show on CBS' website to keep up. ain't nobody got time for dat

I've been enjoying White Collar a lot. I don't even care that it keeps getting more and more ridiculous. I work in marketing. The main character is a con man. It's fun times. Also, yes, he is ridiculously beautiful. So I don't mind that either.

For rewatching old shows, House, M.D. is now on Netflix. I think I've got plenty to keep me occupied.
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« Reply #420 on: June 01, 2014, 06:50:08 PM »
White Collar: into the third season. This site is just damned fun. All the characters are great - it's like Burn Notice if everybody was on Sam's level of awesomeness.

Orphan Black: started this last week, and I'm now into the second season. This thing is addictive. Great concept, amazing acting. Tatiana Maslany is unbelievable. And the writers are way too good at cliffhangers.

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« Reply #421 on: June 02, 2014, 08:15:03 PM »
Game of thrones yesterday just fucking murdered Inigo Montoya in the most gruesome way possible. Jeeeeeeesus.
That might have almost been too much for me, this was way worse than even the Red Wedding (maybe because I really didn't expect it) I'm still super grossed out


I don't really understand House of Cards because at its heart it's still kind of a dumb show with all the usual trappings you'd see on TV shows (Fairly addictive sure) but the politics talk is a really high barrier to entry
I guess that most people watching the show kind of ignore the politics or just only vaguely get it.

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« Reply #422 on: August 04, 2014, 09:18:14 PM »
Sherlock- Watched season 3. Thought this was less strong than the first two seasons.  The villain of the final episode was kind of dumb in particular. He's blackmailing the world, yes. So just kill him. It reminded me a lot of Rand's speech about how to deal with Grandael when he destroyed Natrin's Barrows in The Gathering Storm. Other than that, there was lots of fun and the two actors who play Watson and Holmes have fantastic chemistry.
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« Reply #423 on: September 16, 2014, 07:30:36 AM »
Agents of SHIELD- So this happened.  The first half of the season is largely lame, the fifth (Girl in the Flower Dress) and eighth (The Well) being the only ones I felt were actively good and with at least one (the second, 0-8-4) being actively bad.  Second half is better overall despite amplifying the single most annoying bit of the early episodes, the wangsty trust issues.  But at least those are justified at the time because, y'know, that's that part of the show that corresponds to the second Captain America movie.  Also had entirely too much Victoria Hand. 

It's a bit weird how long the show took to get interesting because it always had the components to be good; the cast is diverse, Coulson is Coulson, they can pick up bits and pieces of a larger Marvel Universe without having to dedicated acres of plot space to them and when they elect to do stuff like "well yeah, of course there's random people with superpowers out there, it's still a Marvel universe" or "wait, Asgardians are visually indistinguishable from humans, why WOULDN'T one happen to like the place and decided to stay?" and general they can elect to show impact from larger events (ie movies) or build the universe at large and both lead to interesting episodes.  But when the show doesn't have something to pay attention to and instead dwells on the cast, it fares poorly because basically it's written like a soap opera (... or an X-men comic really).  Amazingly, at the end the shakeup in the cast dynamic does away with all that nicely and look, these guys are friends and don't need to whine constantly because they are here to get shit done.  Very nice.

Despite some in and out praise for everything after episode 17 (HEIL HYDRA and all that, gosh whyever would the big reveal in Cap completely upend a show about ground-level SHIELD agents I couldn't tell you) and the snark about soap operainess the real standout is episode 15.  Gosh, a named supervillain that isn't shoehorned into the metaplot (metaplot is nice and all but you can have a villain who's an active villain during their entire episode without making them also a minion of your big bad in this kind of show) and a cool cameo that actually gives us a little insight into a side character from the flicks and leaves them a plot thread that could be used all kinds of ways if they elect to later?  Very nice.

Speculation (I haven't been keeping up, so if the previews invalidate this then I guess I record my wrongness for posterity: Skye is an Inhuman.  Bit of a longshot, but straight up alien doesn't mesh with her not immediately scanning as something else all those times she was medically examined and she's very obviously not Asgardian, so alien-but-you-can't-tell is out.  Inhumans meanwhile could fit the known facts well; she's an 084 because Inhumans haven't made contact with modern humans yet and nobody knows what the fuck, but where she was found is relatively close to one of their comic outposts if memory serves.  She scans as human because, having not been exposed to terrigen mist or whatever the MCU uses instead, she is completely human still.  Inhumans can range all over the mutation spectrum, including overt physical ones, so her parents being 'monsters' could be a relatively literal description.  Plan B is that she's instead from Titan, although that doesn't mesh as well with lacking overt superpowers so seems a lot less likely.
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« Reply #424 on: September 16, 2014, 04:31:49 PM »
I like that theory because it meshes very well with the prospect of Interesting Stuff happening to her as a result of her "medical treatment" that wouldn't happen to other people.
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