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Re: TV Shows
« Reply #250 on: February 05, 2010, 11:47:19 PM »
Whoa, they changed the opening to the Office.

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« Reply #251 on: April 05, 2010, 05:39:54 AM »
Doctor Who season 5 started this weekend. Matt Smith is friggin' amazing.
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« Reply #252 on: April 12, 2010, 02:44:26 AM »
Buffy binging.  Got up to the end of season 3, ran out of DVDs. Breakdown.

General- Buffy, despite having compelling character writing (admittedly, with excessive angst quotient) is at its best when it's just letting villains chew screen time.  So yeah, that'll probably bring some sense to the season breakdown chart.
As an aside, I have to think that, had I watched this show during its original run, I'd be a lot more attracted to red heads. 

Season 1- Works quite well.  I really like the Master (arguably the best villain on the show, funny enough), and he ties together what is otherwise 100% monster of the week stuff quite nicely.  Very snappy, quick moving, quickly establishes everyone and gets to work, everything a Season 1 should be.

Season 2- Excels at high drama.  the last couple episodes were great.  A lot of the rest of the season was just building up to maximizing the impact at the end there, with occasional interludes of Spike or Angelus being entertaining.  That said, Angelus suffers a bit because... I dunno, him as a world-threatening thing is a definite stretch, unfortunately.  But granted "there's this thing, it'll let him suck the world into hell", it works very well.
Odd bit of fridge logic though.  While obviously, by the end of Season 2, they knew there would be a Season 3 and it would hurt the show later (as well as being kinda gratuitous on the deus angst machina scale)... it really would have been simpler to just turn Giles, no?  Suck out the soul, bam, instant eager access to everything he knows.

Season 3- Flounders in the early going.  I think they wanted everything to be intentionally awkward because, well, it would be considering the end of Season 2, but still, it wasn't much fun to watch up until Wish.  After that, you get lots of Faith being awesome, the predecessor to Greatest STory Never Told, evil lesbian vampire Willow, all great stuff.  Good stuff, just backloaded.
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« Reply #253 on: May 14, 2010, 05:24:28 PM »
Fuck yeah, Chuck Season 4 is on the way. 13 episodes, with another extension order if we're really lucky.
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« Reply #254 on: May 14, 2010, 05:38:01 PM »
This is mostly to CK's month old post, but as a general: I watched Buffy when I was around 17-19 when it first ran and liked it a lot. I'm thinking about rewatching it now, how does it hold up after all these years?
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« Reply #255 on: May 14, 2010, 05:38:45 PM »
It held up pretty well for me when I watched it last year. The special effects are dated, but good writing is good writing.
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« Reply #256 on: May 14, 2010, 08:07:53 PM »
Fuck yeah, Chuck Season 4 is on the way. 13 episodes, with another extension order if we're really lucky.

What else does NBC have that anybody even likes anyways?!
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« Reply #257 on: May 14, 2010, 08:27:16 PM »
NBC doesn't have anything that people like outside of the Office/30 Rock one-two. From a business standpoint, I wouldn't blame them if they just canceled every single prime-time show they have and started over.
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« Reply #258 on: May 14, 2010, 11:54:26 PM »
NBC doesn't have anything that people like outside of the Office/30 Rock one-two. From a business standpoint, I wouldn't blame them if they just canceled every single prime-time show they have and started over.

Parks & Rec and Community are probably better shows right now, though they don't pull very good ratings.  They're basically the Office of five years ago: critical acclaim, underachieving ratings.

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« Reply #259 on: May 17, 2010, 12:13:54 AM »
Community, I imagine, will pick up in popularity.  It's pretty funny; I'd place it somewhere between It's Always Sunny and The Office.  Parks and Rec, now... I simply don't like that show.

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« Reply #260 on: May 17, 2010, 08:34:07 AM »
I didn't care for the first season. I think it's really found its legs, though.

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« Reply #261 on: May 17, 2010, 05:04:26 PM »
Parks & Rec started off really rough, but it's first season was only six episodes and by the last one it was already pretty good. This second season has been fantastic, I think. I'd say it's my favorite comedy currently on the teevee. I also like it more than I ever liked the U.S. Office, to which it's most often  - for good reason - compared.

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« Reply #262 on: May 22, 2010, 02:28:54 AM »
Community is really good. I've only seen 5 or so episodes and they've all been great. It's currently about on the same level as 30 Rock for me and it has a lot of potential. Parks and Rec has been getting really good too. The Office has been slipping lately and with the improvement Parks and Rec has made I'd say it's now the better show.

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« Reply #263 on: May 22, 2010, 06:55:44 AM »
Community is really good. I've only seen 5 or so episodes and they've all been great. It's currently about on the same level as 30 Rock for me and it has a lot of potential. Parks and Rec has been getting really good too. The Office has been slipping lately and with the improvement Parks and Rec has made I'd say it's now the better show.

Community is a little inconsistent. I mean, "Modern Warfare" is one of the best half-hours of TV I've watched in years, but they also have some lows.

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« Reply #264 on: May 26, 2010, 12:15:47 AM »
Chuck finale last night was great. Final fight doesn't quite match the awesomeness of the wedding fire fight, but Jeffster's music video was fucking hilarious and the episode does so much else right that it's forgivable. A pretty great seasonal cliffhanger, all told.

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« Reply #265 on: May 26, 2010, 08:30:17 AM »
I think part of what made it good was that they knew they had gotten renewed and so they didn't have to conveniently wrap every single thing up just in case, this time.

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« Reply #266 on: May 26, 2010, 12:16:02 PM »
Eh. It still worked last season really well. Last season was still better on the whole, but thats not taking anything away from this one.

Oh, and if you see Jeff and Lester, remember they are extremely dangerous.

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« Reply #267 on: May 26, 2010, 07:06:57 PM »
Eh. It still worked last season really well. Last season was still better on the whole, but thats not taking anything away from this one.

Oh, and if you see Jeff and Lester, remember they are extremely dangerous.

Well, the last season basically had two finales.  The second-to-last episode was the "if we get cancelled" finale, and the last episode was the "if we get renewed" finale.

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« Reply #268 on: May 26, 2010, 10:42:23 PM »
Also: JEFF?

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« Reply #269 on: May 27, 2010, 12:39:54 AM »
Chuck is the best hour-long show on Television. The finale was like sex, only afterward I didn't wake up sobbing.

As to CK's analysis of Buffy Season 2:

Remember, Spike explicitly DOESN'T want to end the world. So Vampires have motivations outside of "Kill everything" (like Slayers Mozuko). GRANTED, Spike is a pretty fucking weird vampire, but still. They're shown consistently to have individual motivations, et cetera.

In other words, turning Giles wouldn't work at all because Giles would still fucking hate Angelus and would never give him squat.

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« Reply #270 on: May 30, 2010, 06:05:02 AM »
Chuck finale: Not QUITE as good as season 2's, due to a bit too much retconning and season 2's ending just being an amazingly high bar to reach. Still, really great stuff. Can't wait for season 4.
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« Reply #271 on: June 09, 2010, 03:36:57 AM »
I'm pretty much a "pick one show to watch entirely on DVD" person nowadays; I haven't bothered attempting to keep up with airdates in ages.

Just finished up all of Avatar: The Last Airbender; borrowed all 3 seasons from a friend of mine about a month ago.  Damn what an awesome show.  Just plain fun almost all the time, and I agree with the messages of the more serious parts.  Almost all my "complaints" are artifacts of the fact that you can only do so much in 22 minute plots, and even then the creators stuffed in a bunch of two-parter episodes (and a four-part finale) to get around this.  Managed to sneak a reasonably decent haul of death and destruction in the background past the "It's a kid show" censors too.  Incredibly strong cast all-around, though the "22 minute episodes" thing and need to generally focus on Our Heroes means that the show usually has to cook up excuses for only featuring a few members of the secondary characters in any episode.   Everyone should watch it.  (Also then you can appreciate OK's previous Azula avatar & El Cid's earlier Eiro avatar).

Pretty coincidental I caught up before the movie comes out, though glad I did.  Moderately worried about some of the things I've heard about the movie - M. Night Shamalyan is an erratic director - but could be awesome.  We'll see, I guess.  (Famously, the casting drew a giant outcry in that for a series based largely around Chinese martial arts with a splash of militarist Japan, Night managed to cast...  a bunch of White-Americans and Indian-Americans.  Well, I'm willing to give some benefit of the doubt, but it's still bizarre, especially for Aang, who is blatantly the Dalai Lama with kung fu.)

Also for whatever it's worth, the show I watched before Avatar: The Wire.  Everyone who is moderately interested in cop shows should definitely watch this.  Actually anyone moderately interested in social policy and inner city poor should watch it.  Okay, basically everyone should watch it.  Seriously.  You will not be able to watch bad cop shows the same way again.

For those not familiar with it, The Wire, rather than focusing on big splashy society murders, instead notes where police do most of their actual work: the drug trade.  It also shows both sides of the coin in having plenty of scenes involving the drug dealers, the kingpins, the people caught in the middle, and by the later seasons a whole bunch of other stuff (Season 2 has the dockworkers union, Season 3 and beyond politics, Season 4 the schools, and Season 5 the newspaper).  Just great, gritty stuff.  David Simon the creator is definitely swinging his political ax in parts - he thinks the drug war is a giant expensive failure and bureaucracy will chew up your soul - but since he pretty effectively shows WHY, I can't complain.  Lots of great characters and good plotting. 

If I have a complaint, it's that Season 5 is notably worse than the other seasons, probably because it hit too close to home - David Simon is a former journalist (who spent a year hanging out with cops researching a book) and Season 5's newspaper focus is obviously too close to home.  For a show with lots of nuance - villains with good sides, good guys motivated by the wrong reasons, etc. - the newsroom has HEROES and VILLAINS and never the twain shall meet and also THE BOSSES ARE DESTROYING REAL JOURNALISM.  Season 5 also features some drastic 180s in character arcs to make the plot sort of work, and it still holds together less than the earlier seasons.  Still really good, to be clear, but not as exceptional as the earlier seasons!

Also, as a semi-random comment, The Wire shows just how much things change in a mere 5 years (especially when other cop shows are still featuring, say, 70s ideas of mobsters as villains).  In Season 1, drug lookouts still use public phones.  By season 2, they're on cells.  By season 3, they're on anonymous pre-paid cells bought with cash out-of-state.  In season 5, they're sending coded photos to each other.

So yeah.  Go watch The Wire.

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I'm also rewatching all of Babylon 5 because it's been a decade since it finished and I was 10 years old when it started, so I figured I probably missed or have forgotten some of the finer points. All of season 1, for instance. Just heard Delenn say "If you value your lives, be somewhere else," which is still one of the best Big Damn Heroes moments (speaking of which) in all of television.

Other stuff....the writing's as sharp, and the characters as good, as I remember. Ivanova is particularly awesome, and they handled the Sinclair/Sheridan transition pretty damn well, given the retarded constraints the network put on them. The weakest part of the third season, which is otherwise a superb arc, is the lack of development for Clark. I'm perfectly willing to believe a person like that exists, but give me a reason why. Is he a xenophobe who really believes what he's saying? A megalomaniac? Machiavellian? Just plain nuts? He's had maybe three minutes of screen time in the entire series and they didn't even try to answer those questions before making him a major villain.

Yeah, I was very surprised at how Babylon 5 handled that plotline.  I figured from the start that Clark was just a figurehead of the Real Bad Guys, and once he started getting smeared for various Bad Things and President Clark Eats Babies, and when Babylon 5 foolishly made Clark the figurehead of their protests, that, well...  Clark would "step down."  Or be assassinated by his own supporters.  Or something else that would reveal the REAL BAD GUY and also make the Earth Force war more problematic since you just lost your big evil figurehead.  But no, they decided that Clark was indeed the Big Bad Guy himself, which was just lame because what little we see of him doesn't seem very impressive.

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« Reply #272 on: June 09, 2010, 08:15:16 AM »
I always assumed he was a figurehead who then decided he could call the shots on his own. That's why he goes from being successful and all sneaky and shit to having Minitru, Minipax, Miniluv and Miniplenty.

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« Reply #273 on: June 28, 2010, 05:53:47 PM »
Another season of Doctor Who in the can, and damn was it good. Smith is awesome, the dialogue was great, and even where the plot didn't exactly make sense it was still fun. Now I have to wait until Christmas for more, and I am sad.
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« Reply #274 on: June 28, 2010, 06:30:50 PM »
Been watching a fair bit of Mythbusters of late. The premise of the show is simple (Test shit), and it's a lot of fun.  I also stayed up way too late on saturday watching I (almost) go away with it, a show about criminals who go on the run after committing a crime.
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