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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2550 on: July 15, 2008, 03:04:56 AM »
Meep's probably right? Ike vs. Hector are very hard to compare though. Hector obviously wins early, Ike obviously wins late, both by relatively large amounts at that.

Eliwood's not that bad (though worse than all the others discussed so far, duh) though yes, at the mercy of the RNG even more than most lords. Get his support with Hector though, that is probably the best thing about both of them. Without that he doesn't even have durability.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2551 on: July 15, 2008, 03:59:38 AM »
Unless you're my friend Matt, who's Eliwood capped or came close to it in Speed, Strength, HP, and Defense. Toss him enough Body Rings for Durandal to not be a problem, and he ended up better than either of the other two lords on that play.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2552 on: July 15, 2008, 04:37:46 AM »
The issue with RNG-blessed Eliwood is, of course, ramming into those awful caps! But, if he got blessed, like it matters. >_> (Granted, I had a couple of speed demon Eliwoods myself)
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2553 on: July 15, 2008, 04:46:59 AM »
Eliwood at his caps is Ephraim minus the broken Prf weapons, Snow. Destroys worlds. I've seen it happen in one of my files too.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2554 on: July 15, 2008, 04:48:48 AM »
Well, yes, that's why I said "like it matters". But hey.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2555 on: July 15, 2008, 07:04:58 AM »
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2556 on: July 15, 2008, 07:22:18 AM »
Mega Man Starforce 2: Just beat Terra Condor, then did some side questing.  Like an idiot, I saved after beating Plesio Surf EX depsite not getting the card, so now I'm looking for his SP form which is kind of ;_;

Also beat Kung Foo Kid...many times...and finally got his Mega Card.  Looks like fun stuff!

Pokemon Colosseum: Finished! Final Boss is stupid cause, you know, how you do depends on what he opens with.

I know some of you are thinking "Oooh, randomized boss, neat!" But...no, its not.  See, one of the ways you had the advantage on bosses in Pokemon games is you have advanced knowledge; you know what he's going to open up with, so at least, you can react accordingly.  This game though? No, you can't predict which of his 6 he's going to use, besides that T-tar is going to be his last.  Its ridiculous.  You can open up to counter the Machamp and the Scizor but...nope! Slowking and Slaking came out!
It'd be one thing if his levels weren't so massively above yours.  5 level edge would have made this fine; then it'd be "He has the level edge, you have to find a way to work around it." But...he's *15*' above yours, with clearly better skill sets (This game has horrible TM options, and even the good TMs have very limited users.)

Frankly, Colosseum was such an unpolished game it shows, especially playing it after XD.  Shadow Pokemon was fail and lose how it was handled; took forever to unpuirify, etc.
THEN your options sucked.  My final team was Ampharos, Espeon, Umbreon, Entei, Suicune and Heracross.
Sounds like a decent squad no?
Well, Heracross doesn't appear until late in the game; I went out of my way to purify him only cause he was better than Hariyama, the FIRST SHADOW POKEMON YOU GET (as a Makuhita), and he was still one of the more interesting ones.  Umbreon and Espeon were starters, though, they're always good.  Suicune...fanboy reasons!  Also about the only decent Water type you get if you don't choose Croconaw (...yes, Croconaw/Feraligator is the second best you get, from what I saw.  This is WATER types too, for crying out loud, so its not like your options were limited...)  Entei...I wanted to use Quilava/Typhlosion, but he fell too far  behind on levels cause...well...
See, for a good part of the game, EVERY SINGLE TRAINER USES GROUND OR ROCK TYPES.  And all of them KNOW DIG (to branch off, if you're facing a Flying type, there's a 90% chance they'll have fly.  Yeah, you'd be wasting PP and fights would extend an entire turn for no good reason.)  Occasionally, they wouldn't have Dig, but rather Earthquake instead, which of course, is far more unfair.  What about EQ hitting their allies?
...they'd almost always pair EQ with a levitater, or a flying type, or sometimes, they'd be bold and just make it a Grass or Bug type next to it, so the ally was rarely hurt.  Of course, you could only DREAM of getting access to Earthquake, given your options suck and there's no real TMs.
So wait, why not use a Water type?
...cause at this point, my only Water type was freaking Quagsire.  I had to use him, cause well, it was either not use him and struggle against them, or just use him.  Its just obscene.  It doesn't help that Surf gets nerfed in multi battles (hits both enemies, but halved damage; this doesn't sound too bad until you realize there's plenty of cases you just want to nuke one of the enemies, and don't care about the other.)

What about flying types?  Well, your flying options consist of NOCTOWL! MANTINE! AND SKIPLOOM! Probably something like Ledian in the mix too.  Uh, yeah, not exactly a thrilling roster there, especially considering how annoying it is to purify.  Well, Skarmory exists too...in the final dungeon long after this stretch of GROUND TYPE SPAM is over, thus losing his point entirely.

Other things that were annoying?  Well, see Ampharos? He comes with the following moves:
THundershock
Thunderbolt
Thunder Wave
Cotton Spore

Or IOWs, 2 Electric attacks, a paralysis move, and a speed lowering move.  Can we say redundancy?  He's also 100% useless if the enemy is a ground type and struggles to be useful (barring Paralysis) if the enemy is a Grass or Electric type.
Solution? THERE IS NONE.  I used him only cause Raikou had Thunder, which was worse than T-bolt for a number of reasons (despite Suicune having Rain Dance.)  Might be regretting this too since I bet Raikou had some sort of nonElectrical attack.  But anyway, the reason there is none is cause NORMALLY, there are TMs for this kind of stuff.  At very least, you could give Ampharos something like, say, Secret Power.  Not the greatest of abilities, but it lets him do SOMETHING against Ground types.  This game? Best you'll get is Hidden Power -_-
And guess what? My Ampharos decided it'd be cute to get HIDDEN POWER ELECTRIC!!!!  Uh, yeah, talk about complete uselessness.

I can't stress how bad the options are, especially since what you have to go through to get them.  Using the legendaries and your two starters (Espeon and Umbreon) felt like a must due to this.  The game revolves around Gen 2 Pokemon, with an occasional Gen 3er tossed in.  I'm aware this was the game's way of getting Gen 2 Pokemon into Gen 3 before they came up with the idea of doing the FRLG aftergame, but geez, don't OVERKILL US with Gen 2ers; at least throw in some Gen 1s or Gen 3s to balance it out.  No, a Makuhita and Vibrava don't qualify as enough, nor does a level 14 Plusle or whatever when you start off with mid level 20 Pokemon out of the box.

Anyway, Pokemon game that took me the longest to get through.  It was genuinely boring.  Something I never say about Pokemon games.  It shows how you can take the core Pokemon system and fuck it up.  Lets recap one more time!
-Crappy Pokemon options
-Add an extra stupid aspect to using said Pokemon
-Make enemies retarded and monotone.
-Remove decent TMs
-Force all fights to be double fights
-Add in a girl who follows you everywhere that can ACTUALLY GET IN YOUR WAY WHEN YOU TRY TO TURN AROUND IN A NARROW PASSAGE (ARGH! Why couldn't they just make her phasable like any other party member who follows you in other RPGs.)
-Make you unable to level up any new Pokemon until over halfway through the game.  Yes, you read that right; you can't purify til halfway through the game.

So...lets compare it to XD, its successor.
Pokemon XD gives you Eevee from the start.  Ok, yeah, that's worse than Umbreon and Espeon...except after a few fights, you're given the option to turn said Eevee into whatever you want (STARTER FLAREON *YES*!)  You are also in plot given a Teddiursa early...one that knows Return.  STAB Return on what eventually becomes massive attack is a nice thing to start with!
Yeah, your options in XD kind of suck at first...but then again, its early game.  However, purification is so much faster, and you can pretty much do it like half an hour into the game instead of over half way in.
Your options get a lot better once you do your first real dungeon; right out of the box, you get Houndour, Seedot (!!!!), Numel, Spheal, Gulpin and something else...could be mistaking a few of these options, but I know Houndour and Spheal are among them, two normally late game Pokemon with interesting typings.  The options keep coming too!  If you keep up on catching things, you'll have plenty of things to choose from.
TMs were limited, but offset by skillsets being generally good.  For example, Dewgong in XD nets you Ice Beam and Surf out of the box.  Starmie is even sillier having ICe Beam, Thunderbolt and Waterfall (Waterfall debatable better here given the 2 on 2 fights.)  Then there's Elekid who comes with Cross Chop and all 3 Punches...yeah, you don't get any of these kind of sets in Colosseum.

Purification Chamber...I don't need to explain why this was a massive improvement.

I could go on.  XD really did a great job of killing off most of Colosseum's flaws and making a decent game out of it.  Colosseum was just half assed BS and boring.  First Pokemon game I'm giving a below average score to as such!

Mega Man Wily Wars: Beat MM3!
I'll make this rant brief.

Magnet Missile *SUCKS ASS*  What the fuck did they do to it? Originally, it was a nice solid weapon.  Now? Its about half speed, has an actual turn time making it even slower, and TREATS PROJECTILES AS TARGETS, so it doesn't even home in properly.  To give you an idea, I almost lost to Magnet Man himself using Magnet Missile (normally, MM3 Robot Masters are completely massacred in Mirror Matches with their own weapons, Top Man aside.)

Gemini Laser is unusable unless fired at point blank.  why? Cause the weapon for some unknown reason causes massive lag on each shot.

UNRESPONSIVE SLIDING.  I don't need to explain why this fails.

Mega Man jumps out of the Rush Marine when it surfaces now! This makes Gemini Man's stage more annoying than it needs to be.

Not to mention Rush Marine can only fire ONE SHOT AT A TIME.  I really don't know what the fuck they were thinking with this.  Apparently, being able to shoot the buster at the normal rate is too broken for an object needed to get past a specific part of Gemini Man Redux's stage.

Yellow Devil can be hit with 2 Hard Knuckles per Pass...easily.  I don't think this was realistically possible in the original because the rate Hard Knuckle would be fired was too slow to keep up with the eye.  Now, the Eye is out longer, the shots are slower, and Hard Knuckle's fundamentally the same.

The bounce part of Yellow devil is trivial to deal with now.  I literally just walked over and under the first bouncing block, and the rest just kind of bounced over.  I remember in the Nintendo version, doing that would kick your ass since they didn't have the same bounce trajectory.

Shadow Blade *GOT BETTER*.  It now has the same awesome piercing capabilities as Metal Blade! No, this doesn't make it anywhere near as good as Metal Blade, since its still weaker, fire rate of 1 at a time, less range, and can't be aimed down.  One thing it does do is make those STUPID BEES hilariously easy to deal with, since one Shadow Blade kills them all often.

...yeah, otherwise, all the same nonsense that applied to MM1 and MM2 applies to MM3.  Again, half assed remake hidden behind pretty 16 bit graphics.  Not gonna cut it I'm afraid!

Supposedly, Wily Tower is awesome, and I'll be trying that soon!  Unsure what weapons I'll use besides a few obvious ones (Metal Blade, Thunder Beam, Fire Storm, Hard Knuckle for Demolition, Rush Jet, etc.)
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2557 on: July 15, 2008, 07:22:42 AM »
DMC4: Okay, Dante is ridiculous. Not only does the game instantly turn into DMC3 style-wise when he takes over (and that's a good thing!), Rebellion is its old self on steroids, Gilgamesh and Lucifer have some great utility (sadly, neither rises to the level of all-around usefulness that DMC3 weapons did, but they're still options), and Yamato is a style, not an equipped weapon, which means you can have it and another melee weapon readied at the same time. Yes. Plus Pandora (a combination Gatling gun, missile launcher, bigger missile launcher, laser cannon, absurdly huge missile launcher, and tactical nuclear weapon) is just sick.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2558 on: July 15, 2008, 09:39:24 AM »
You know, I'd like to get DMC4, but I need Soul Calibur just... that little bit more. Anyway... Suikoden III!

I'm having this problem at the end of Chapter 4 deciding who my healer is going to be. It's just been so long, and I have Sasarai do that bitchwork job at the end of the game anyway. Maybe Viki, but I'm gun-shy after a heal failed and everyone died. That sucked. Right now it's her and Sergeant Joe, the Champion of Justice.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2559 on: July 15, 2008, 11:24:43 PM »
BvS:  Demonic Village kind of exploded, and not in the good Wasteland-related way.  So I left.  It takes a couple of days before I can join another village, so in the meantime I'm a sexy rogue ninja, with a neat Akatsuki (sp.) style headband.

Onimusha:  Got the Great Bow and Arrow.  Playing as Kaede sucks massively.  Very low on healing herbs/medicines.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2560 on: July 15, 2008, 11:43:44 PM »
You know how to instant kill enemies with Kaede, right?

Megaman 3-Buster-only run. Ouch.

Robot Masters: Needle>Gemini>Shadow>Hard>Spark>Snake>Magnet>Top

Top takes two bars of damage, only has moves that are easy to dodge, and doesn't even do much damage if you do get hit. Next.

Magnet is a little higher because he's a bit faster and can be more annoying if he squats constantly.

Snake takes less damage. That's about it.

Spark hops around lots and can corner you. That's about it.

Hard took me a few tries. I can't dodge his Hard Knuckles at all and he doesn't take much damage so I ended up losing a war of attrition.

Shadow is fast, does lots of damage, but is also more or less predictable in what he'll do so I took him out my first try.

Gemini is also fast, but can be tricked into doing what you want. Still not easy by any means.

Oddly enough, even though I regularly buster Needle Man first to get Rush Jet right away on vanilla playthroughs, he gave me the most trouble this time. I just couldn't get the timing on his high-jumping right. Go figure.

Doc Robots: Wood=Quick>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flash>Crash>Bubble>Heat>Air>Metal

Metal is just as easy in MM2. So's Airman.

Heat's a bit tougher, if only because he's quicker on the draw with Atomic Fire. Still not much of a threat.

Bubble is also more or less unchanged from MM2.

Crash actually is easier in MM3, or so I thought, since I managed to get a pretty good pattern down to whittle away his lifebar. Still not easy by any means.

Flash is much harder than MM2 to buster. Luckily I found a decent pattern after a few tries and he went down afterwards.

Wood Man and Quick Man.....easily the hardest buster-only fights in the game, possibly in the entire series. Both are very hard for different reasons, Wood Man because his projectiles do lots of damage and are so hard to dodge, Quick Man because his collision damage is insane and he's so fast it's sometimes hard to avoid. Wood Man ended up taking 3 fucking E-tanks to go down, and that's with dodging most of the Leaf Shields. Quick man took 2, if only because I only had 2. Best strategy I came up with him was to just let the boomerangs hit me so I don't get ran into and hope I can shoot him enough to bring him down in time.

In short, fuck you Wood Man and Quick Man Doc Robots.

Wily bosses(that I could use the P shooter for): Wily 1>Yellow Devil>Turtle Machine Thingy>Megaman Clones

Megaman Clones are way easy, assuming you can find the real one quickly enough. I did.

Turtle Machine Thingy isn't much harder. By the time the turtle-bots get fast enough to be threatening, it's almost dead.

Yellow Devil is nowhere near as tough as MM1. The only real problem is that I have trouble dodging him when he bounces across the room. Not enough to make much of a difference.

Wily 1 is mostly just a question of whether or not you can shoot fast enough to take out the gun before he gets too close to your side of the stage. After that a quick hop on Rush Jet ends things painlessly.

Stage music: Spark>Magnet>Needle>Top>Shadow>Snake>Hard>Gemini

MM3 also has the best overall music of any of the NES games, in my opinion.

I'm not going to buster-only MM4, 5, or 6, because both buster-onlying MM5 is way easy and I don't like them very much.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2561 on: July 16, 2008, 01:30:16 AM »
Speaking of MM_3 challenges... beat MMX3 with no upgrades, and so on. Notes, since this was only my third playthrough so I was still adjusting. Bosses in rough order of difficulty until the last batch.

Blast Hornet - The hardest maverick, in fact the only one to give me a game over. Just have to get used to the ways he moves, since he can fuck you up pretty badly. Impacting him is bad, getting those bees tracked onto you is bad.

Gravity Beetle - 2HKOs, kills you horribly if you screw up. Pretty easy to not screw up against once you get the pattern down, but it does vary a little so he's probably #2 anyway.

Crush Crawfish - Similar to Gravity Beetle only not -quite- as damaging. Used to think he was the best, but then realised you could get hit by his goop and not really suffer, so don't waste time dodging it.

Toxic Seahorse - Holy hell, is he... #4? Ick. Anyway, undamaging but not trivial to dodge; killed me a couple times in the boss rush when I wasn't careful.

Neon Tiger - Similar too Toxic Seahorse, but a bit easier. Defensiveness got on my nerves. His randomness when he jumps to the top corner threw me for a loop a few times, but easy enough.

Volt Catfish - Figuring out he only does the triple-electric spark when on the left means I can perfect him. Top left corner is 100% safe from the limit. (Screwed up once when I thought it was the corner behind him; no, it's always the left.) Undamaging anyway.

Tunnel Rhino - Fuck you MMX3, you have too many bosses who charge at you, and you beat them all the same way.  Walljumping over them. Tunnel Rhino sucks. At least when he fires the drill that splits into three THEN charges, the dodge is technical.

Blizzard Buffalo - See Rhino, with more fail.

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Bit - Dull and not really threatening.

Vile - Does Blizzard Buffalo cosplay, then gets a bit better but still dead easy. This remains true in the Sigma stages.

Byte - Kicked my ass repeatedly, then I FINALLY figured out the trick. Stay in the bottom corner until he actually charges, then quickly jump and dashjump to avoid his Blizzard Buffalo cosplay (oh for crying out loud, MMX3...). After that he was easy!

Bit / Byte - They OHKO if they grab you with the hand. Walljump over that. Dash under the 2HKOing sabre. Pretty tough at first but I perfected him by the end, Scythe Sigma style.

Dr. Doppler - Beat first try. Healing is neat, but he's just not threatening at all. Slow and the pattern for his projectiles is fixed and pretty easy.

Shield Sigma - Yay, finally mastered him! The flames are rough, but not as bad as I thought. Get on the wall, jump over four of them, dash under the sixth. Be in the far corner to make him use his worst jumping attack. Finding opportunities to hit him is tricky due to the shield, but fundamentally there are a lot. Once he starts throwing his shield, no real need for strategy change. When he starts doing it twice, I just hide in the top corner until it passes, then jump the fourth flame as usual. He's fast and easy to screw up on, so he... mm, is probably the hardest boss in the game? I might have had more resets on Byte, but Byte's easiness once you figure out the trick can't be ignored.

Kaiser Sigma - Dash under, up the wall, dodge the easy missiles, dash under, dodge easy and stupidly weak beam. Undurable too. Worst final boss in the series? Maybe I should play X5 next and find out. Pretty fun at least, as Sigma tends to be.  Only remotely interesting thing is to make note of is the random orb he shoots, but once realising they bounce once and leave even they're not worth much. The fact that the beam of fail destroys them is just insulting, since they do 8x the beam's damage. Yes, 8.

My opinion of MMX3 actually went up this playthrough, but it makes sense, because...

-MMX3 weapons suck. But that doesn't matter here!
-MMX3 buster upgrade is infinite fail. But that doesn't matter here!
-MMX3 is too easy. Here, it's not! Though still the easier than the other two I beat this way.

The fact that the game interested me this playthrough means it might be better than MM6 after all, but I'm not 100% sure? MM6 does have the more interesting weapons. Both > MM7.

May try MMX2 but seeing as I can't beat Sigma as is without either a sub-tank or armour, even if I'm hitting his weakness, I'm not too hopeful. Needing 64 shots to kill the last form = arghlwhat. Think Zero is 31 himself.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2562 on: July 16, 2008, 03:47:48 PM »
FFTLW- Lab over, so I'm playing this a bit. I'm building up characters for the multiplayer mode (Meeple/whoever brings a PSP, I definitely want to try those two player battles). I just got to horror. Balthier/Orlandu/Agrias are my main three PC's at the moment- Balthier is in his Sky Pirate class with item backup and the MP switch/move MP up combo, also has attack up. Orlandu is a Holy Swordsman with item/attack up, Agrias is leveling through geomancer. Trying to get her to Dark Knight. I have Knight and Wizard mastered. Just.. augh to getting Lancer/Ninja/Samurai up to L8.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2563 on: July 16, 2008, 03:54:30 PM »
I actually found Lyn to be a lot... less useful than Hector. Mostly because swordusers that are decent are a dime a dozen in FE7, whereas DORCAS and DART and ...that guy with a 'stache in FE6! are the options besides Hector for axe users before promotion.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2564 on: July 16, 2008, 04:17:38 PM »
You are forgetting the name of the mighty BARTRE???

FFT:LW - So yeah I have been playing this.  My group won't be ready for real 2 player just yet though by the con.  Unlocked everything but Mime on all five characters.  Working on getting everyone master Calculator now.  Not because I will use it but because they are fucking beyond horrible to grind out JP on solo (GOGO 4 TURNED BY BARD SONG!).  Honestly even with minor slow down barding has been the best JP for them and at least one using +1 Speed song the entire fight gets him steady JP flow and makes everyone else waste less time with the single enemy waiting making them tolerable to grind out at least.  Almost done with it.  Only a bit over 1k JP to go on the last female I think.

Once again, Mandalia Plains won't know what hit it.  It is just a real shame I won't be able to use my teleporting Draw-out BM on it.  Stupid no Katanas until Chapter 2.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2565 on: July 16, 2008, 04:35:28 PM »
Once again, Mandalia Plains won't know what hit it.  It is just a real shame I won't be able to use my teleporting Draw-out BM on it.  Stupid no Katanas until Chapter 2.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2566 on: July 16, 2008, 04:43:07 PM »
I actually found Lyn to be a lot... less useful than Hector. Mostly because swordusers that are decent are a dime a dozen in FE7, whereas DORCAS and DART and ...that guy with a 'stache in FE6! are the options besides Hector for axe users before promotion.

I don't really find that argument holds water. I mean, say Hector was, for sake of argument, just a Bartre clone who started with 2 more speed or something. This would mean he was still the best axe user in the game, but now he is easily far worse than Lyn, Guy, Raven, probably even Eliwood. Just because other people using your weapon suck... well, it makes you a little better (you have less competition for the Brave Axe, etc.), but I don't really consider it a dealbreaker.

See also FE6 and FE8, where Rutger/Fir/Dieck/Roy and Colm/Eirika/Joshua/Gerik are in fact better than every single axe user pretty clearly on average.

That said Lyn and Hector are clearly both in that range where the RNG will decide who is better for any given person.

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« Reply #2567 on: July 16, 2008, 04:51:14 PM »
Except I don't really feel like Lyn has a huge advantage over Hector, period. It's not a "dealbreaker" but with two characters who I consider to have fairly close to the same value, and one uses a weapon that is used by only shitty people, and the other is used by someone who has a few people that you use over her, I would pick the person with the unique weapon.

I find Hector to be better than Lyn ANYWAY but maybe I've just gotten lucky with Hector. He certainly smashed worlds in both of the playthroughs I've had.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2568 on: July 16, 2008, 04:53:04 PM »
The fight against someone else option gives JP and I have access to 2 hacked PSPs.

And yeah I would say that ultimately it is more Hector just standing out more than Lyn.  RNG will decide which is better on a game per game basis, but Lyn is fairly replacable if you get bad luck.  Hector eh without him I would probably just not use axes until Raven got Hero, which is a shame, because even with the blahness of most axes, Handaxes and stuff are a nice option.
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« Reply #2569 on: July 16, 2008, 04:55:57 PM »
*nods* You are an insane powerleveller but whatever.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2570 on: July 16, 2008, 05:14:31 PM »
You are forgetting the name of the mighty BARTRE???

FFT:LW - So yeah I have been playing this.  My group won't be ready for real 2 player just yet though by the con.  Unlocked everything but Mime on all five characters.  Working on getting everyone master Calculator now.  Not because I will use it but because they are fucking beyond horrible to grind out JP on solo (GOGO 4 TURNED BY BARD SONG!).  Honestly even with minor slow down barding has been the best JP for them and at least one using +1 Speed song the entire fight gets him steady JP flow and makes everyone else waste less time with the single enemy waiting making them tolerable to grind out at least.  Almost done with it.  Only a bit over 1k JP to go on the last female I think.

Once again, Mandalia Plains won't know what hit it.  It is just a real shame I won't be able to use my teleporting Draw-out BM on it.  Stupid no Katanas until Chapter 2.

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« Reply #2571 on: July 16, 2008, 08:13:04 PM »
You are confusing me with someone that actually likes playing FFT enough to care.
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« Reply #2572 on: July 16, 2008, 09:16:44 PM »
I didn't ask for you to be emo, I asked for a file to be prepared.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #2573 on: July 16, 2008, 11:56:56 PM »
Offensively, Hector is dependent on the RNG being nice on his speed and Lyn is dependent on the RNG being nice on her strength.  HOWEVER, if you don't care about funds you can compensate for strength with stronger weapons as well as the usual stat boosters, whereas Hector has no recourse but Speedwings.  If you do care about funds then Mani Katti is priceless as you can use it for free which makes Lyn quite valuable, whereas Rapier and Wolf Beil are both a bit on the pricy side.

Defensively, Hector is better early when concrete defense can null or nearly null most attacks while Lyn is better late due to evade being built up while enemy weapons are too strong for even a 30 def character to null out.  Hector also risks getting doubled by a few really fast lategame bosses like Morph Lloyd and has to keep a wide berth from enemy Bolting mages.

Lastly, Hector suffers from late promotion on his own mode ala Eliwood in Eliwood mode, although you may or may not hold that against him.  Lyn's the only lord who's guaranteed to be able to promote reasonably on every single game.  You may or may not hold this against him.  I've also heard he's a complete liability lategame in HHM (lots of enemy mages+higher enemy speed+late promotion), but I haven't played that yet myself.

It's a 0.5 point difference in overall effectiveness for me between the two of them, but then I seem to have a higher respect for Hector than the likes of Elfboy and Snow.  Probably more conservative playstyle, I take risks less often so I rely more on concrete defense than dodge.

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« Reply #2574 on: July 17, 2008, 01:12:47 AM »
DMC4: Aaaaaaand beaten. 19th level is pretty good and the last boss is a joke, in the grand DMC tradition. I did fail the credits challenge, though. Tried Bloody Palace, got my butt kicked by Berial, whose post-stun fireburst is on crack for this mode. Overall a fun game that really needed to be closer to DMC3 in terms of difficulty, especially boss difficulty. More weapon options for Nero wouldn't go amiss, either. Also, as an aside, yay for the PC version, because replacing music tracks, especially the generic growl-rock battle theme, is extremely welcome. (I shoved in the Guilty Gear 2 version of Holy Orders, and the game was substantially improved by it.)
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