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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4075 on: October 21, 2008, 11:44:55 PM »
P3 - Rant time! As some of the people in chat probably noticed, I enjoyed this game fairly well and thoroughly, and I think it'd be nice to elaborate - especially after I bludgeoned DDS with a 2x4 as badly as I did before. So, let's begin.

First, the fundamentals. They're a conceptual trainwreck. 3/4s of your party under AI control? Main dies = game over? That on top of SMT design basics? That just sounds like a recipe to disaster and frustration, and I was very wary of it when I got into the game. Making this tolerable at all would require insanely tight overall balance throughout the game, and, after DDS, the idea that the game would achieve that level of internal intelligence was but a pipe dream to me.

Yet, the game does it. In spite of having only one controllable party member, your control over the flow of battle is great. You can view the order of the people attacking in battle before making any decisions, and they rebalanced the weakness system to permit a more elegant flow. First, not getting extra turns if MT doesn't hit weakness on the entirety of the group targetted may seem not nice, but it helps a lot for that balance (makes your side MTing things mindlessly not be the one true way to victory, for an example, and reduces the possibilities of MT hax on the enemy side something fierce), and not stealing your turns when you hit immunities is what they should've done to begin with. Then, the AI is rather good, if not perfect, but it doesn't hamper you as long as you remember to switch AI settings now and then for a few niches. Then, there's the fact that you have full control over initiative. You have no idea how important this is, and how this alone deepens the options you can pull to win. Being able to get a free turn on your enemies suddenly makes those somewhat inaccurate MT status spells a highly viable option, for an example, and gives you more leeway to handle enemies. Then, there's the fact that the game feels genuinely challenging. I find that they hax less and are just outright generally competent, and the Tartarus boss fights are all pretty challenging and fun. Most of them having status spoilability and a few alternate tricks to deal with doesn't hurt, either. Then, there's the fact they mixed weaknesses really well: you find uses for all elements. And you have an astounding degree of flexibility on your own skillset, alongside having the Compendium to keep all your Personas safely available for future use. While DDS spat in your face by trying to play the game in an intelligent manner, P3 rewards you for doing so. This doesn't mean the annoying hax doesn't make its presence (it's still a problem in the early game, and I dislike that sort of difficulty balance. But then, the game is actually not too bad about it, the game doesn't turn into a joke ever unless you grind pointlessly), and I penalize the game for it. However... it's dealt with so much more elegantly. Also, risks of IDing the main = game over? Well, the game lets you buy rather affordable off the bat items that save you from an ID effect that connects on Minato the minute the ID randoms start showing up. And the rate of ID really fails and enemies seem rigged against targetting the main in general. It's not entirely mitigated, of course, and it's still dumb conceptually. In the end, it's just never fully justifiable, but they made an stupid as hell design idea... sane. Somehow. I can't congratulate them for it, but at least shows they knew what they were getting into and manage to not fail it up.  

On the other hand, the dungeoncrawling outside of battles is boring. Tartarus is designed mercifully, but the very fact it's a randomly generated dungeon makes it... not easy to tinker with without being same-old. Point against. Then, there's the equipment/status screen management, which is a convoluted mess. Something as basic as checking your friends' stats can't be done with a single menu access, which is sorta dumb in a fundamental sense. Equipping/buying stuff is also sorta awkward when you're doing it for your companions. Another point against.

But then, there's the whole building of S. Links and screwing around in town. It's really fun to build those Links, and a few of them are downright bizarre. They're pretty decent to flesh out the NPCs surrounding you, and some of them are downright joyous. *Insert Hermit S. Link hype here.* Just a fun thing to play with, and they have a wonderful effect on your battle strength.

And, since we're talking about writing-related stuff, the writing? Is pretty solid. The plot itself is a trainwreck that involves Scary-Go-Round shenanigans, last-minute DEADLY CULT OF ZIO insanity, a Way To Go Serge and a nice I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT IF IT WASN'T FOR THOSE MEDDLING KIDS AND THAT DOG somewhere in the middle. However, cast interactions and personality building/flow is surprisingly tight. Yukari and Junpei are the strongest links, due to their archetypes being the closest to earth in the setting (Junpei is downright relatable, while Yukari is pretty much what your typical schoolgirl would be if she wasn't a moron. Sure, she's a bitch, but she not only has her reasons as she looks pretty consistent when she does it. You'd expect the first girl to be a Sophia type, but no, she's actually got a bite to match the bark). And, in general, the way the game sorta plays around with the heroic tropes clashing right into your typical student life is amusing. You get a big friendship talk out of nowhere! And instead of getting it extended, the rest of the party just goes "um, okay?" and moves on, for an example. It actually captures the general mindset of high school and the overall atmosphere (okay, this is also helped by the aesthetics), which you may not find awesome, but it's at least obviously a success, considering they aimed for it. Granted, when it comes to the actual conflict, things fall apart: Strega FAILS AT LIFE, and the plot twists are a headdesky thing, as I pointed above. Then, there's the strong feeling of wish fulfillment coming from the setup, which sometimes makes me uneasy (not helped by Minato being a silent main with Serph syndrome). But there is better filling there making up for it.

Then, there's the atmosphere/sense of style. While P3 isn't a pretty game, it captures the state-of-art postmodern city and highschool feel brilliantly. The soundtrack may suck outside of the game, but it's one of the big factors to make it work. The city has a lot of personality, and it's generally hilariously designed (what the fuck, a police station inside a mall!?). But it's all good fun, the game is surprisingly dispretentious at what it does.

In the end, I feel like it was a worthwhile experience, but bogged down by shoddy fundamentals. It was very fun, pretty creative and rather unique, but it probably could have been much better without the dumb design decisions the developers knew that were dumb. That they managed to get around so much of it is very impressive, and a testament to the fact that they're skilled at the game design thing. But I still can't get over the fact that they hamper their potential really badly that way. 7/10.

EDIT: Oh, what I'm playing currently.

MMXCM - MEGA MAN PLOT
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4076 on: October 22, 2008, 02:45:13 AM »
Somehow I entirely avoided ever even hearing that a new Metroidvania game was in the works.  Plenty about the horrific CV fighter, but nothing about this Order of Ecclesia thing till I found my brother playing it today.

So, I'm going to be sparse for a while until I finish fiending on this.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4077 on: October 22, 2008, 03:11:43 AM »
Wait, I knew it was in the works, but it's out? Damn. That was stealthy.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4078 on: October 22, 2008, 03:21:03 AM »
And it's pretty damn good, too.


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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4079 on: October 22, 2008, 05:39:50 AM »
MMXCM - Just beat C3! Man, Silver Horn is silly. Took a while to take down, and had so much gravity-typed damage. Fun battle anyhow, stole both his items and got a 75% XP bonus due to connecting a Final Strike. Life is good.

Plot is hilariously epic, and the writing is even moreso. The interaction is a constant case of people talking to themselves in a way that makes them loosely try to not look like it, but it just succeeds at making the entire cast seem autistic. Then, there's the thick layer of cheese being laid onto the thing's foundation. I stopped trying to stifle my laughter by the scene where X bitches Spider because THIS ID CARD HAS AILEMEENA'S SOUL. Good times.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4080 on: October 22, 2008, 05:43:10 AM »
Also!

Guitar Hero 3: I somehow don't totally suck. The only song I've failed so far is the Slash battle, due to Death Drain nonsense, and I've five-starred a few Normal songs on first sight. I'm definitely going to have to get my hands on the first two, this is good fun.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4081 on: October 22, 2008, 05:44:06 AM »
Is Guitar Hero worth bothering if you're not willing to shell out the cash for the guitar?
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4082 on: October 22, 2008, 05:49:23 AM »
The guitar is everything. If you don't use the guitar you should be punched in the throat.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4083 on: October 22, 2008, 05:50:36 AM »
I haven't the slightest idea, I haven't tried playing it without one. Gut instinct is "no," though - that control scheme on a controller has got to be awkward - and honestly even with the guitar it's not so awesome that I'd go back and buy the game/guitar pack at the full price of $90 US after trying it out. If you can find it cheap, though, go for it.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4084 on: October 22, 2008, 05:51:03 AM »
No, the controller pretty much makes the game.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4085 on: October 22, 2008, 05:54:33 AM »
Eh, then not going to bother. I can get the game for ten bucks, just uh the guitar goes for 150 over here at best.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4086 on: October 22, 2008, 01:16:24 PM »
Is Guitar Hero worth bothering if you're not willing to shell out the cash for the guitar?

Not if you're going for the higher levels. I play without the guitar on easy and normal with no problem *gets punched in the throat*, but once they get that fifth string in, it's just too awkward.

Puzzle Quest: Downloaded the expansion. Starting the missions in the ghoul city thing.

Duke Nukem 3D: Middle of Chapter 3. As good as I remember, and a lot easier to get multiplayer Dukematches up. Still need to figure out how to start my own ranked matches and choose the map.

Mega Man ZX, Professor Layton: Games that I had a save near the end but hadn't beaten them. Beat them. Woo.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4087 on: October 22, 2008, 01:25:11 PM »
Sure you can play Guitar hero without the guitar, kind of defeats the purpose though, it is like playing DDR without a DDR mat, you may as well just play BoF 3/4 and use Supercombo as your only attack because at least you get something fun to go with the exact same gameplay.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4088 on: October 22, 2008, 02:26:32 PM »
Uh yeah, what everybody else said.  It's pointless without the guitar.

Also!

Guitar Hero 3: I somehow don't totally suck. The only song I've failed so far is the Slash battle, due to Death Drain nonsense, and I've five-starred a few Normal songs on first sight. I'm definitely going to have to get my hands on the first two, this is good fun.

I'm not sure how much it counts on lower difficulties but don't expect the first two to play the same way; the first one is easy but has worse controls, the second is about the same difficulty as 3 but in a different way.  Riffs are much simpler but because the controls are less forgiving they end up being just as difficult in parts.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4089 on: October 22, 2008, 02:34:42 PM »
WA:XF- Opened up the new set of classes and played around a bit. Changed my Secutor/Grappler to a Nightstalker and ahahahahahaha. 2-400 damage with Six Shooter with Secutor EQ, plus the ability to throw stuff into my mage field. He also goes every oh, 2-3 turns due to his high RFX and Accelerate. Clarissa, Labby, *Spoiler*, and 3 generics are my party right now.

TotA- Started up last week. Haven't played much since I'm also trying out the PS3 games I bought. Just escaped from the God Generals and met back up with Guy. I liked the 2D Tales games much better. Free Run doesn't solve things as well as it should. Anise is creepy.

Armored Core 4- Started up a file. Continues to use AC3's control scheme, which is totally uncomfortable, even after trying to customize it. AC2 and AC2:AA had great control schemes... they just tried to do too much with it. The gamepad isn't a damn keyboard! The game looks and plays well though. I like the awesome things they did with the booster. You can use it much longer than previous. The menus are a lot less intuitive though, which is a huge minus for an AC game. Still, only about an hour and a half in. Maybe it'll get better.

Wipeout HD- Looks so good I wept at first seeing it. Makes me wish I sprung for the 1080p TV. It really, really does. It's awkward to play on a console after playing it on the PSP for so long, but I'm getting used to it again. Zone events are gorgeous.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4090 on: October 23, 2008, 04:01:58 AM »
Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon - Up to chapter 7.  Playing a remake of the original FE makes it clear just how much the later games like to recycle wholesale from previous chapters.  In Chapter 3 alone we find that FE4's scenario of a thief and a cleric running away from the enemies was ripped straight from Julian and Rena; that FE6's Rutger is a shameless expy of Navarre, down to the looks, the personality, the Killing Edge, and the rivalry with OgumaDieck; and the chapter itself was lifted directly to make Chapter 5 in FE6. 

The one thing FE6 didn't carry over though, was the insanely scary boss with 13 speed and a hand axe.  Based on average stats he'll double everyone except Oguma, Navarre, and Julian, and Julian does a mere 2 damage per hit.  The one reprieve you get is an in-battle save point right before the boss, letting you take some risks on the fight.  Still an ugly fight, that required some round robin attacking and healing.

C3 boss aside, this has been a pretty easy game on Normal.  The only real challenge is recruiting all the random scrubs from the enemy side before they suicide against you by accident; I lost Marchis that way and frankly didn't care enough to restart.

One thing I've noticed is that all the bosses standing on gates or thrones can be attacked from 3 sides in this game, instead of from the front only like I'm used to.  This was pretty much necessary to make the C3 boss sane, but it makes the others jokes since you could easily take them out with one character anyways.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4091 on: October 23, 2008, 10:28:13 PM »
WoW-

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4092 on: October 23, 2008, 11:35:43 PM »
Yeah it really is.  I like how it is once again them refining something cool that has happened previously and making it part of the actual gameplay instead of a bug.  So awesome.

I wonder if they have anyone studying it this time like they did last time with the Hakkar epidemic.
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4093 on: October 24, 2008, 03:53:53 AM »
Well, if they don't officially have anyone studying it, the CDC has people watching. They wanted to get information on the Hakkar thing, but of course Blizzard didn't really have in-depth information on hand at the time.

It's also a fun writing prompt. I penned "Andersong's zombie apocalypse diary with unicorn sticker" while I was having lunch today on a forum.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4094 on: October 24, 2008, 04:19:51 AM »
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4095 on: October 24, 2008, 04:24:53 AM »
Care to share with those of us who don't play?
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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4096 on: October 24, 2008, 05:35:47 AM »
Zombie rush kekeke

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4097 on: October 24, 2008, 05:51:27 AM »
Care to share with those of us who don't play?

Seconded. I don't want to have to hunt through WoW forums to find out anytime something interesting or relevent happens on WoW.

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PW3: Generic Godot hate goes here. I really hope he becomes more interesting now that I've picked this up again. Apart from that, it's generally awesome PW dialogue goodness.

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Re: What Games Are You Playing: 2008
« Reply #4098 on: October 24, 2008, 05:54:47 AM »
Basically, you can get infected, turn into a zombie, then attack and infect NPCs and other players, who will then also turn into zombies unless they walk close enough to a special healer NPC within 10 minutes.  So, zombie hordes.

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« Reply #4099 on: October 24, 2008, 05:55:40 AM »
That's pretty awesome.
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