Season 42-2: Icy overkill within

[Pyro]

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC)
Deathevans (BoF2) vs. Miguel (CC)
Dhoulmagus (DQ8) vs. Rika (PS4)
Lulu (FFX) vs. Ryu (BoF4)

Heavy

Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Selan (Lufia 2)
Sasarai (S3) vs. Neclord (Suikos)
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Tosh (AtLC)
Boomerang (WA1) vs. Sync (TotA)

Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3)
Roland (DDS) vs. Nei (PS2)
Konrad (S4) vs. Paine (FFX-2)

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Alfred Schoredinger (WA3)
Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2)
Jayle (VP1) vs. Gong (SF1)
Rody (S3) vs. Dinn (S5)

[superaielman]

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC)- No focusing.
Deathevans (BoF2)* vs. Miguel (CC)- Can't buff. Who cares, it's Deathevans.
Dhoulmagus (DQ8)* vs. Rika (PS4)- No idea.
Lulu (FFX)* vs. 2-Ryu (BoF4)- Ew.

Heavy

Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Selan (Lufia 2)- Don't think Arc has enough MP to keep the pressure on, he needs a double in a hurry and to avoid any of Selan's nastiness with IPs (I'll let him block one but not more than one status with a cureall) and he can't OHKO.
Sasarai (S3) vs. Neclord (Suikos)- Sas sucks against bosses.
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Tosh (AtLC)- I think the last thing I did in pokemon was get Articuno. Tosh no likely ice mages.
Boomerang (WA1) vs. Sync (TotA)- Isn't Boomerang.

Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7)- Haha, fail. Poor Cid gets walled, literally.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3)- BUT BUT FREEZE? No.
Roland (DDS) vs. Nei (PS2)- For the Stragos. If you're expecting serious debate and thought abou this fail-off, you're crazier than PS2 fan.s
Konrad (S4) vs. Paine (FFX-2)- I think?

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Alfred Schoredinger (WA3)
Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2)- My respect for the WA3 light do is pretty infinite.
Jayle (VP1) vs. Gong (SF1)- Eternal Raid sorta sucks at putting pressure on most healers. Gong isn't most healers.
Rody (S3) vs. 2-Dinn (S5)- Decent vs Rody.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC) - I'll actually have to think about this one. Seymour has the damage edge, EBO Althena has some durability and speed, need to figure which trumps which.
Deathevans (BoF2) vs. Miguel (CC) - Evans~ is really helpless against even Heavy-level boss slugging, let alone Godlike-level.
Lulu (FFX) vs. Ryu (BoF4) - Kneejerk is to say Kaiser Breath crushes puny Lulu HP and that's that.

Heavy

Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Selan (Lufia 2) - I hate this match.
Sasarai (S3) vs. Neclord (Suikos) - EDIT: I didn't account for Neclord's Earth resist! As such, yeah, I'll actually have to think about it.
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Tosh (AtLC) - Goes first and makes Tosh die.

Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7) - This is ugly.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3) - This is ugly, too.

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Alfred Schroedinger (WA3) - ;_;
Shady Thousand(WA3) vs. Ard (WA2) - Both should 3HKO. Shady is a lot faster.
Jayle (VP1) vs. Gong (SF1) - Gong is the type of dueller who loses to Shiho.

[Monkeyfinger]

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC): In a mage duel, FA is faster, tougher, and about as strong.
Deathevans (BoF2) vs. Miguel (CC)
Dhoulmagus (DQ8) vs. Rika (PS4): Ice wave + sleep spam probably owns her. Eventually he'll get a turn against a sleeping, unbuffed Rika, then focused debris = GG.
Lulu (FFX) vs. Ryu (BoF4): Ryu transforms into something, then Lulu takes a lot of offense away from him by eating into his HP with a doublecasted flare. (that just about OHKOs average and ignores his elemental resist buggery) Still... with doubleturns, he probably still wins since the only things those breaths hit are Lulu's appalling HP.

Heavy

Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Selan (Lufia 2): Weak enemy, hide behind invincible until a doubleturn, splatter. Apparently Selan's only status which could stop this from getting going is an IP.
Sasarai (S3) vs. Neclord (Suikos): Goes first, one rounds.
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Tosh (AtLC): RBY form goes first, OHKOs with Blizzard. It wasn't that innaccurate in RBY, and Tosh laways has shit MDef.
Boomerang (WA1) vs. Sync (TotA)

Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3)

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Alfred Schoredinger (WA3)
Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2): Thank the fuck christ I can't vote on this.
Jayle (VP1) vs. Gong (SF1)
Rody (S3) vs. 2-Dinn (S5)

[Dark Holy Elf]

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC): Fries. Same way I voted way back when, and my Seymour respect has gone down and my FA respect has gone up. Seymour's element shift (which I don't allow) reaches thunder last, so haha to that.
Deathevans (BoF2)* vs. Miguel (CC): Has damage. Probably 4HKOs? Evans doesn't even 3HKO average, let alone Mig.
Dhoulmagus (DQ8)* vs. Rika (PS4): Outstalls pretty easily. Dhoul lacks any real tricks for putting away PCs after Psy completely walls his Stun. Even if you don't let that happen, Dhoul probably doesn't even 3HKO (outside the Super Combo limit) so it's useless short of chaining two in a row, which is only 16% odds at best (and lets Rika kill much faster). Dhoulmagus wishes he wasn't owned by every other DQ8 boss on damage as usual.
Lulu (FFX)* vs. 2-Ryu (BoF4): I presume. ITD breaths should work their magic.

Heavy

Sasarai (S3) vs. Neclord (Suikos): Not sure. Neclord may either OHKO or just heal-lock and parade his earth resist? But Sas may be fast enough to heal and win on doubles.
Boomerang (WA1) vs. Sync (TotA): Yeah, no. Boomerang is not impressive.

Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7): Perfect evade owns Cid pretty badly.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3): Dupa's no Shiba! But he's still not good.
Konrad (S4) vs. Paine (FFX-2): 2HKOs solidly, and Paine can't stop this. Huh, she's more underwhelming than I thought.

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Alfred Schoredinger (WA3): Screw you, Zhuzhen.
Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2): YES. Shady 4HKOs average, Ard 3HKOs average. But Shady has way more durability (enough to close this gap by one hit) and goes first.
Jayle (VP1) vs. Gong (SF1)
Rody (S3) vs. 2-Dinn (S5): These two are obvious.

[Shale]

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC)
Probably. I allow the element shift, but don't let him pick and choose.
Dhoulmagus (DQ8)* vs. Rika (PS4)*
Unscaled Dhouly's not blitzing well enough even with status.
Lulu (FFX)* vs. 2-Ryu (BoF4)*
Lulu hates ITD/ITE combos something fierce.

Heavy

Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Selan (Lufia 2)
Arc needs a double to win? Splat, then.

Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7)
Perfect evasion, yeah.

Light

Jayle (VP1)* vs. Gong (SF1)
They're probably an even match for damage! That is incredibly sad, and means Gong's healing tips it.

[Monkeyfinger]

I allow the element shift, but don't let him pick and choose.

The order is completely fixed, so he's guaranteed to be able to reach thunder with unscaled HP, and stick with it.

EDIT: Why did I type this, there was nothing ever after that first response. I swear. nothing.

[Shale]

Doesn't he have to keep switching, though? I recall that being the only action his support could take.

[Dark Holy Elf]

He needs to switch three times to reach lightning. He also needs to pass through Water in which he is lightning weak.

If you hold bosses to in-game AI he also needs to be hit five times (I think?) between each shift.

Use your own judgement on Seymour's HP from there.

[Meeplelard]

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC): The opening Ray does so much damage that even if Seymour shifted to thunder after it, I'm not sure he'd win anyway.
Deathevans (BoF2) vs. Miguel (CC): Slug fest boss vs. not slug fest boss.
Dhoulmagus (DQ8) vs. Rika (PS4): Kneejerk.
Lulu (FFX) vs. Ryu (BoF4): Goes first, turns into Kaiser.  Now he's got high magic defense and 3x PCHP to absorb Flare, and should easily 3/2 split Lulu at that, should Kaiser Breath with the initial dual Flare cast not be enough.

Heavy

Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Selan (Lufia 2): Arc doesn't have the damage necessary to get through Selan.
Sasarai (S3) vs. Neclord (Suikos): Uhh...
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Tosh (AtLC): BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Boomerang (WA1) vs. Sync (TotA): Can't vote!

Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7): S1 form chips, then smites.  S2 Form uses Revenger Earth and just wins a defensive battle at worst (Cid's Limits don't ignore evade, for all that they'd ignore the counter.)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3): I just want to know one thing; HOW THE HELL IS DUPA IN MIDDLE?
Roland (DDS) vs. Nei (PS2): Kneejerk? My Nei respect isn't very high <_<
Konrad (S4) vs. Paine (FFX-2): I think Assault is enough to win this.

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Alfred Schoredinger (WA3): I have no words...
Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2): More durable (...), faster...yeah, should win.
Jayle (VP1) vs. Gong (SF1): I think? I dunno; they're both pretty horrible.
Rody (S3) vs. Dinn (S5): When in doubt, vote against the Runeless Mage?

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC)- False Althena
Deathevans (BoF2)* vs. Miguel (CC)- Miguel
Dhoulmagus (DQ8)* vs. Rika (PS4)*- Rika
Lulu (FFX)* vs. 2-Ryu (BoF4)*- Ryu 4, although if Lulu was able to win this somehow, I wouldn't be shocked.

Heavy

Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Selan (Lufia 2)- Very unsure. Selan can go forever, Arc can Weak Enemy her and slow her down a lot...Yeah, don't know.
Sasarai (S3)* vs. Neclord (Suikos)- Neclord's speed was never gotten. Neclord 2 loses despite Earth res as Sasarai's Mevade hits the ID down, and 160 damage a turn to average via physicals isn't going to outslug Sasarai. Form 1 has an argument.
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Tosh (AtLC)- Articuno
Boomerang (WA1) vs. Sync (TotA)- Sync

Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7)- Sheena
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3)- Alice.
Roland (DDS) vs. Nei (PS2)- Roland, I guess.
Konrad (S4) vs. Paine (FFX-2)- This match can go in Light.

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Alfred Schoredinger (WA3)- Zhuzhen
Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2)- Ard
Jayle (VP1)* vs. Gong (SF1)- Jayle

[Monkeyfinger]

nd 160 damage a turn to average via physicals isn't going to outslug Sasarai.

Don't you mean 320? That should handle Sas quite easily.

[Dhyerwolf]

Nope. A 280 powered against a front line of about 200 defense=160 damage a turn.

[BaconForTheSoul]

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC) - Ray does 470ish to average.  Seymour halves.  230 damage + 50 damage staff throw isn't killing.  (Yes I'm not allowing Ray spam the same way I don't allow Chaos Shield/BoltX spam.) Seymour isn't an HP God, but 280 LEBC damage doesn't kill Lucia even.  Meanwhile, depending on how bad her magic D is Seymour could OHKO with a quadracast although 2xPCHP might be a bit low for FA.  That said, he gets 2 turns and 4xPCHP splatters her easily.
Deathevans (BoF2) vs. Miguel (CC) - GO MIGUEL!
Lulu (FFX) vs. 2-Ryu (BoF4) Yeah, Kaiser can tank 2 flares.

Heavy
Sasarai (S3) vs. Neclord (Suikos)- OHKOs


Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7) - Dodges Limit
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3)- SUPA DUPA!  fail
Konrad (S4) vs. Paine (FFX-2)- Assault should win it, not enough care to math it out

Light
FAIL

[VySaika]

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC)
Deathevans (BoF2) vs. Miguel (CC)
Dhoulmagus (DQ8) vs. Rika (PS4)-See Monkey, I think.
Lulu (FFX) vs. 2-Ryu (BoF4)-Unsure.

Heavy

Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Selan (Lufia 2)-See Monkey again.
Sasarai (S3) vs. Neclord (Suikos)-Neclord had Earth Res? Don't think it matters though, Sas can heal->kill on a double. My Neclord respect is in the negatives.
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Tosh (AtLC)-I like Arti, and PKMN in general, so I can't be too upset about this. Still, GODDAMMIT.
Boomerang (WA1) vs. Sync (TotA)

Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7)-Heh, takes this with either form.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3)
Roland (DDS) vs. Nei (PS2)
Konrad (S4) vs. Paine (FFX-2)

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Alfred Schoredinger (WA3)
Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2)
Jayle (VP1) vs. Gong (SF1)-Jayle's damage is only THAT asstastic against flyers. Gong does not fly.
Rody (S3) vs. 2-Dinn (S5)

[Sierra]

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC): It's a close match, I'll give it to the person who lost last time.
Deathevans (BoF2) vs. Miguel (CC)
Dhoulmagus (DQ8) vs. Rika (PS4)
Lulu (FFX) vs. Ryu (BoF4)

Heavy

Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Selan (Lufia 2)
Sasarai (S3) vs. Neclord (Suikos): Not Neclord.
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Tosh (AtLC)
Boomerang (WA1) vs. Sync (TotA): Not Boomerang. This week's Heavy is kinda sad.

Middle

Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Cid Highwind (FF7): Poor Cid.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3): S3 lizards for Light.
Roland (DDS) vs. Nei (PS2): Blah. Need to check up on Roland.
Konrad (S4) vs. Paine (FFX-2)

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Alfred Schoredinger (WA3): Has healing. That's really all you need to beat Alfred.
Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2): Uh.
Jayle (VP1) vs. Gong (SF1): Not even Jayle is that bad. Freaking Badrach could probably even take Gong.
Rody (S3) vs. Dinn (S5): NOT RODY.

[Ultradude]

Boomerang (WA1) vs. Sync (TotA)

EPIC VOTING (I really need to finish SH1)

[Dark Holy Elf]

Ice wave + sleep spam probably owns her.

It's been a while, but I've seen Dhoulmagus1's AI documented in a LLG topic on the DQ8 board and I am 90+% sure Eyes Gleam could only be used as a lone attack, i.e. never doubled with anything.

Seeing as it is 50% accurate against Psy equips, it is as such completely useless here, even if it can indeed last longer than a turn (which I've never seen).

[Laggy]

Ice wave + sleep spam probably owns her.

It's been a while, but I've seen Dhoulmagus1's AI documented in a LLG topic on the DQ8 board and I am 90+% sure Eyes Gleam could only be used as a lone attack, i.e. never doubled with anything.

Seeing as it is 50% accurate against Psy equips, it is as such completely useless here, even if it can indeed last longer than a turn (which I've never seen).

Not having played DQ8 but having seen movies of it, I direct you to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTI5f3D4N9s

At 6:44 Dhoulmagus doubles with an attack and Eyes Gleam.

Psi stuff is another thing entirely (isn't it 100% and could arguably go through resistance? I'm not qualified to speak, but that's what the stat topic says.)

[Dark Holy Elf]

My bad. I still don't respect that form's 1.5-acting at all, but at least there's a glimmer of an argument there.

[Orson]

I come back to the forums and there's a decent pool. Not bad:

Godlike

Seymour Guado (FFX) vs. False Althena (L:EBC): Kneejerk.
Heavy

Sasarai (S3) vs. Neclord (Suikos): I'm not sure how well Neclord fares against Magic, but against True Earth and Sasarai? Not very well. See: Gate.
Boomerang (WA1) vs. Sync (TotA): Sync lucks out. Boomy Flash would cripple him.

Middle

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Dupa (S3): Dupa loses to Chris in game. Now he's in the arena and loses to another white-haired woman with the same hairstyle as Chris. Good old fashioned irony.

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Alfred Schoredinger (WA3): Healing. End of story.
Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2)
Rody (S3) vs. Dinn (S5): Rody against someone mobile.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2): I'm kneejerking towards Ard at the moment. Can anyone give me a good case on Shady?

For starters, Ard is a lot slower. As in, he eats a 4-3. Second, Ard is -frailer- than Shady by a decent amount, which freaking fails. He wins damage in the war, but it doesn't matter: Ard can't 2HKO Shady, while Shady -does- 3HKO Ard (which ends up making Shady not even need to 4-3, but he does).

[Orson]

Shady (WA3) vs. Ard (WA2): I'm kneejerking towards Ard at the moment. Can anyone give me a good case on Shady?

For starters, Ard is a lot slower. As in, he eats a 4-3. Second, Ard is -frailer- than Shady by a decent amount, which freaking fails. He wins damage in the war, but it doesn't matter: Ard can't 2HKO Shady, while Shady -does- 3HKO Ard (which ends up making Shady not even need to 4-3, but he does).

Works for me.

[Luther Lansfeld]

The stats on Shady in the stat topic make him seem a lot worse than people are saying. I'd really like to see some numberz that are accurate and documented before I vote. (He has 350 damage to a ~2150 HP average in the topic, which is not even APPROACHING a 4HKO.)

[cloudstrifesheart]

Limits are not dodgeable attacks.