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It's the championship round! The format's changed a bit so everyone can vote. It's the same list format, but you can vote if you know at least two of the eight games. It's based off the old list round robin format.. but in game's case, other games don't really 'spoil' others, hence keeping the list format.

1. Final Fantasy Tactics
2. Baldur's Gate 2
3. Legaia: Duel Saga
4. Valkyrie Profile
5. Xenosaga 3

Would be:

FFT: 4-0
BG2: 3-1
LoL2: 3-2
VP1: 1-3
XS3: 0-4.

Please format your lists like this, makes it easier for me to count. On to the results!

Winners:

1. Wild ARMs 4 (12.04)
2. Suikoden 5 (10.55)
3. Suikoden 3 (10.5)
4. Tales of the Abyss (9.95)

Out:

5. Persona 2 (9.68)
6. Final Fantasy 6 (9.33)
7. Suikoden 2 (8.52)
8. Baldur's Gate 2 (8.46)
9. vagrant Story (8.37)
10t. Star Ocean 2 (8)
10t. Dragon Quest 8 (8)
12. Front Mission 4 (7.88)
13. Pokemon RSE (6.21)
14. Lunar 2 (6.04)
15. Fire Emblem 78 (5.66)
16. Super Mario RPG (4.8)


Super failures:

16. Hoshigami (2.37)
15. Xenosaga 3 (3.13)
14. Tactics Ogre:KoL (6.36)
13. Final Fantasy X-2 (6.5)

Out:

12. Golden sun (7.35)
11. Persona 1 (7.91)
9t. Final Fantasy Legend 2 (8)
9t. Breath of Fire 2 (8)
8. 7th Saga (8.42)
7. Secret of Mana (8.62)
6. Arc the Lad 2 (8.71)
5. Final Fantasy 8 (8.94)
4. Radiata Stories (9.61)
3. Xenosaga 2 (10)
2. Legaia: Duel Saga (12.5)
1. Wild ARMs 5 (13.5)


Championship list:

Final Fantasy Tactics
Wild ARMs 4
Suikoden 3
Planescape Torment
Shadow Hearts 2
Suikoden 5
Tales of the Abyss
Final Fantasy X


Super Failure Round:

Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced
Xenosaga 3
Hoshigami
Dragon Warrior 7
Great Greed
Final Fantasy X-2
Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis
Final Fantasy 12
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Championship list:

1. Final Fantasy Tactics- Is the best.
2. Suikoden 3- Is (maybe?) the best of Suikoden.
3. Tales of the Abyss- The best recent RPG.
4. Suikoden 5- The best at story.
5. Wild ARMs 4- Really good.
6. Shadow Hearts 2- Solid.
7. Planescape:Torment- Still can't finish it, gameplay needs work.
8. Final Fantasy X- Combat bored me to tears.

FFT: 7-0
S3: 6-1
TotA: 5-2
S3- 4-3
WA4: 3-4
SH2: 2-5
PT: 1-6
FFX: 0-7


1. Tactics Ogre- Criminally overhated here. I had no idea.
2. Final Fantasy X-2- Playable at worst.
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3. Hoshigami- Worse than XS3 and DW7, but pisses me off less.
4. Dragon Warrior 7- A complete disgrace.
5. Xenosaga 3- Is XS3.

TO: 4-0
X-2: 3-1
Hoshi: 2-2 (FAIL)
DW7: 1-3
XS3: 0-4
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Championship list:

Final Fantasy X: 3-0
Final Fantasy Tactics: 2-1
Suikoden 3: 1-2
Shadow Hearts 2: 0-3


Super Failure Round:

Final Fantasy X-2: 3-0
Final Fantasy 12: 2-1
Great Greed: 1-2
Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced: 0-3

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Final Fantasy Tactics: Is FFT.
Final Fantasy X: Is what console RPGs aspire to be.
Suikoden 3: S3 vs. WA4 is always a tossup, but I really like S3's creativity spliced with good basically everything.
Wild ARMs 4: Combat is win. Everything else is good.
Suikoden 5: Plot is win. Everything else... um. Still like this overall.
Shadow Hearts 2: Decidely above average, if I've never quite understood some of the hype.
Tales of the Abyss: I don't think I really need to say anything here.

FFT: 6-0
FFX: 5-1
S3: 4-2
WA4: 3-3
S5: 2-4
SH2: 1-5
EPIC GAP
TotA: 0-6

I refuse to vote on losers. (I've only played two, anyway.)

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Championship list:

1. Final Fantasy Tactics
2. Tales of the Abyss
3. Final Fantasy X
4. Wild ARMs 4
5. Shadow Hearts 2

FFT: 4-0
TotA: 3-1
FFX: 2-2
WA4: 1-3
SH2: 0-4

Super Failure Round:

1. Final Fantasy 12
2. Great Greed
3. Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced

FF12: 2-0
GG: 1-1
FFTA: 0-2

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Championship list:

1) Wild ARMs 4: 7-0
2) Final Fantasy X: 6-1
3) Final Fantasy Tactics: 5-2
4) Suikoden 5: 4-3
5) Shadow Hearts 2: 3-4
6) Suikoden 3: 2-5
7) Tales of the Abyss: 1-6
8) Planescape Torment: 0-7

Super Failure Round:

1) Xenosaga 3: 5-0
2) Final Fantasy 12: 4-1
3) Final Fantasy X-2: 3-2
4) Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis: 2-3
5) Hoshigami: 1-4
6) Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced: 0-5

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Championship list:
1 Shadow Hearts 2- Probably my 3rd favorite game.
2 Wild Arms 4- Awesome minus the villian cast and motifs.
3 Final Fantasy Tactics- Awesome, but clunky.
4 Final Fantasy X- Mostly above average in every way.
5 Suikoden 5- Solid, but shouldn't have gotten this far.
6 Tales of Abyss- Length holds it back.
7 Suikoden 3- Skills are cool, the formatting is cool. Less cool: Horrible travel, 2 of 3 mains are either sucky or bland, the game lacks any actual punch.

Shadow Hearts 2: 6-0
Wild Arms 4: 5-1
Final Fantasy Tactics: 4-2
Final Fantasy X: 3-3
Suikoden 5: 2-4
Tales of the Abyss: 1-5
Suikoden 3- 0-6

Super Failure Round:
1. Final Fantasy X-2- Like the combat.
2. Xenosaga 3- Don't mind it.
3. Final Fantasy 12- Worse game ever.

Final Fantasy X-2: 2-0
Xenosaga 3: 1-1
Final Fantasy 12: 0-2
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1. Suikoden 5
2. Tales of the Abyss
3. Final Fantasy Tactics
4. Final Fantasy X
5. Suikoden 3

Suikoden 5: 4-0
Tales of the Abyss: 3-1
Final Fantasy Tactics: 2-2
Final Fantasy X: 1-3
Suikoden 3: 0-4



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Championship list:

1.Suikoden 3
2.FFT
3.Suikoden 5
4.FFX
5.Shadow Hearts 2
6.Tales of the Abyss (how did this awful game make it?)

Suikoden 3 5-0
FFT 4-1
Suikoden 5 3-2
*big gap*
FFX 2-3
Shadow hearts 2 1-4
Tales of the Abyss 0-5


Super Failure Round:

1. FF12
2. Dragon Warrior 7
3. FFX-2
4. FFTA
5. Hoshigami

FF12 4-0 (I actually love this game)
Dragon Warrior 7  3-1 ( I liked it alot)
FF X-2  2-2 (its not that bad)
FFTA 1-3 (still wouldnt go on my worst list, just I liked the other 3 better here)
Hoshigami 0-4 (Okay, this one actually deserves to be here)

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Championship list:

1. Tales of the Abyss
2. Final Fantasy Tactics
3. Final Fantasy X
4. Suikoden 3
5. Suikoden 5
6. Wild ARMs 4
7. Shadow Hearts 2

Tales of the Abyss 6-0
Final Fantasy Tactics 5-1
Final Fantasy X 4-2
Suikoden 3 3-3
Suikoden 5 2-4
Wild ARMs 4 1-5
Shadow Hearts 2 0-6

Pretty badass list. I like everything here.

Super Failure Round:

1. Xenosaga 3
2. Final Fantasy 12

Xenosaga 3 1-0
Final Fantasy 12 0-1

Yeah, I disliked FF12 that much. At least I can laugh at XS3 plot (and it has Virgil).

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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2008, 11:28:40 PM »
Championship list:

Planescape Torment 1-0 - Oh man like this is a difficult decision
Final Fantasy Tactics 0-1 - No comment necessary


Super Failure Round:

Great Greed 1-0 - Inoffensive
Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced 0-1 - Pink hair

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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2008, 11:47:27 PM »
Championship list:

(6-0) Suikoden 5
(5-1) Final Fantasy Tactics
(4-2) Wild ARMs 4
(3-3) Final Fantasy X
(2-4) Suikoden 3
(1-5) Shadow Hearts 2
(0-6) Tales of the Abyss

Super Failure Round:

(3-0) Final Fantasy X-2
(2-1) Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis
(1-2) Final Fantasy 12
(0-3) Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced
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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2008, 12:18:42 AM »
Championship list:

Final Fantasy Tactics: 7-0
Tales of the Abyss: 6-1
Shadow Hearts 2: 5-2
Wild ARMs 4: 4-3
Planescape Torment: 3-4
Final Fantasy X: 2-5
Suikoden 5: 1-6
Suikoden 3: 0-7


Super Failure Round:

Final Fantasy X-2: 1-0
Final Fantasy 12: 0-1

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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2008, 01:09:46 AM »
Championship List

(6-0) Final Fantasy Tactics
(5-1) Shadow Hearts 2
(4-2) Wild ARMs 4
(3-3) Tales of the Abyss
(2-4) Suikoden 3
(1-5) Suikoden 5
(0-6) Final Fantasy X


Super Failure Round
(3-0) Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced
(2-1) Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis
(1-2) Final Fantasy 12
(0-3) Xenosaga 3

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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2008, 02:17:01 AM »
Suikoden 3 - This and ToA is a toss-up. Each has its own advantages over the other. Feeling Suiko here.
Tales of the Abyss - Really liked it, length never bothered me.
(FFT would go here if I'd managed to get a bit farther before my computer died. As is, I think I was... probably right at the point where the plot was about to really take off >_>)
FFX - Didn't mind it, Tidus complaints are more for fun than serious problems. Plot was good and appropriately EPIC, characters had good variety, interactions, etc. Gameplay is better than some FF, but still... meh.

S3 - 3-0 (4-0)
ToA - 2-1 (3-1)
(FFT - 2-2)
FFX - 1-2 (1-3)

Only played XS3 of the failure bracket. Would probably put it higher up than most >_>
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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2008, 02:43:42 AM »
Championship list:

1. Final Fantasy Tactics
2. Shadow Hearts 2
3. Suikoden 5
4. Tales of the Abyss
5. Wild ARMs 4
6. Suikoden 3
7. Final Fantasy X
8. Planescape Torment


Super Failure Round:

1. Final Fantasy X-2
2. Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced
3. Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis
4. Xenosaga 3
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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2008, 03:02:37 AM »
Championship list:

1. Final Fantasy Tactics- The best.
2. Shadow Hearts 2- Brilliant graphics and great character work.
3. Wild ARMs 4- Great gameplay.
4. Suikoden 3- A lil bit of both.
5. Final Fantasy X- Really damn good gameplay.
6. Suikoden 5- Great characters, but terrible gameplay.
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7. Tales of the Abyss- I have nothing to say.


FFT- 6-0
SH2- 5-1
WA4- 4-2
S3- 3-3
FFX- 2-4
S5- 1-5
TotA- 0-6

Super Failure Round:

1. Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis- Does not deserve to be here.
2. Great Greed- Same.
3. Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced- At least I finished it.
4. Final Fantasy X-2- Skanky fanservice.
5. Xenosaga 3- Shiiiiiiion.

TO- 4-0
GG- 3-1
FFTA- 2-2
FFX-2- 1-3
XS3- 0-4
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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2008, 03:52:03 AM »
Championship list:

1. Suikoden 3 (5-0)
1. Shadow Hearts 2 (5-0)
3. Final Fantasy X (4-2)
4. Suikoden 5 (3-3)
5. Tales of the Abyss (2-4)
6. Final Fantasy Tactics (1-5)
7. Wild ARMs 4 (0-6)

Super Failure Round:

1. Final Fantasy X-2 (2-0)
2. Xenosaga 3 (1-1)
3. Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced (0-2)
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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2008, 10:38:12 AM »

Championship list:

1 - Suikoden 5 - Mass replay value
2 - Wild Arms 4 - Raqual and Arnaud + token white mage/summoner/support type to keep CT happy
3 - Shadow Hearts 2 - Dancer! Yuri + Alice story. Interesting whole story plot overall. Not really a fan of the gameplay though except Lucia =/
4 - Final Fantasy X - Great game just kind of jaded on it now =/

Super Failure Round:

Final Fantasy XII - Dancer! I <3 Penelo. Gameplay ate my soul for a while and I can see myself going back to it so yeah >_>
Final Fantasy X-2 - Boooo-ring!
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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2008, 11:23:25 AM »
Championship list:

1. Tales of the Abyss - Fun gameplay, nothing quite compares to the chaotic thrill of 70-hit combos that chain in FOF effect skills followed up by a Mystic Arte against an Arena battle in Hard mode. Great character interactions and a plot that actually made me care. Cinematography of this caliber in a cel-shaded game was pretty impressive. Had a few flaws, but the sheer fun factor of the game makes up for it.
2. Suikoden 3 - All the good things about Suikoden packaged in a neat little shell. This game is a fine example of story, fun character growth system, and large-cast recruitment. Trinity Sight system for the win. The full gamut of sidequests being wholly enjoyable also wins it this spot.
3. Wild Arms 4 - Really close with Suikoden 3 and FFX. Intuitive platforming, great HEX system. Main characters are generally enjoyable. Comic book-style Supervillains in a Wild West RPG are a fairly original idea. Overall good voice-acting too, of all things.
4. Final Fantasy X - Perhaps my favorite Final Fantasy? Turn system, sphere grid, character specialization, mid-battle party swap - choose the best feature of the gameplay. Character interaction was good, even if Yuna was bland. If you're smart and play the game without the sub-par English voice-overs, the story and dialog are really moving in a way I wouldn't have expected from an FF game.
5. Shadow Hearts 2 - I'm going to go on the record as saying that I -like- SH2's ending 'twist' and that I find trippy sci-fi story ideas like that to be rather entertaining. Judgment ring is a fun gimmick. Dark, historical setting really works for the game.
6. Suikoden 5 - Memorable cast, best story of the bunch. That counts for something.
7. Final Fantasy Tactics - Not a bad game, but nothing really stands out about it for me. Setting is too familiar to be unique. Characters are archetypal without much meaningful interaction. Story is servicable but predictable. Gameplay saves it for me, probably better than S5 for gameplay in fact, but loses out majorly in terms of character and story.

Super Failure Round:

1. Final Fantasy XII - Somehow the least offensive game here?
2. Final Fantasy X-2 - I'd like to say that for the most part, while FF games aren't my favorite RPGs, they certainly aren't horrible failures (in -general-).
3. Tactics Ogre - Game is pretty bad overall, and I could never play this again now that I've played Brig, which takes its basic concept and just does everything so much better in every possible way.
4. Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced - Well, HERE'S the exception to the rule. This game is a horrible failure.
5. Xenosaga 3 - Somehow XS3 isn't the lowest on the list today? This make me sad.
6. Dragon Warrior 7 - What's this? DW7 isn't the lowest on the list today either?! *cuts self*
7. Hoshigami - Congratulations, Hoshigami, you've managed to be so offensively horrible that I killed myself. Are you happy now? Are you? Can I rank this lower than a 0-6?

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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2008, 09:14:05 PM »
Championship list:

Final Fantasy Tactics
Planescape Torment
Shadow Hearts 2
Final Fantasy X
Wild ARMs 4
Tales of the Abyss

FFT: 5-0 - FFVI and PDS would beat it, but neither is here, so woo champ.
P:T: 4-1 - Close call between this and SH2, but people are disrespecting Torment too much, so here's a boost.
SH2: 3-2 - Best PS2 RPG, yay.
FFX: 2-3 - Tough field.
WA4: 1-4 - Really tough field.
TotA: 0-5 - Seriously, the hell?

Super Failure Round:

Dragon Warrior 7
Final Fantasy X-2
Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis
Xenosaga 3
Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced

DW7: 4-0 - I'm a fanboy, obviously. Plus it's the only game on this list I played from start to finish!
FFX-2: 3-1 - Playable, mostly. Still didn't finish it, but I guess I could?
Knight of Lodis: 2-2 - Crap.
XS3: 1-3 - Plot.
FFTA: 0-4 - Everything.
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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2008, 01:52:13 AM »
Championship list:

1. Final Fantasy Tactics
2. Final Fantasy X
3. Shadow Hearts 2
4. Suikoden 3
5. Tales of the Abyss
6. Suikoden 5

FFT: 5-0
FFX: 4-1
SH2: 3-2
S3: 2-3
TotA: 1-4
S5: 0-5


Super Failure Round:
1. Final Fantasy 12 - how is this on the list?
2. Final Fantasy X-2 - terribly tacky, but the gameplay is decent
3. Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced
4. Dragon Warrior 7

FF12: 3-0
FFX-2: 2-1
FFT: 1-2
DW7: 0-3
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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2008, 01:57:42 AM »
Championship list:

1. Final Fantasy Tactics - Probably the only game I can consistenly think its 10/10. Almost perfect in everyway.
2. Wild ARMs 4 - Still very awesome. Love it. Loses to FFT by a tiny margin.
3. Tales of the Abyss - Drop here, but yeah still good.
4. Final Fantasy X - Good, but not as awesome as the rest of the games listed here.


Super Failure Round:

1. Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced - The fact that this is being placed first in this list....:psyduck:
2. Final Fantasy X-2: Horrible. It beats FF12 at least on the one count of the economy does not hate you and rape you up the ass. It loses to FFTA simply because no matter how bad Mewt is, incest Brother probably tops him. Both their battle systems and plot are moot since I will never play that far to see it.
3. Final Fantasy 12 - Needs to burn in a pit of fire. Wins against XS3 for the sole reason that Balthier exists. Otherwise? Gutter trash.
4. Xenosaga 3 - Pass me the cyanide.
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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2008, 07:43:13 AM »
Championship list:

1 - Planescape Torment - Setting, characters, good exploration based gameplay.
2 - Wild ARMs 4 - Awesome battle system, good setting and music.
3 - Final Fantasy X - A bit above average.
4 - Suikoden 3 - Too many flaws.
5 - Final Fantasy Tactics - Shallow but inoffensive gameplay, horrible plot, characters, and setting.

Super Failure Round:

1 - Hoshigami - Nothing special, but nothing offensive outside the music.
2 - Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced - Nice gameplay, its what FFT's should have been. Too bad everything else is worse.
3 - Final Fantasy X-2 - Only ATB game that doesn't blow for gameplay.
4 - Final Fantasy 12 - Too many flaws.
5 - Dragon Warrior 7 - Zzzzzz
6 - Great Greed - Downright retarded


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Re: Best RPG ever contest: Finals. It's time to get liiiiiiiisssssssssting!
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2008, 10:03:29 PM »
Championship list:

1) Shadow Hearts 2 - Amazing.  This top 5 here is badass.  Overall the best game here, solid on all categories at worst, outstanding at best.  Just great. (7-0)
2) Tales of the Abyss - A bit long, but otherwise fantastic. (6-1)
3) Planescape Torment - Combat is weak, but that pales before everything else. (5-2)
4) Wild ARMs 4 - Great combat, characters decent, story shitty, but hell, NEW GAME+, lots of fun challenges...great game. (4-3)
5) Final Fantasy X - WORST OF THE TOP 5!!! And still the best of the series.  Fuck Chocobos, though. (3-4)
6) Suikoden 5 - Uh...had Alenia.  She was cute.  Otherwise not bad, really, but not standout. (2-5)
7) Suikoden 3 - Is very overrated, slow, not interesting on battles or characters, but is sadly not the worst game here.  (1-6)
8) Final Fantasy Tactics - Been over this before.  (0-7)

Super Failure Round: Are we rating these as top on failure or top on (less failure) goodness?

1) Xenosaga 3 - THE BEST GAME HERE.  THE LAST FEW HOURS AFTER YURIEV DO NOT EXIST.  LALALALALA.  (7-0)
2) Final Fantasy X-2 - Could be #1...might possibly be that.  It's a great game, really, with fun ATB and naked girls. (6-1)
3) Great Greed - Could be #2!  Biohaz.  FOOD.  (5-2)
4) Hoshigami - Not bad, really.  Decent enough in most regards.  (4-3)
5) Dragon Warrior 7 - I got my money's worth.  (3-4)
6) Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis - Argh OB.  (2-5)
7) Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced - WHY THE HELL IS FFT NOT LAST!?  (1-6)
8) Final Fantasy 12 - ...oh, that's why.  (0-7)
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[19:26] * +Terra_Condor looks up. Star Wars Football, what?
[19:27] <+Terra_Condor> Han Kicks First?
[19:27] <%Grefter-game> Vader intercepts.
[19:27] <%Grefter-game> Touchdown and Alderaan explodes in the victory