Author Topic: Season 42, Week 3 - It's boys vs. girls in Godlike! Make your moshpit bets!  (Read 4357 times)

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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG)
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3)
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC)
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4)


Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Farah Orstedd (ToE)
Sharon (Legaia 2) vs. Largo (TotA)
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos)
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA)


Middle

Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9)
Venusaur (PKMN) vs. Yuki (G3)
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1)
Roland (DDS) vs. Paine (FFX-2)


Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea)
Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Shady Thousand (WA3)
Jayle (VP1) vs. Dinn (S5)
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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG)- Yuna
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3)- Lady
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC)- FA
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4)- Ryu 4, likely...although do stat downs carry over into Dragon forms?

Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Farah Orstedd (ToE)- Sir Leopold
Sharon (Legaia 2) vs. Largo (TotA)- Sharon
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos)- Arc smashes Neclord 1, probably loses to N2.
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA)- Sync. High respect there.


Middle

Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9)- Lani. Ramza can't get all her elements.
Venusaur (PKMN) vs. Yuki (G3)- Arghle.
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1)- Unsure. Higher S1 average to me=Sheena get has trouble locking Alice down.
Roland (DDS) vs. Paine (FFX-2)- Roland.


Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea)- Shana
Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)- Fu So Ya
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Shady Thousand (WA3)- Zhuzhen. Shady respect isn't there.
Jayle (VP1) vs. Dinn (S5)- Unsure
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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG)
SPLAT.
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3)
Double splat.
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC)
Triple splat with cheese.
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4)
Uh...hm. Rika takes this unless Ryu can drop Eliminate below 50%, I think.

Heavy

Sharon (Legaia 2) vs. Largo (TotA)
One MA isn't going to cut it.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos)
Don't feel like reading up on what Neclord can do at the moment.

Middle

Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9)
It's Lani.

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea)
WSD smash.
Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)
Kiwi no likey magic damage.
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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG): Handles this easily under any interp, I think.
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3): There are no words. (Fitting, since it's Lady.)
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC): Better at everything, really: faster, more damaging, more durable.
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4): THE EPIC RETURNS! Anyway, this match is the same as twenty-odd seasons ago, where I gave it to Rika in a close decision... with one difference. We now know Saner boosts evade. This means Rika doesn't have to give a fig about her defence, since Ryu's "buff and kill" strategy which she needed def to survive... just can't even hit her any more. In fact I'm not even sure how he's supposed to finish her off, since he can't debuff her evade. Kaiserbreath I guess. Basically things just got tougher for him. I'll copy the pre-Saner analysis in a bit.


Heavy

Sharon (Legaia 2) vs. Largo (TotA): Don't see Largo surviving chip + MA. High TotA boss respect could swing things his way, though.
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA): Sadness. Sync having lightning makes this clearcut, though, since he probably 2HKOs going first.


Middle

Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9): Somewhere in all that FFT equip nonsense, Ramza never learned how to block Water. (White Robe doesn't do it.) So he's pretty much screwed here.
Venusaur (PKMN) vs. Yuki (G3): Depends if Yuki could block sleep.
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1): S2 Sheena is barely capable of dealing damage here. D in earth or resisted physicals. Alice 3HKOs him with Advent. Sheena can, however, stall with Vengeful Child... but I believe he only has ~3 shots of this? So it won't make a difference. If Alice didn't have BLESSED LIGHT or whatever it was, he miiight run her out of MP! Granted, S1 Sheena does win this (heal-lock with lightning magic)
Roland (DDS) vs. Paine (FFX-2): Roland is pretty bad. Poor damage, worse healing... yeah, Assault should just own him.


Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea): Riiight. WSD and MDef nuke Flonne bad.
Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4): Kiwi doesn't hold up well against mages.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Shady Thousand (WA3): I DO NOT ACCEPT THIS!
Jayle (VP1) vs. Dinn (S5): Good question. Horrible speed probably costs Dinn this match, since he's not much better on damage or durability (Jayle's evade answering his Def decently). But I should numbercrunch it to be sure.

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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG) - Hey look, Yuna doesn't even need Aeons.
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3) - Stomps into the ground.
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC) - I -think-? Both should 3HKO, but FA is faster.
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4) - Heh, fun rematch. Still the same vote after 20 seasons, though, and Saner's evade-boosting properties just further hurt Ryu.


Heavy

Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos) - It's Arc's kind of fight. Weak Enemy = gg. Invincible is gravy. Doesn't hurt that Neclord kinda sucks.


Middle

Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9) - Ramza can't spoil his way through this.
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1) - S1 Sheena for me! Heal-lock ahoy.


Light

Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4) - Dear god, this is monstrous.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Shady Thousand (WA3) - ZHUZHEN YOU BASTARD. FIRST ALFRED AND NOW SHADY. ;_;
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Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA) - Faster, lightning, mystic artes, win.

Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9) - Gatorade is better.
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Yuna vs. Citan- I'll probably be the only one. He has the speed to pull it off. He has the resources to survive till a doubleturn and then finishes Yuna off.  Of course this useless whore will keep winning though.

Gades vs. Lady- At least Gades got to enjoy the taste of victory in godlike.

False Althena vs. Miguel- The poor fisherman doesn't stand a chance, it would be suicide

Rika vs. Ryu4- I have enough respect for her ID

HEAVY

Arc vs. Neclord- Arc has the perfect set of skills for this fight. This heavy season belongs to Arc. He is a low level godlike in my book.

Middle

Ramza vs. Lani

Sheena vs. Alice Elliot

Roland vs. Paine

Light

Kiwi vs. Fu So Ya

Zhuzhen vs. Shady
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Uh...hm. Rika takes this unless Ryu can drop Eliminate below 50%, I think.

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I have enough respect for her ID

Mist Armor + Dragon Helm is 75% resistance to Death. Rika isn't winning through ID. If she wins, its through letting her dispel BoF4 stat breaks. I don't, since they stack additively with stat boosts rather than get dispelled outright, others might since PS4 stat breaks go poof if you cast the opposite buff.

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We now know Saner boosts evade.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Saner's evade boost due to the boost in Agility (PS4's evade stat)? If so, Stardrop is still just as deadly as ever (it rapes Agilty alongside Defense) and the match still falls on whether you allow Rika's buffs to dispel BoF4 stat breaks or not.

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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG): Poor Citan.
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3): Gades in Godlike. Why the hell isn't he hitting a downgrade pool?
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC)
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4)



Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Farah Orstedd (ToE)
Sharon (Legaia 2) vs. Largo (TotA): Respect for TotA boss durability, yeah. One MA isn't really enough, and she's dead afterwards.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos): No vote, but jesus man, Neclord won a match? What the hell?
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA)
: No vote, but go Sync anyway.


Middle

Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9): Blah, don't feel like thinking about this right now.
Venusaur (PKMN) vs. Yuki (G3)
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1): Probably? Will think about it more later.
Roland (DDS) vs. Paine (FFX-2)


Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea): Less incompetent. Sadly.
Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4): Has magic. All you really need against Kiwi.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Shady Thousand (WA3): Motion to defenestrate Zhuzhen?
Jayle (VP1) vs. Dinn (S5): Just better all around, I think.

Aaaand, that's the last time I view this topic. Time to bugger off before the Rika vs. Ryu shitstorm starts up again.

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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG)- One Crystal Water isn't enough.
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3)- Gades sort of gives it a fight, but Lost Progress kills any faint hopes he has of winning this.
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC)- Pretty sure. Miguel's starting damage was not impressive.
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4)- I think I voted Rika last time, will check votes to be sure. Ryu wishes he had Death.


Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Farah Orstedd (ToE)- Ah. Ha. Ha. No.
Sharon (Legaia 2) vs. Largo (TotA)- Zero respect for TotA bosses before MAs. Sharon can chip and smash.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos)- ID.
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA)- May vote on this. Leaning Sync though, him hitting a weakness is bad news.


Middle

Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9)
Venusaur (PKMN) vs. Yuki (G3)- Go away Yuki.
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1)
Roland (DDS) vs. Paine (FFX-2)


Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea)
Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)- Mental note, test Stop some more.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Shady Thousand (WA3)
Jayle (VP1) vs. Dinn (S5)- All pretty one sided.
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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG) - Even without Aeons.  Citan needs to haste to be significantly faster.  If Yuna is 2HKOed she can heal until Citan misses, then just Holy.  Citan is now the heal locked one and I don't think his healing keeps up with Holy.
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC) - 1K damage is plenty.


Heavy
FAIL


Middle
Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9) - 2HKOs
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1) - Heal lock works


Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea) - Light is silly

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Yuna vs. Citan - Ah, the Yuna debates again.  I'd just like to point out that pure Aeonless Yuna actually does lose, I think, because Deathblows don't miss - even if every single regular hit misses, the Deathblow goes off, IIRC (and the stat topic seems to agree).  And the regular hits are a fairly small amount of total damage by the endgame; I think Citan will still 2HKO Yuna easily even with most of them missing.  So Citan opens with attacks and heal-locks until he double turns Yuna.

If you grant Yuna Overdrives, though, (which I do) I think she wins after all.  Triple Overdrive means she ODs stupidly fast and probably before Citan doubles.  This means that Citan will have to win on a double outright and can't pressure Yuna with attacks.  So...  Citan opens with Haste.  Yuna responds with Protect, which seriously puts a crimp in Citan's damage and means that Citan doesn't kill on a double after all.  Citan...  starts building AP by tapping Yuna with a single weak attack for a big combo as his only way of winning.  If Yuna responds with Holy...  yeah, Holy hurts a lot and Citan's healing isn't full, but Holy also has a slow recharge time vs. a Hasted Citan, and Citan has a huge amount of HP.  I think Citan builds up enough AP to kill before running out of EP, despite having to spend 4/5 of his turns healing rather than building AP.  Except...  Yuna changes her OD mode to Warrior, and builds up to an OD that way with her assault on Citan.  Damn it.

Alternatively, if elemental deathblows are seen as magical attacks not physical ones (an interpretation I doubt is true; they're probably elemental physicals), then Yuna is forced to use Shell instead, and Citan downgrades to his 6 AP Physical Deathblow.  Does that still 2HKO?  Not sure, but that could be an alternate path to victory for Citan.

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Yuna vs. Citan - Ah, the Yuna debates again.  I'd just like to point out that pure Aeonless Yuna actually does lose, I think, because Deathblows don't miss - even if every single regular hit misses, the Deathblow goes off, IIRC (and the stat topic seems to agree).  And the regular hits are a fairly small amount of total damage by the endgame; I think Citan will still 2HKO Yuna easily even with most of them missing.  So Citan opens with attacks and heal-locks until he double turns Yuna.

Citan's only damage 7AP deathblow that can even -damage- Yuna (who nulls all the other ones with her Phantom Ring) is Festive Wind, which is not impressive (for a comparison, Crystal Water's full string damage barely 2HKOs average, and none of his other Deathblows do). With the added pressure of evade on the other attacks, it's questionable whether Yuna even gets 2HKOed by it. And it hardly matters: she casts Protect first thing, now suddenly the theoretical 2HKO turns into a 4HKO and the heal-lock doesn't happen. It lasts forever and Citan has absolutely nothing to dispel it. On the other hand, Yuna still has that easy 2HKO with Holy and far deeper resources. If Citan tries to store AP for a deathblow combo, Yuna goes for Holy and Citan either heals or dies. He can't keep it up for longer than Yuna, and Yuna's Holy outdamages Citan's healing to begin with. Tough predicament.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Saner's evade boost due to the boost in Agility (PS4's evade stat)? If so, Stardrop is still just as deadly as ever (it rapes Agilty alongside Defense) and the match still falls on whether you allow Rika's buffs to dispel BoF4 stat breaks or not.

Given that BoF4 speed down doesn't affect enemy evade, I'm not inclined to let it do so here. Stat spells should only alter what they alter in-game.

Parallel situations:

If Zalbag used Mind Ruin on RBY Mewtwo, I'd see it lowering his magical offence, and not touching his magical defence, despite the fact that in RBY there is only one stat for both.

If Arnaud used Illusion on Tir, I'd see this lowering Tir's accuracy, but not his evasion, despite the fact that the S1 accuracy stat is also used for evasion.

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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG) - I know it'll wind up Yuna.  So sad.
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3) - Lady is gonna win here...  And it'll be a tossup for IF she can beat Yuna next week.  Sadness.
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC)
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4)



Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Farah Orstedd (ToE)
Sharon (Legaia 2) vs. Largo (TotA)
- Just to note...  Sharon does have shoes with Fire Guard, which should really put a damper on Largo's damage some.  Granted, she's losing 44 AGI (so according to the stat topic, she goes down to +.95 SD from +1.39 SD), 7 DEF and 5 CHA...  Is that the profitable trade-off?  Still, I'm leaning Sharon on this.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos)
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA)



Middle

Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9) - For a forgettable boss, she sure is powerful in the DL...
Venusaur (PKMN) vs. Yuki (G3)
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1) - Sheena needs to keep a threat of a 2HKO at least, and he can't do that forever.  Alice keeps up the healing until Sheena starts 3HKOing, hits herself up with Gospel, heals again, then unleashes Advent a few times, I think.
Roland (DDS) vs. Paine (FFX-2)


Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea) - ...Aww, is Flonne gonna lose?  The band hadn't even finished writing a song about her yet.
Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4) - This is cool.  When I tried shortening Fu So Ya's name, I started thinking about Fou-Lu.  That image is cool.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Shady Thousand (WA3) - Resists fire, is hit harder by water, has healing and really good damage (if you don't hold FtC against him)
Jayle (VP1) vs. Dinn (S5)

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For Aeonless Yuna - Well, I respect Citan's damage a bit more than that - ignoring Yamikei helps.  Citan needs to have Festive Wind w/half the regular hits missing knock off 2/3 of Yuna's life; if that happens, then Yuna has to heal and can't answer with Protect.  But yeah, if you see Citan as not being able to do that much damage, he definitely loses.  I don't see the FW disrespect, though - checking the stat topic, Citan's 4 elemental deathblows all do 1750-1850 damage vs. an average of 1350 without Yamikei, 1550 w/ Yamikei.  Hmm...  yeah, with Yamikei taken into account, Citan can't do the 2/3 HP damage to Yuna required (even with Yuna a bit below average on HP), but I think he makes it without Yamikei taken into account.

As for Yuna going on the offense...  Holy does roughly .8 PCHP damage?  Citan has ~1.16 PCHP HP, and he heals half his HP with Sazanami, or ~.58 PCHP.  So every 10 Holies requires ~ 14 Sazanamis to cure, with the occasional reapplication of haste.  So Citan needs to 3:2 to keep up.  I see Hasted Citan double turning that often, though not much more often, meaning he doesn't get very much of a respite to build AP.  Not that it matters, again, unless you hold Yuna to Stoic OD, since Yuna doing damage will let her get to an OD via Warrior.

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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG): Yuna gets a turn with no hinderence.
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3): One sided...choose any form of Gades, the fight remains the same.
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC): FA is an overall improved version of Miguel, elements aside.
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4): Yeah, walls him too well.


Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Farah Orstedd (ToE): Heal Locks, gets lucky on crits, splat.
Sharon (Legaia 2) vs. Largo (TotA): Can't vote.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos): Neclord had ID? I guess that wins <_<?
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA): Can't vote *waves an Articuno Flag despite how it sounds like he has no chance*


Middle

Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9): I'm sure Ramza can-...wait, right, even a TWINKED FFT PC can't resist Water...
Venusaur (PKMN) vs. Yuki (G3): Not sure I see Flash hitting Venusaur's nonphysical stuff.  Not sure it matters either, since Yuki hits Venusaur's weakness with painful stuff.
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1): I suppose Healing > Sheena or something.
Roland (DDS) vs. Paine (FFX-2): Assault.


Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea): Could argue Flonne's damage is Holy Elemental.  But even if it wasn't, she still badly loses a Slugfest, given her damage is Magical, against Shana.  And Shana's faster, and has things like White Silver Dragon to fall back on.
Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4): Screw status, Flare OHKOs.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Shady Thousand (WA3): Not Shady's fight.
Jayle (VP1) vs. Dinn (S5): Kneejerk?
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For Aeonless Yuna - Well, I respect Citan's damage a bit more than that - ignoring Yamikei helps.  Citan needs to have Festive Wind w/half the regular hits missing knock off 2/3 of Yuna's life; if that happens, then Yuna has to heal and can't answer with Protect.  But yeah, if you see Citan as not being able to do that much damage, he definitely loses. 

Even without Yamikei in the averages, it's not terribly impressive. On both averages, Citan's Crystal Water damage is a rather shoddy 2HKO - in a non-Yamikei average, it deals 54% PC HP, to give you an idea. Although... huh, FestiveWind does even more barely 2HKO average under non-Yamikei averages. Although how much does that help anyway? To -reach- the scenario you're assuming, he -does- need to connect every single hit to 2HKO Yuna through Protect, since those damage figures you're assuming only really happen if he doesn't miss at all (I've did some crunching under the non-Yamikei average and reached that conclusion, more or less). The odds of that happening are... slim to none.

Also, you're assuming that Yuna will use Holy automatically if Citan Renkis, which isn't bound to happen. If he Renkis, Yuna simply casts Dispel and it's back to square one to Citan. He will double eventually if he keeps casting Renki, but that's eventually burning through his resources, while Yuna's barely even touching hers. Which is the problem: if Citan had Yuna's sheer retardedness for resource pools, he would eventually win. However... uh, he just doesn't. And he can't put nearly as much pressure as he needs to in order to end the stallfest early. And that's taking a more favorable view to him, like you admitted you do.
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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG): Protect (halve physical damage, doesn't wear off) rapes even if you don't allow Aeons.
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3)
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC)
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4): Well, I don't agree with Stardrop not affecting Rika's evade (or any of the parallels elfboy used). It's still a good fight, but leaning Ryu.

Heavy

Sharon (Legaia 2) vs. Largo (TotA): Might survive 2 turns,. Might actually be able to chip around an MA. Either would let him win.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos): Goes first and IDs Arc, or maybe even one rounds him with damage.
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA)


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Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9)
Venusaur (PKMN) vs. Yuki (G3)
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1)
Roland (DDS) vs. Paine (FFX-2)


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Jayle (VP1) vs. Dinn (S5)

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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG) - Citan gets one shot to kill Yuna and he can't do it.

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Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA) - Fuck Sync. 2HKOs with Thunder Blade ;_;.

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Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9) - RAMZA LOWERS HIS FAITH AND THUS TAKES NO WATER DAMA- no

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Jo'ou: There's no way on earth Citan can 2HKO through Protect (well, unless he can OHKO Yuna immediately).  The way I'm proposing Citan wins is to do 2/3 of Yuna's HP damage (or more) on his first strike - if Yuna answers that with Protect, Citan does 1/3 her HP damage next and wins.  So Yuna has to answer with healing, and then Citan wins the first time he doubles.  If Citan can manage this, then he beats pure Aeonless Yuna; if he can't, he doesn't.  (As for the long game, yeah, Dispel is an alternative strategy for a Protected Yuna.  I suspect Holy is better than Dispel for destroying Citan's resources, and if the Warrior OD is allowed it's pretty clearly superior, but it's another option for sure.)

Suppose I might as well do the number crunching as well to have less vague feelings.  Festive Wind does .52 PCHP damage vs. the no-Yamikei average.  With half the opening hits missing, let's call that .45 PCHP.  Yuna's defense is listed as 1.14 damage, so this gets knocked back up to .52 PCHP after all.  Yuna's HP is..   actually worse than I guessed?  .86 PCHP.  Two thirds that is...  .57 PCHP damage.  So it's close, but it looks like Yuna baarely pulls it out, in general.  But it's close enough that she'll sometimes lose; if everything in Festive Wind hits, that's .59 PCHP, which is over the magic 2/3 line.  And I may be being generous to the amount that the regular attacks matter; I forget, and if they're less important, that could also swing things for the doc.

So it looks like pure Aeonless Yuna does take this after all, at least on average.

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Toss in the fact that Deathblows CAN miss (it may be rare, there may be no endgame enemy with high enough stats to do it for all I know, but it can happen) and things do get a little harder for Citan even under that view, I'd think.

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Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3) - Murder.
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC) - Outslugs.
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4) - uhhhh no clue, comes down to if I agree with NEB on stat-changing abilities I think? Cute as buttons match tho.


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Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Farah Orstedd (ToE) - Kills first. I think. Now let us never speak of this again.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos) -  Easily. ... <_<


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Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9) - Likes the fact that I give him the >400 skills. Guts/Item handles the match well enough.
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1) - Yeah.


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Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea) - The person who allows PB Flonne is voting Shana. If this isn't a sign that Shana horribly and brutally spoils that form (dropping damage to 4HKO? Flonne takes two+ turns to get going since I hold her to the wasted turns? Yeah ahahahaha Shana wins.), nothing is. DisFlonne has a -better- argument, and it relies on giving Flonne not-staffs and Flonne damage respect after that. Yeah.
Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4) - yep. Kiwi's not a damager. Sadly. ;_;

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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG) - Yuna is a whore.

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Yuna (FFX) vs. Hyuga "Citan" Ricdeau (XG)- Man <3 I <3 Am <3 So happy!!! :):):) Yuna is going to WIN!! another match :):):)
Gades (Lufias) vs. Lady (SH3)
False Althena (Lunar:EBC) vs. Miguel (CC)- God, talk about a slaughter.
Rika (PS4) vs. Ryu (BoF4)- Wowzers, close. ^_^


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Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Farah Orstedd (ToE)
Sharon (Legaia 2) vs. Largo (TotA)
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Neclord (Suikos)- EPIC VOTING
Articuno (PKMN) vs. Sync (TotA)


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Ramza Beoulve (FFT) vs. Lani (FF9)- Poor Ramza. :(
Venusaur (PKMN) vs. Yuki (G3)
Sheena Lepant (Suikos) vs. Alice Elliot (SH1)
Roland (DDS) vs. Paine (FFX-2)


Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Flonne (Disgaea)
Kiwi (SF2) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)- Depressing, this is.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Shady Thousand (WA3) FUCK YOU, ZHUZHEN
Jayle (VP1) vs. Dinn (S5)
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