Author Topic: Season 42, Week 4 - Girls' club in Godlike, boys' club in Heavy? Sexists. (Read 14535 times)

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **on:** April 26, 2008, 05:19:01 AM »

Godlike

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3)
False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4)

Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Largo (TotA)
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Sync (TotA)

Middle

Lani (FF9) vs. Yuki (G3)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2)

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Dinn (S5)

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #1 on:** April 26, 2008, 05:25:21 AM »

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3) - If you don't allow optional Aeons, Lady has a shot! As is, though? Yuna summons Anima and outslugs, and let's not even begin with what the Magus Sisters do.
False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4) - MP busting or Paralysis. Pick your poison, Rika. (;_;)

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4) - EDIT: ARGH FF4 MAGIC SKILLSET.

superaielman · « **Reply #2 on:** April 26, 2008, 05:29:11 AM »

Godlike

False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4)

Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Largo (TotA)- Third time I'm voting against Largo this season. Go away.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Sync (TotA)- hahahaha Sync vs someone with Invincible.

Middle

Lani (FF9) vs. Yuki (G3)- Go away Yuki.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2)- Not a bad fight, but.. no.

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)- Stop works on enemies with max MDef and it works well, so it either overwhelms MDef or it ignores it somehow. Either way, it should be enough. I think. Damn Fu's speed.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Dinn (S5)- Resisting fire gives Zhuzhen trouble, the threat of a Titan rune puts too much pressure on- he's having to heal too often. He probalby runs out of SP.

Pyro · « **Reply #3 on:** April 26, 2008, 05:54:47 AM »

Godlike

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3): Typical "Yuna gets a turn" thing.
False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4): Rika being killed before she moves. There is some justice here. Or at least there would be if she actually used her ID like ever in the DL.

Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Largo (TotA): Generally a superior boss.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Sync (TotA): Arc's invincible damage is not impressive. It is, however, sufficient for putting down the angsty prick.

Middle

Lani (FF9) vs. Yuki (G3): Perfect p/mevade. Not much else to say.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2): Trainer form is unique. Status whoring works here, sadly.

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4): Dragoon forms nulled status. WSD and... well, she sucks outside of it but so does Fu without status I think?
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Dinn (S5): Probably have to actually research this.

muakaka · « **Reply #4 on:** April 26, 2008, 05:58:29 AM »

Godlike

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3)- I see Lady AND Malice Umbral going first. I don't see Yuna surviving that first turn. If she does, I'm thinking a well-placed Double when Lady kills off an Aeon will finish the job.
False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4)- T_T Ryu4 T_T

Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Largo (TotA)- I've got pretty bad Leopold respect. Largo's damage gets REALLY REALLY good after he hits 50%. Both have good health, Largo just has more damage. I don't really see Leopold avoiding Brimstone Tempest.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Sync (TotA)- I consider status and stat-busts a different category, so even under Invincible(If I remember correctly, only prevents damage and status), Arc is slowed by Gravity Well. And I'm not so sure Arc can survive a Sync double turn the second Invincible wears off, as Sync should be at least 50% health or lower.

Middle

Lani (FF9) vs. Yuki (G3)- Flash. Probably 2HKOs. Not Lani.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2)- Paine.....got this far?

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)- THE PAIN OF IT ALL.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Dinn (S5)

superaielman · « **Reply #5 on:** April 26, 2008, 05:58:44 AM »

Shana starting in Dragoon form just slaughters Fu.

OblivionKnight · « **Reply #6 on:** April 26, 2008, 06:09:56 AM »

Mmm? Unless I'm mistaken (and believe me, I've tried to forget the game), Shana needs an action to transform. Granted, Dragoon Charge carries over between fights, so I could see letting her start with it...in which case she's faster, and gets into it first. I thought the one status that could hit through Dragoon form was Death, though...mmm...

Regardless, Fu probably mauls if he gets one shot at her naked.

Monkeyfinger · « **Reply #7 on:** April 26, 2008, 06:11:00 AM »

Godlike

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3): Can outslug one Aeon. That's all she needs, since thanks to both doubleacting and stock doubles she can get a shot at Yuna with both herself and the Umbral, and that's fatal.
False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4)

Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Largo (TotA)
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Sync (TotA)

Middle

Lani (FF9) vs. Yuki (G3)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2)

Light

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Dinn (S5)

Shale · « **Reply #8 on:** April 26, 2008, 07:18:12 AM »

Godlike

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3)
See Monkey. Heck, Lady just has to time her fatal damage for the first round of a D-Combo and she gets two free shots at Yuna. Yuna's not surviving Crimson Raid-->Malice Dirge or Hex magic-->Calamity Gaze, and Lady's got enough HP and damage that she can get the Magus trio to the point where the first half of the combo will kill them and bring Yuna out. Auto-Life doesn't come into the equation thanks to Lost Progress.
False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4)
...yeah.

Heavy

This seems like a good week to finish TotA.

Middle

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2)
Don't get 2HKOed->Advent->Heal->repeat. Works.

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)
Stop is pretty much game, yeah. Don't let Shana enter the fight with DP. Although....LoD defend hype? I'll think about it.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2008, 07:24:40 AM »

Quote from: Shale on April 26, 2008, 07:18:12 AM

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)
Stop is pretty much game, yeah. Don't let Shana enter the fight with DP. Although....LoD defend hype? I'll think about it.

Neither do I, Shale. It's just Fu failing at durability that damned much and LoD defend being badass enough. >_>;

Meeplelard · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2008, 07:32:41 AM »

Godlike

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3): Some people are SORELY underrating Anima's durability and damage. Not seeing Lady have much of a chance here as a result.
False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4): Big massive OHKO Magic damage moves are Rika's bane, at least when they aren't Fire.

Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Largo (TotA): I can kind of vote on this, having seen Largo 1! But yeah, I won't.
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Sync (TotA): And by definition, same applies here (ok, not really, since this would require me to have played both DQ8 and AtLC...which granted I have...but wouldn't be the case for others <_<)

Middle

Lani (FF9) vs. Yuki (G3): Not seeing Flash > Magic.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2): I think? Not sure, but kneejerking.

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4): Think I see stop hitting turn 1 since its sickeningly accurate in game, even against things with maxed out Magic Defensive stats.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Dinn (S5): I'm going to resort to Zhuzhen's Healing > Dinn or something.

Regarding Dragoon transformation...
Its a Free Action, the same way as Shadow Hearts Fusions are. She can use her transformation with no turn loss, HOWEVER, naturally, she still actually needs a turn to transform. So yeah, regardless, Shana's got one turn where she's vulnerable. And LoD has status that stop you from acting, which you can't use Dragoon to transform out of since you can't act, so...yeah, Stop is pretty clear cut good enough assuming it hits (at least, I think that's the argument here?)

Also, regarding Defend Strategy?
Let me demonstrate why that fails:

Shana opens with Defend!
Fu So Ya casts Blink on Self!
Shana attacks, misses, fails to gain SP since IIRC, you need to actually HIT to gain SP (if I am remembering LoD properly, if you miss the Addition, the attack falters on the first hit, not even allowing you to get an addition in...granted, Shana lacks additions.)
Shana...might double turn here, but then Fu So Ya just casts Blink, and we're back to square 1 until Shana fails to double turn. At that point, Fu So Ya gets damage in.

Granted, there's a chance Shana double turns often enough (Fu is slow, after all) that she could run Fu So Ya out of MP, but would need to look stuff up.

Point is, if Shana tries to Defend until double turn or something, Fu casts Blink and thinks get messy.

muakaka · « **Reply #11 on:** April 26, 2008, 08:03:21 AM »

Quote from: Meeplelard on April 26, 2008, 07:32:41 AM

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3): Some people are SORELY underrating Anima's durability and damage. Not seeing Lady have much of a chance here as a result.

Anima and Lady both have mega-crazy damage. No arguments there.
Anima's durability....not so good. (1.8x PCHP by stat topic) While Lady has a whole FIFTY percent more health than the previous BOSS. Doesn't help that Lady mainly hits Anima's weaker Mdef stat.
Lady's speed is crazy. Anima's, not so.

Dark Holy Elf · « **Reply #12 on:** April 26, 2008, 08:51:36 AM »

Meep: LoD has storebought armours that give 20 SP a turn. Defend-whoring... actually it may well beat FuSoYa here.

EDIT: My mistake, that's an accessory; the armours give 20 SP when attacked. She could still stall infinitely until FuSoYa runs out of MP if you don't see him breaking her defend-healing. That's pretty pathetic, though.

Godlike

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3): Mathed this one out to my satisfaction. Lady can one-round Anima, which is fucking impressive enough, and can probably stand against the Sisters too since I take a dim view of random PC AIs in the DL. But... to do that one-round, she needs every bit of damage she has, so she has nothing left over for Yuna, who can just summon again. And she can't do the super-combo of death twice in a row, so Bahamut or whoever will get at least two hits.

Now, if you see Lady as durable enough to survive two swings from Anima, she takes it. Which isn't wholly unreasonable, not that I do personally, since I hold SH's awesome buffed damage against its bosses even though you can't use it against Lady specifically.

False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4): Yep. If only Rika could defend Thunder, she could champ Godlike this season.

Fun facts: If FA's physical attack operated at the same speed as Ray, she'd beat Yuna as it is strong enough to OHKO her. Looks like Yuna will champ again to me, though, despite a final four which has one person who beats her and two who are close.

Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Largo (TotA): Definitely don't see Largo as more durable than Leo. ALSO don't see him as faster; Leo's speed antihype is ridiculous, he's two points below average. Soo yeah this is really not close to me, seeing as Leo has way more damage at first, equal damage when Largo is below 50% HP (averages about 300 with those crits), and dodges Brimstone Tempest entirely like most decent Heavies.

Middle

Lani (FF9) vs. Yuki (G3): Go to Heavy so I can forget about you, Lani. High speed 2HKOs have no business in Middle, and even the good Middles are finding this out this week and next.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2): Hits Paine's woeful mdur, has a buff of her own to withstand Assault, etc.

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4): I've seen Stop miss, though I'm not sure it even has to!
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Dinn (S5): 2HKOs with physical + Titan, which puts way too much pressure on Zhuzhen. Especially since Zhuzhen uh... 6HKOs the other way with resisted Flames of Fudo? Yeah, his SP gets owned.

Dhyerwolf · « **Reply #13 on:** April 26, 2008, 08:54:15 AM »

Godlike

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3)- Lady. Since I scale Aeon damage against party damage and not PC damage, I can definetely see Lady at least getting through 1 Aeon, which is all she needs.
False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4)- False Althena

Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Largo (TotA)
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Sync (TotA)

Middle

Lani (FF9) vs. Yuki (G3)- Lani. Her spells don't check MEvade in game, can't see why they'd hit Flash, which is pretty lacking in terms of what spells it can also evade.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2)- Alice. Paine is shit.

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4)- Tentative Shana winning through defend. Note that I'm not sure Shana can miss. If she can, this goes the other way.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Dinn (S5)- Zhuzhen. He only needs to get 4 attacking turns, as Paralysis hits on turn 4. Make that 3 turns as he goes first. Zhuzhen is probably about 95% speed to me (And yeah...all I can respect SH for is tiebreaking since doubles exist but basically don't occur), while Dinn is about 81.6%, so Zhuzhen doubles first on 8-7, and then on 15-13. With this, Zhuzhen has both the SP and MP to take Dinn out. One could see Zhuzhen as slower...but SH speed is really bad at doubling end-game from what I've seen.
-If you allow Defend, SH defend quarters physical damage. Actually, if you assume that the characters know when crits are coming based on math, Zhuzhen is just going to defend, rendering his enemy's crits relatively impotent.

Dark Holy Elf · « **Reply #14 on:** April 26, 2008, 09:09:06 AM »

I don't see why either side should know when the crits are coming. Kinda defeats the point of 'em. Crits should be considered at equal opportunities anyway; if Bob crits on turn 5 and Steve has a useless one-turn invincibility move, Bob should crit on his fifth attack that actually hurts Steve, not "lol Steve uses invincible turn 5". Since statistically, if Bob gets five attacks, he'll have a crit by then.

Anyway, Dinn has Yellow Scarf = 12.5% hit rate from paralysis, so it's turn 8 instead of 4.

Also note if you consider crits individually instead of as average damage, that Dinn getting a crit a turn after Zhuzhen hasn't healed = he wins. So Zhuzhen can't afford more than three such turns (24% crit rate).

Dhyerwolf · « **Reply #15 on:** April 26, 2008, 09:26:36 AM »

If neither side knows when the crits are coming it also creates the problem of us not really knowing when the crits are coming either. In that example, Steve uses his Invincible move, and Bob just doesn't attack, holding off his 5th attack until the next turn. Of course, Yellow Scarf may move it moot anyways, since that pushes Zhuzhen into needing 5 turns to kill Dinn. That might be possible with Defending, but more than likely not.

Magic Fanatic · « **Reply #16 on:** April 26, 2008, 10:31:09 AM »

...I have epic voting powers this week.

Godlike

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3) - *Waves a "Lady for Godlike Champ!" flag* ...You know, this is probably the only non-PC Godlilke that I support this much.
False Althena (L:EBC) vs. Rika (PS4) - ...And here, we'll have the coins from Mario's Up+B when he hits an enemy distracting Rika, giving False Althena an open shot of winning. Like she even needs the distraction, but still...

Heavy

Sir Leopold (DQ8) vs. Largo (TotA) - *Waves a Sir Leopold flag*
Arc Eda Ricolne (AtLC) vs. Sync (TotA) - *Waves an Arc flag... Huh?*

Middle

Lani (FF9) vs. Yuki (G3) - Lani hype is a go!
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2) - I... Uh... THINK I can vote on this match. Anywho, Alice resisting physicals to start make Paine a very sad girl. Oh, and having woeful MDEF, but that's an aside. Now if I were to allow trainer or mascot forms...

Light

Shana (LoD) vs. Fu So Ya (FF4) - They... Each have really good arguments, right?
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs. Dinn (S5) - I'm nowhere near 100% on this, but this is my gut feeling... Besides, Zhuzhen's healing wasn't COMPLETE crap... Though it WAS still bad...

Monkeyfinger · « **Reply #17 on:** April 26, 2008, 10:46:11 AM »

A note regarding Lady's match:

Yuna's somewhat fast but Anima is below average speed.

SH3 bosses have the whole "speed up next turn if they didn't use stock" thing.

Likely result: Lady uses her first actions normally, laps Anima right then and there, then busts out the big combo, killing Anima midway through then finishing Yuna with the rest. She only needs to take one hit to do that.

074 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 26, 2008, 03:13:13 PM »

I can't vote this week, but I am posting to say:

Godlike

Yuna (FFX) vs. Lady (SH3) - Yuna. Is. A. Whore. And those who say she should be the supreme overlord of the DL, know that to obtain that title, you need to beat a team-up of Uber-Blue, the Hitoshura, and Ryu-5 in a 1-on-3 match.

Tonfa · « **Reply #19 on:** April 26, 2008, 04:33:14 PM »

Middle

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Paine (FFX-2): I don't know where people are getting "woeful mdur" from, since that is a gross exaggeration for 95%. Regardless, I've been talked into allowing Trainer.

Dark Holy Elf · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2008, 04:45:16 PM »

Quote from: Monkeyfinger on April 26, 2008, 10:46:11 AM

A note regarding Lady's match:

Yuna's somewhat fast but Anima is below average speed.

SH3 bosses have the whole "speed up next turn if they didn't use stock" thing.

Likely result: Lady uses her first actions normally, laps Anima right then and there, then busts out the big combo, killing Anima midway through then finishing Yuna with the rest. She only needs to take one hit to do that.

Lady doesn't have that property.

Still, there is an outside possibility that Lady laps Anima anyway.

cloudstrifesheart · « **Reply #21 on:** April 26, 2008, 06:17:58 PM »

I only carebout one match this week

Yuna vs. Lady- The only shot Yuna has is if you allow all her aeons, which I do not. I do not know why other people do considering if you did you would have to allow so many things for other characters that are not allowed. So why is she getting special treatment. YUNA IS A WORTHLESS WHORE. She gets storyline aeons and thats it, nuff said. So Yuna doesn't stand a chance due to Lady's speed and insane damage output. Like everyone else has said, she can outslug through one aeon.....and thats all she needs. GOODBYE YUNA

Luther Lansfeld · « **Reply #22 on:** April 26, 2008, 06:22:47 PM »

Quote from: cloudstrifesheart on April 26, 2008, 06:17:58 PM

I only carebout one match this week

Yuna vs. Lady- The only shot Yuna has is if you allow all her aeons, which I do not. I do not know why other people do considering if you did you would have to allow so many things for other characters that are not allowed. So why is she getting special treatment. YUNA IS A WORTHLESS WHORE. She gets storyline aeons and thats it, nuff said. So Yuna doesn't stand a chance due to Lady's speed and insane damage output. Like everyone else has said, she can outslug through one aeon.....and thats all she needs. GOODBYE YUNA

Like what? It sounds like you are clearly an unbiased source on the subject, so what exactly makes Yuna have special treatment?

cloudstrifesheart · « **Reply #23 on:** April 26, 2008, 07:27:21 PM »

CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT MOST PEOPLE ALLOW EVERY SINGLE AEON SHE GETS. 3/4 OF THEM ARE OPTIONAL. most of her wins are due to aeons that should be illegal for her to use. Im far from being biased towards Yuna. If you allowed all her Aeons, then it would only be fair to allow characters optional boss forms(SUPER BOSS FORMS) or alternate forms from diffferent games. It would then be legal to allow secret super weapons and optional powers that you would not get if you completed the game normally.

cloudstrifesheart · « **Reply #24 on:** April 26, 2008, 07:29:12 PM »

Then it would also be legal to allow materia that you wouldn't get through storyline. I could go all day on what you should allow if you allow Yuna all her aeons, because honestly it would only be fair. You guys can talk all the crap you want, but its just the truth.

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Author Topic: Season 42, Week 4 - Girls' club in Godlike, boys' club in Heavy? Sexists. (Read 14535 times)

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