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This topic is too XTREEEEM already. Notes within this post from everyone's favourite pharmacist, Oblivion Knight!

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Because I need a new stat topic to work on large-scale. Anyway, mine as well finish up the Grandia series with stat topics, especially since I'm about the only one here whose played the damn game. As of right now, I'm just starting work on it, so it'll look a little cluttered. Sorry about that.

I. Stats and Abbreviations

HP - Hit Points. We all know what these do by now
SP - Special moves use these; Grandia Extreme characters start with 0 SP when entering a dungeon, and build if up through taking damage and dealing damage ( Like WA FP ). SP maxes out at 100
MP - Magic uses these. Each Mana egg has it's own amount of MP; think of it more as charges of magic; only useful for Jaid, unless I'm mistaken; each egg has MP w/in a certain range, so it's somewhat random - I'll be using the average values in that range
STR - Physical attack power; this plus equipment = Attack
VIT - Physical defense power; this plus equipment = Defense
INT - Magic attack power; this plus equipment = Magic
MEN - Magic defense power; this plus equipment = Immunity
AGL - Speed, in the usual sense, i.e., action order; this plus eqipment = Action
SPD - How far a character can move around the battlefield; this plus equipment = Move

Like with Grandia 3, I'm assuming that characters start with full SP in the DL (this is...pathetically easy, and also makes the cast better duelers...if you don't, Myam is Heavy because of a GRANDIA PHYSICAL, which sounds wrong to me).

Stats are taken at level 45, the level at which Evann reached upon completion of the Evolution Corridor, the "last dungeon", and the "last boss".

About SP build-up:
1) Defending gains ~5 SP
2) A Combo sequence of 2 hits gains ~4 SP
3) A Critical sequence of 1 hit gains ~8 SP


II. Equipment
Now, the way Grandia Extreme works is weird...equipment changes depending on the section of the game you're at. There are "ultimate" equips, however, I'm not working with them ( most people would consider them "aftergame", which...I guess works ). Instead, I'm using equipment found in Locca right after defeating Quanlee ( which would take the place of ultimate equips in most games ). If anyone objects ( or, more likely, if anyone actually cares ), then I'll look at it differently. I'll be setting these characters up for what I feel is their best overall set-up, i.e., the one I'd pick in-game, which will typically be best defense ( MOV can burn in hell ). I'll list alternate equips somewhere else in this topic.

Some characters begin with initial skills and/or eggs. I'm...not 100% sure who has what, besides Brandol ( starting with Toughness ) and Jaid ( starting with a Flare and Aqua egg ), so if anyone can tell me who starts with what, that would be great ( I also think Lutina started with Abandonment, but I'm not 100% sure on that either ).


III. Characters

Evann
HP - 2312
SP - 100
MP - 0
STR - 217 ( 445 )
VIT - 210 ( 436 )
INT - 249 ( 249 )
MEN - 228 ( 228 )
AGL - 199 ( 209 )
SPD - 89 ( 117 )

Equipment:
Scramasax - +228 STR
Dark Armour - +88 VIT, +1 SP gain
Black Hood - +54 VIT, +10 AGL
Mirror Shield - +56 VIT, Reflects 10% of Physical Damage back at enemy
Shadow Leggings - +28 VIT, +28 SPD, Evade Rate +15%

Capabilities
Combo - 305x2 = 610, Physical [One]
Critical - 426x1 = 426, Physical [One]
X-Slash ( 25 SP ) - 580x2 = 1160, Physical [One]
Spark Volt ( 32 SP ) - 1320x1 = 1320, Magic, Lightning [Around]
Thunder Split ( 45 SP ) - 1688x1 = 1688, Physical, Lightning [line]
Invincible Aura ( 36 SP ) - Full invincibility for ~4-5 turns [Evann]
Sky Dragon Slash ( 72 SP ) - 2270x1 = 2270, Physical [All]

Brandol
HP - 2353
SP - 100
MP - 0
STR - 242 ( 460 )
VIT - 254 ( 570 )
INT - 176 ( 176 )
MEN - 160 ( 170 )
AGL - 211 ( 211 )
SPD - 76 ( 61 )

*Brandol starts with an innate Toughness skill equipped, which I've already factored in; its boost is listed below*

Equipment:
*Toughness - +54 VIT
Jet-Black Sword - +218 STR
Phalanx Armour - +100 VIT, -15 SPD
Shadow Helm - +62 VIT, Increases effectiveness of special effect magic ( duration, power, etc. )
Mirror Shield - +56 VIT, Reflects 10% of Physical Damage back at enemy
Golden Greaves - +44 VIT, +10 MEN

Capabilities
Combo - 374x2 = 748, Physical [One]
Critical - 501x1 = 501, Physical [One]
Great Divide ( 24 SP ) - 1212x1 = 1212, Physical ( 1974 under Victory Roar ) [One]
Spinning Slash ( 36 SP ) - 1613x1 = 1613, Physical ( 2621 under Victory Roar ) [Circle]
Victory Roar ( 30 SP ) - Boosts Strength by 50% [All]
Cyclone Slash ( 48 SP ) - 1834x1 = 1834, Physical, Wind ( 3018 under Victory Roar ) [Around]
Eruption Slash ( 44 SP ) - 2555x1 = 2555, Physical, Explosion ( 4234 under Victory Roar ) [One]

Carmyne
HP - 2164
SP - 100
MP - 0
STR - 236 ( 436 )
VIT - 228 ( 470 )
INT - 212 ( 212 )
MEN - 199 ( 209 )
AGL - 204 ( 214 )
SPD - 107 ( 107 )

Equipment:
Judge Saber - +200 STR, +1 Combo
Dark Armour - +88 VIT, +1 SP gain
Black Hood - +54 VIT, +10 AGL
Mirror Shield - +56 VIT, Reflects 10% of Physical Damage back at enemy
Golden Greaves - +44 VIT, +10 MEN

Capabilities
Combo - 291x3 = 873, Physical
Critical - 414x1 = 414, Physical
Sonic Sable ( 30 SP ) - 965x1 = 965, Physical [line]
Smash ( 22 SP ) - 1278x1 = 1278, Physical [One]
Shock Wave ( 46 SP ) - 11348x1 = 1140, Physical [Circle]
Holy Breath ( 32 SP ) - Regen effect; recovers 20% of character HP in between each action ( so, 20% regen per turn ), divided into 4 increments of 5% [All]
Rosette Slash ( 42 SP ) - 605x1 + 1555x1 = 2160, Physical [One]

Jaid
HP - 2162
SP - 100
MP - Flare: 60, Aqua: 60
STR - 221 ( 469 )
VIT - 207 ( 423 )
INT - 274 ( 274 )
MEN - 233 ( 253 )
AGL - 199 ( 209 )
SPD - 94 ( 84 )

Equipment:
Morning Star - +248 STR
Sage Robe - +76 VIT, +20 MEN, Grants Immunity to Sap Magic status
Black Hood - +54 VIT, +10 AGL
Mirror Shield - +56 VIT, Reflects 10% of Physical Damage back at enemy
Anklet - +30 VIT, -10 SPD

Capabilities
Combo - 393x2 = 786, Physical [One]
Critical - 531x1 = 531, Physical [One]
Blaster Bomb ( 25 SP ) - 1277x1 = 1277, Physical [One]
Nightmare Ball ( 18 SP ) - 300x1 = 300, Magic, Water, Inflicts Sleep ~67% [Fan]
Fist Burst ( 32 SP ) - 239x8 = 1912, Magic, Fire [One]
Titan Fist ( 50 SP ) - 2001x1 = 2001, Physical [Circle]
Jolt Knuckle ( 64 SP ) - 1920, Magic [Around]

Flare Egg:
Burn! ( 4 MP ) - 600x1 = 600, Magic, Fire [One]
Guard Up ( 8 MP ) - Boosts Mentality by 50% [Circle]

Aqua Egg:
Heal ( 6 MP ) - Heals 750 HP [One]
Snooze ( 5 MP ) - Inflicts Sleep ~50% [Circle]

Titto
HP - 0
SP - 100
MP - 0
STR - 0
VIT - 0
INT - 0
MEN - 0
AGL - 0
SPD - 0

Equipment:
Warp Knife - +240 STR, "Warp Attack"
Black Costume - +83 VIT, Evade Rate +10%
Black Hood - +54 VIT, +10 AGL
Shield Bracelet - +54 VIT
Shadow Leggings - +28 VIT, +28 SPD, Evade Rate +15%

Capabilities
Combo -
Critical -
Arial Slash ( 20 SP ) -
Get Item ( 20 SP ) -
Disc Cutter ( 44 SP ) -
Shadow Binder ( 25 SP ) -
Illusion Slash ( 38 SP ) -

Myam
HP - 2037
SP - 100
MP - 0
STR - 193 ( 393 )
VIT - 174 ( 393 )
INT - 253 ( 253 )
MEN - 261 ( 261 )
AGL - 232 ( 242 )
SPD - 103 ( 131 )

Equipment:
Rapidfire Bowgun - +200 STR, +4 Combo
Black Costume - +83 VIT, Evade Rate +10%
Black Hood - +54 VIT, +10 AGL
Shield Bracelet - +54 VIT
Shadow Leggings - +28 VIT, +28 SPD, Evade Rate +15%

Capabilities
Combo -
Critical -
Spinning Wheel ( 28 SP ) -
Recover All ( 35 SP ) -
Hail Shower ( 46 SP ) -
Cheer Up ( 24 SP ) -
Super Frosty Attack ( 38 SP ) -

Ulk
HP - 0
SP - 100
MP - 0
STR - 0
VIT - 0
INT - 0
MEN - 0
AGL - 0
SPD - 0

Equipment:
Partizan - +244 STR
Phalanx Armour - +100 VIT, -15 SPD
Shadow Helm - +62 VIT, Increases effectiveness of special effect magic ( duration, power, etc. )
Mirror Shield - +56 VIT, Reflects 10% of Physical Damage back at enemy
Golden Greaves - +44 VIT, +10 MEN

Capabilities
Combo -
Critical -
Super Penetration ( 26 SP ) -
Spiral Blow ( 38 SP ) -
Yggdrasil Grace ( 20 SP ) -
Hercules Smash ( 56 SP ) -
Spinning Hurler ( 46 SP ) -

Lutina
HP - 2056
SP - 100
MP - 0
STR - 211 ( 425 )
VIT - 207 ( 447 )
INT - 221 ( 221 )
MEN - 180 ( 190 )
AGL - 251 ( 261 )
SPD - 125 ( 125 )

Equipment:
Xiphos - +214 STR
Dark Armour - +88 VIT, +1 SP gain
Black Hood - +54 VIT, +10 AGL
Shield Bracelet - +54 VIT
Golden Greaves - +44 VIT, +10 MEN

Capabilities
Combo - 279x2 = 558, Physical [One]
Critical - 393x1 = 393. Physical [One]
Dragon Rise ( 24 SP ) - 195x3 + 615x1 = 1200, Physical [One]
Shockwave Slash ( 30 SP ) - 522x3 = 1566, Physical [Around]
Spider Net ( 28 SP ) - Inflicts Stop ~67% [Fan]
Meteor Slash ( 45 SP ) - 434x5 = 2170, Physical [Fan]
Dragon Mirage ( 36 SP ) - 125x9 + 506x3 = 2643, Physical [One]


IV. Averages

HP:
1) Brandol - 2353
2) Evann - 2312
3) Carmyne - 2164
4) Jaid - 2162
5) Lutina - 2056
6) Myam - 2037

VIT:
1) Brandol - 570
2) Carmyne - 470
3) Lutina - 447
4) Evann - 436
5) Jaid - 423
6) Myam - 393

MEN:
1) Myam - 261
2) Jaid - 253
3) Evann - 228
4) Carmyne - 209
5) Lutina - 190
6) Brandol - 170

AGL:
1) Lutina - 261
2) Myam - 242
3) Carmyne - 214
4) Brandol - 211
5t) Evann - 209
5t) Jaid - 209

Damage:



V. Potentially useful other equipment options and accessories ( Only stuff that would actually accomplish something, no +MAG weapons for Ulk, etc.; also, I'm not going for any items far beyond the stuff listed above...sticking with stuff that's unique, but not "after-game" unique )

Weapons:
BlackQuartz Sword - +70 STR, +35 MEN ( Brandol )
Defender Sword - +120 STR, +60 VIT ( Brandol )
Silence Sword - +162 STR, Inflicts Sap Magic ~50% ( Brandol )
Spider Saber - +30 STR, Inflicts Poison ~50% ( Carmyne )
Killer Needle - +42 STR, Inflicts Instant Death ~50% ( Carmyne )
Diefeen Saber - +55 STR, Inflicts Sleep ~50% ( Carmyne )
Mage Masher - +80 STR, +40 MEN, Inflicts Sap Magic ~50% ( Carmyne )
Cassandra - +148 STR, Inflicts Sap Moves ~50%, Wind Element ( Carmyne )
Elfin Saber - +155 STR, Inflicts Paralysis ~50% ( Carmyne )
Prayer Staff - +10 STR, +20 INT, Casts 'Cure' when used ( Jaid )
Aromatic Root - +30, +60 INT, Casts 'Refresh' when used ( Jaid )
Lullaby Staff - +48 STR, Inflicts Sleep ~50% ( Jaid )
Volt Stick - +55 STR, Inflicts Paralysis ~50%, Lightning Element ( Jaid )
Sage's Staff - +60 STR, +120 INT ( Jaid )
Whirlwind Staff - +75 STR, Casts 'Howlslash' when used, Wind Element ( Jaid )
Blazing Staff - +78 STR, Casts 'Burnflame' when used, Fire Element ( Jaid )
Freeze Staff - +144 STR, Casts 'Crackle' when used, Ice Element ( Jaid )
Guardian Staff - +182, Casts "Diggin'' when used ( Jaid )
Poisoned Knife - +40 STR, Inflicts Poison ~50% ( Titto )
Stink Knife - +92 STR, Inflicts Paralysis ~50% ( Titto )
Kafu Shuriken - +160 STR, +40 AGL ( Titto )
Poisoned Arrow - +42 STR, Inflicts Poison ~50% ( Myam )
Elfin Bow - +168 STR, Inflicts Paralysis ~50% ( Myam )
Solid Glaive - +160 STR, +40 AGL ( Ulk )
Sword Breaker - +120 STR, Reduces enemy attack power 50% ( Lutina )
Oblivion Dagger - +155 STR, Inflicts Sap Moves ~50% ( Lutina )

Armour:
BlackQuartz Mail - +40 VIT, +5 MEN, Grants Imunnity to Paralysis status ( Brandol, Ulk )
Pixie's Robe - +44 VIT, +10 MEN, Grants Immunity to Sleep status ( Evann, Carmyne, Jaid, Titto, Myam, Lutina )
Aura Armour - +64 VIT, Boosts Special Move Power by 50% ( Evann, Brandol, Carmyne, Ulk, Lutina )
Holy Clothes - +72 VIT, Grants Immunity to Instant Death ( Evann, Carmyne, Jaid, Titto, Myam, Lutina )
Sacred Robe - +75 VIT, +20 MEN, Grants Immunity to Poison, Paralysis and Illness statuses ( Evann, Jaid, Myam, Lutina )
Sage Robe - +76 VIT, +20 MEN, Grants Immunity to Sap Magic status ( Evann, Jaid, Myam, Lutina )
Black Costume - +83 VIT, Evade Rate +10% ( Evann, Carmyne, Titto, Myam, Lutina )
Paladin Armour - +84 VIT, Extends Length of Positive Stat effects ( Evann, Brandol, Ulk )
Dark Armour - +88 VIT, +1 SP gain ( Evann, Brandol, Carmyne, Ulk, Lutina )

Head:
Pixie Hat - +28 VIT, +5 MEN, Grants Immunity to Confuse status ( Evann, Carmyne, Jaid, Titto, Myam, Lutina )
Priest's Hat - +35 VIT, +6 MEN, Grants Immunity to Sleep and Confuse statuses ( Evann, Jaid, Myam, Lutina )
Magi Hood - +40 VIT, +8 MEN ( Evann, Jaid, Myam, Lutina )
Charisma Helm - +42 VIT, +8 AGL ( Evann, Brandol, Carmyne, Ulk, Lutina )
Knowledge Hat - +48, +10 INT ( Evann, Jaid, Myam, Lutina )
Platinum Helm - +52 VIT, +10 MEN ( Evann, Brandol, Carmyne, Ulk, Lutina )
Paladin Helm - +56 VIT, Shorter Paralysis, Sleep, & Confuse Duration ( Evann, Brandol, Ulk )

Arms:
Sacred Bracelet - +40 VIT, +10 MEN, Grants Immunity to Poison, Sleep, Paralysis, and Confusion statuses ( Evann, Carmyne, Jaid, Titto, Myam, Lutina )
Spiritual Glove - +44 VIT, Grants Immunity to Curse status ( Evann, Myam, Lutina )
Buster Shield - +46 VIT, +15 STR ( Brandol, Jaid, Ulk )
Platinum Bracelt - +48 VIT, +10 MEN ( Evann, Brandol, Carmyne, Jaid, Titto, Ulk, Myam, Lutina )
Paladin Shield - +52 VIT, Shorter Sap Magic, Sap Moves, & Stop Duration ( Evann, Brandol, Jaid, Ulk )

Leggings:
Shadow Leggings - +28 VIT, +28 SPD, Evade Rate +15% ( Evann, Brandol, Carmyne, Jaid, Titto, Ulk, Myam, Lutina )
Paladin Leggings - +32 VIT, Shortens Duration of negative Stat Effects ( Brandol, Carmyne, Ulk, Lutina )
Moonstone Greaves - +40 VIT, Grants Immunity to Stop status ( Brandol, Ulk )

Storebought Status-Blocking/Support Accessories ( Usable by all characters ):
Aqua Charm - Reduces Water-element damage by 50%
Blast Charm - Reduces Explosion-element damage by 50%
Blizzard Charm - Reduces Ice-element damage by 50%
Flame Charm - Reduces Fire-element damage by 50%
Wind Charm - Reduces Wind-element damage by 50%
Earth Charm - Reduces Earth-element damage by 50%
Lightning Charm - Reduces Lightning-element damage by 50%
Forest Charm - Reduces Forest-element damage by 50%
Poison Charm - Grants Immunity to Poison Status
Sleep Charm - Grants Immunity to Sleep Status
Confusion Charm - Grants Immunity to Confusion Status
Paralysis Charm - Grants Immunity to Paralysis Status
Sap Moves Charm - Grants Immunity to Sap Moves Status
Sap Magic Charm - Grants Immunity to Sap Magic Status
Stop Charm - Grants Immunity to Stop Status
Plague Charm - Grants Immunity to Plague Status
Magic Necklace - +20 MEN
Magic Ring - +20 INT
Mirage Earring - +10 SPD, Evade Rate +15%
Defence Ring - +5 VIT, Casts 'Diggin' when used ( ~25% chance of breaking )
Ifrit Ring - +5 VIT, Casts 'Burnflame' when used ( ~25% chance of breaking )
Leather Cape - +10 VIT
Hercules Ring - +10 STR
Divine Talisman - Reduces SP Consumption by 15%
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Re: Grandia Extreme (Or as we like to call it: XTREEEEEEEM!!!111!)
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2008, 01:00:18 AM »
And this post with information from Captain K. Still just as XTREEM.

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Titto and Ulk, using the equipment listed above.

Titto
Attack 186 (426)
Defense 177 (396)
Magic 216 (216)
Immunity 203 (203)
Action 239 (249)
Move 99 (127)


Ulk
Attack 277 (521)
Defense 236 (498)
Magic 182 (182)
Immunity 231 (241)
Action 169 (169)
Move 101 (86)

I'll try to get multipliers for their moves later.

Lutina has no starting equipment whatsoever. Forgot to check the other characters.

It should also be noted that Move is your evade rate in addition to battlefield movement.

EDIT: Forgot to write down HP. Titto should be ~2028, Ulk ~2529

New Averages:

HP:
1) Ulk - 2529
2) Brandol - 2353
3) Evann - 2312
4) Carmyne - 2164
5) Jaid - 2162
6) Lutina - 2056
7) Myam - 2037
8) Titto - 2028

VIT:
1) Brandol - 570
2) Ulk - 498
3) Carmyne - 470
4) Lutina - 447
5) Evann - 436
6) Jaid - 423
7) Titto - 396
8) Myam - 393

MEN:
1) Myam - 261
2) Jaid - 253
3) Ulk - 241
4) Evann - 228
5) Carmyne - 209
6) Titto - 203
7) Lutina - 190
8) Brandol - 170

AGL:
1) Lutina - 261
2) Titto - 249
3) Myam - 242
4) Carmyne - 214
5) Brandol - 211
6t) Evann - 209
6t) Jaid - 209
8) Ulk - 169

SPD:
1) Myam - 131
2) Titto - 127
3) Lutina - 125
4) Evann - 117
5) Carmyne - 107
6) Ulk - 86
7) Jaid - 84
8) Brandol - 61
<napalmman> In Suikoden I, In Chinchirorin, what is it called when you roll three of the same number?
<@Claude> yahtzee

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