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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #325 on: January 11, 2010, 09:19:12 PM »
FE9:

Oliver- 6. Works his role well.
Petrine- 3. Is there.
Black Knight- 7. All he is menacing presence, but....he's a gameplay menacing presense, so this worked really well. I really liked the chapter that was essentially "Make everyone run away from him or DEATH"
Bryce- ?
Ashnard- 6. Works his role well.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #326 on: January 11, 2010, 11:35:29 PM »
FE8:

Selena- I do not really remember her.
Valter- 6/10.  Creepy, effective within that catagory.
Caellech- 5/10.  Doesn't leave a strong impression.  I think FE does this type of character too much for it.
Riev- 4/10.  zzz.
Lyon- 7/10.  He works, seeing evidence for both sides of the possession coin on either route makes him more effective I think.
Fomortiis- 3/10.  Well, someone had to be the OVERLORD!!!   Meh about it though.

FE9:

Oliver- 6/10.  Good intro to the general corruption of the Senate that FE10 picks up on, moreso than anything he himself does.
Petrine- 5/10.  See Caellech
Black Knight- Deferred until FE10.
Bryce- 5/10.  Assuming this is the general midboss on the final map?  See Caellech.
Ashnard- 7/10.  Disclaimer: Based on FE10 info.  FE10 just makes him so very scummy that I have a certain respect for how dedicated the game is to the whole thing.

FE10:

Jarod- 5/10.  Not bad, but I don't have any strong affection for this sort of character.
Ludveck- 5/10.
Valtome- 4/10.  Amusing but eh.
Izuka- 6/10.
Lekain- 7/10.  Maaaaaaan.
Levail- DNR, non-entity.
Zelgius- 6/10.  he works pretty well with the overall themes of the game, and has a good balance between worthy adversary and imposing mountain, but still doesn't do much for me overall.
Dheginsea- 3/10.
Sephiran- 6/10.  I dunno, he's alright.
Ashera- 4/10.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #327 on: January 12, 2010, 12:42:13 AM »
FE8:

Glen: Who? DNR.
Selena: 2/10. God what a stupid cunt.
Valter: 7/10. Okay, Valter is a stereotypical villain sure... but you can practically FEEL how much he revels in it. Just wants to hurt and rape and enjoy it and look creepily good while doing it. Really sticks with me for what an unabashed douche he is. Left a lasting impression.
Caellech: 3/10. Caellach doesn't get the screentime or plot to pull off a good villain.
Riev: 3/10. Rieve did nothing for me.
Lyon: 9/10. Yeah I think he deserves this. Like NEB said, playing both paths lets you see what his goal was and what motivated him to pursue the course he did, and the intrigue between where he ends and the demon king begins is actually neat.
Fomortiis: 5/10 for being a part of the Lyon deal.

FE9:

Oliver: 6/10 for FABULOUSNESS. And getting punched in the face by FREAKING REYSON.
Petrine: 3/10. See NEB's comment here? Duplicate.
Black Knight: 6/10. Imposing figure that commanded some respect. Eh.
Bryce: 4/10. Not enough screentime.
Ashnard: 6/10. What can I say, I liked the brutality of his appearance/character. Kinda like how I liked Luca Blight.

FE10:

Jarod: 9/10. "WE LIVED AS PROUD SOLDIERS OF THE EMPIRE. AND WE WILL DIE AS PROUD SOLDIERS OF THE EMPIRE!" That speech got me pumped up for that fight bigtime, and he's the VILLAIN. Yeah, all things considered he is just a pawn who unwittingly let himself be played by his asshole superiors, but the pure PRIDE shone through to the point where I respected him.
Ludveck: 6/10. Mostly because he seemed so assured of himself and it made it really really enjoyable when he got owned. I suppose one is defined by one's enemies, and Elincia is a bloody fantastic nemesis.
Valtome: 4/10. Did nothing stylish or memorable for me. Was a dick but was one with none of the flair of some other highly-ranked pricks here.
Izuka: 6/10 for being hilariously obvious in his... evilness.
Lekain: 7/10. They make him out to be the most horrible human being ever, and they damn well succeed. The fact that they give so many people speeches right before they get the pleasure of killing him says it all. He and Yuna from BoF4 stand out as probably the biggest assholes in any of the RPGs I have played. BURN TRAITOR.
Levail: DNR
Zelgius: 6/10. Works as Sephiran's Dragon.
Dheginsea: 2/10. Annoying stepping stone with no discernible personality? Check.
Sephiran: 5/10. I am neutral to him. He has a certain style and he isn't exactly some emo guy bent on destroying the world, but his motivations are kind of stupid.
Ashera: DNR. Not really a villain or even a presence worth talking about.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #328 on: January 13, 2010, 02:08:15 AM »
RESULTS! zOMG!

Fire Emblem 8: The Sacred Stones         
         
Glen    4.333333333   (3 raters, 6 DNR)
Selena   3.090909091   (11 raters)   
Valter   5.958333333   (12 raters)   
Caellech   4.333333333   (12 raters)   
Riev   4   (12 raters)   
Lyon   6.5   (10 raters, 1 DNR)
Fomortiis   3.818181818   (11 raters)   
         
Fire Emblem 9: Path of Radiance         
         
Oliver   6.090909091   (11 raters)   
Petrine   3.590909091   (11 raters)   
Black Knight   5.5   (10 raters)   
Bryce   3.5   (6 raters, 2 DNR)
Ashnard   4.818181818   (11 raters)   
         
Fire Emblem 10: Radiant Dawn         
         
Jarod   6.857142857   (7 raters)   
Ludveck   4.333333333   (6 raters, 1 DNR)
Valtome   3.571428571   (7 raters)   
Izuka   5.714285714   (7 raters)   
Lekain   6.928571429   (7 raters)   
Levail   2   (1 rater, 6 DNR)
Zelgius   5.833333333   (6 raters)   
Dheginsea   2.333333333   (6 raters)   
Sephiran   4.714285714   (7 raters)   
Ashera   3.4   (5 raters, 1 DNR)

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #329 on: January 13, 2010, 02:17:25 AM »
Top ten highest ranked villains:
1. Delita(FFT): 9.04, 12 rankers. (3 DNR)
2. Irving Vold Valeria(WA2): 9.00, 16 rankers.
3. Dycedarg(FFT): 7.86, 15 rankers.
4. Charlton(WAXF): 7.82, 11 rankers.
5. Magus(CT): 7.75, 12 rankers. (1 DNR)
6. Bangaa(FFTA2): 7.66, 3 rankers.
7. Jecht(FFX): 7.30, 15 rankers. (3 DNR)
8. Katrina: 7.22, 9 rankers. (1 DNR)
9. Reno(FF7):  7.21, 21 rankers.
10. Ghaleon(Lunar1): 7.11, 9 rankers.

Top ten lowest ranked villains
1. Kresnik(WA4): 1.47, 13 rankers. (6 DNR)
2. Volsung(WA5): 1.64, 14 rankers. (1 DNR)
3. Time Devourer(CC): 1.875, 8 rankers.
4. Zemus/Zeromus(FF4): 1.88, 17 rankers.
5. Amon(Lufia 1): 2.00, 8 rankers.
6. Medeus (FE11): 2.00, 3 rankers.
7. Lunn(Lunar2): 2.11, 9 rankers.
8. Necron(FF9): 2.13, 22 rankers.
9. Zoma (DW3/DQ3): 2.25, 4 rankers.
10. Amon(Lufia 2): 2.26, 15 rankers.

Games ranked:

FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10, FF12, FFT, FFTA, FFTA2, WA1, WA2, WA3, WA4, WA5, WA:XF, Lufia 1, Lufia 2, Lufia 3, DW1, DW2, DW3, DW4/DQ4, Lunar1, Lunar2, CT, CC, FE11, FE6, FE7, FE8, FE9, FE10


Next up is a series we all care so much about: Breath of Fire! First and Second installments.
I've not played more than a few minutes of the first two BoF games, so these villain suggestions were selected from chat. If we've missed anyone, please let us know quickly so I can add them.

Breath of Fire 1

Cort
Cerl
Mote
Goda
Jade
Zog
Tyr/Myria

Breath of Fire II

Augus
Joker
Kuwadora
Trout
MC Tusk
Shupkay
Aruhamel
Necroman
Habaruku
Barubary
DeathEvans

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #330 on: January 13, 2010, 06:43:38 AM »
Breath of Fire 1

As a big fan of BoF1, fuck its bit villains.

Cort: DNR
Cerl: DNR
Mote: DNR. Has notably more than than the other generals but yeaaah.
Goda: DNR.
Jade: 6/10. He did the "backstab your superior by manipulating the party" thing and did nothing notably bad otherwise (unlike, say, WA1 Ziekfried, who is pretty much a shout out).
Zog: 3/10. Rar, emperor. On second thought, he may have even less going for him than Mote.
Tyr/Myria: 4/10. Gets a bonus point for the "will you be my friend?" thing. It's creepy.

Write-in: Sara: 6/10. Considering her big scene is clearly antagonistic, not sure why she was excluded. Anyway, it made for a sad scene I found reasonably effective, so despite being limited, this works.

Breath of Fire II

Augus: 3/10. EVIL ARENA MANAGER.
Joker: 2/10. EVIL CRIME LORD.
Kuwadora: 5/10. Okay, his master plan is to beat you in a cooking contest, that's pretty cool.
Trout: 3/10. Epic boss fight!
MC Tusk: DNR. EVIL CIRCUS MANAGER.
Shupkay: 3/10. EVIL FEMALE MONKEY.
Aruhamel: DNR. EVIL DEBILITATING MENTAL ILLNESS.
Necroman: DNR. EVIL PRIEST.
Habaruku: 5/10. Is the main villain, but I don't give a damn.
Barubary: 3/10. EVIL RANDOMLY IN THE START OF THE GAME.
DeathEvans: 6/10. Poet!

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #331 on: January 13, 2010, 08:20:32 AM »
Breath of Fire 1

Don't care about the scrubs.

Jade: 7. Entertain me!
Zog: 2. Blank archetype.
Tyr/Myria: 2. Absolutely no reason to care until two games later.

Breath of Fire II

Don't care about the scrubs.

Habaruku: 4. Well, at least he's an active presence. Had one good scene near endgame.
Barubary: 5. I liked the "nightmare demon from your childhood haunts your dreams" concept. BoF2 of course proceeds to do nothing with it until at the end of the game you're like "hey, it's that guy" and fight him. Oh well.
DeathEvans: 6. Poet! Also genuinely threatening for roughly 30 seconds.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #332 on: January 13, 2010, 09:49:23 AM »
Breath of Fire 1

Cort: The ugly one! 3. Was kind of there?
Cerl: Half emu/half preying mantis. With boobs! 2. Kind of grating story.
Mote: The ugly one. Don't remember him.
Goda: Was he a toad?
Jade: 6. Cool strategy, but I guess I cared a lot more when it was Ziek (Probably because I saw Ziek as having a more legit reason to try it)
Zog: 3
Tyr/Myria: 3

Breath of Fire II

Augus: I forgot
Joker: I forgot
Kuwadora: I forgot
Trout: I forgot
MC Tusk: I forgot
Shupkay: 2. Oh, I do remember you though.l
Aruhamel: He eat my memory of the game. (I only remember about the last 1/3 and parts of the first third as existing)
Necroman: Oh, he existed, but he was in the part of BoF 2 that I wiped out on.
Habaruku: 8. I'll admit, my memory on BoF 2 was hazy. But I remember him being a semi effective bastard, and that I remembered him enough plotwise for me to think he merited a rank for a damn long time.
Barubary: 2. Dream demon who randomly appears later.
DeathEvans: 4. +1 for poetry. Is nonexistant otherwise.
Yeah, need to replay this, since I actually kind of liked it (But...maybe only because I erased most of the games in my memory)
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #333 on: January 13, 2010, 04:42:12 PM »
Breath of Fire 1

Cort: DNR
Cerl: 3/10
Mote: DNR
Goda: DNR
Jade: 4/10.
Zog: 4/10
Tyr/Myria 2/10.

Breath of Fire II

Augus: 4/10.
Joker: DNR
Kuwadora: DNR
Trout: 5/10.
MC Tusk: DNR
Shupkay: DNR, burn Highfort.
Aruhamel: Who?
Necroman: DNR
Habaruku: 6/10. His few scenes are solid.
Barubary: 8/10. I really like the concept and Barubary  manages to be creepy. If only he had more screentime.
DeathEvans: 7/10.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #334 on: January 13, 2010, 06:56:29 PM »
Breath of Fire 1

Mote - 4/10 - 8 BIT VILLAIN
Jade - 2/10 uh... whatever.
Zog - 2/10 yep
Tyr/Myria 2/10 ok

Breath of Fire II

Augus - 3/10 - +1 for the half-naked MC guy before him.
Joker - 2/10 - fat
Kuwadora - 6/10 - His master plan was to take over a kingdom of frogs who really didn't give a shit that he was taking over. Awesome.
Trout - 2/10 - also fat
MC Tusk DNR
Shupkay DNR whatever monkeys
Aruhamel - Okay. Alzheimer would get at least an 8/10 or something from me if they'd done anything with him besides "oh hey Ryu by the way I WAS THE ONE WHO CAUSED EVERYONE TO FORGET TEE HEE" that was a really, really major plot point that they just fucked over.
Necroman - DNR
Habaruku - 3/10 - +1 for the cathedral music or something
Barubary - 4/10 - I would have loved to see him show up more. I didn't really understand what they were going with for him.
DeathEvans - 7/10 - Nikanoru

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« Reply #335 on: January 14, 2010, 03:26:02 PM »
Breath of Fire 1

Mote 2/10 - There.  WOULDN'T DIE.  FUCK YOU YOUR FIGHT TAKES TOO LONG.
Jade 4/10 - Gets more points than Zog on the basis that he actually did stuff.
Zog 3/10 - Uh...he's evil!  And weak to magic.
Tyr/Myria 2/10 - Halfway to Space Flea status in this game.

Breath of Fire II

Augus - 3/10 DOGLIKE
Joker - 2/10 FAT THIEF
Kuwadora - Tries to take over a kingdom of frog people who don't give a shit by rigging a cooking contest.  7/10.
Trout - FUCK YES YOU ARE THE BEST BOSS FIGHT EVER.  Oh wait, no.  ATTACKS YOUR MONEY.  5/10 on that.
MC Tusk - DNR
Shupkay - 2/10 monkey
Aruhamel - DNR.  Could've done better if he had more plot presence.
Necroman - DNR
Habaruku - 4/10.  Got rid of the excuse for Katt to be removed from my party.  I prefer having Katt in my party, so he gets brownie points.
Barubary - 4/10. He had presence and his own boss theme.  BoF2 plot being what it is, though, he doesn't appear at all.  Had nice potential, though.
DeathEvans - 6/10.  POETRY.  And explosions.  Explosions are fun.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #336 on: January 15, 2010, 11:43:20 PM »
Breath of Fire 1

Cort - 5/10 for mad science
Cerl - 2/10 for repentance
Mote - 7/10 for torturing Mogu
Goda - DNR for nonexistence
Jade - 7/10 for style
Zog - 7/10 for world domination
Tyr/Myria - 2/10 for reputation

Breath of Fire II

Augus - 1/10 for greed
Joker - don't remember enough
Kuwadora - don't remember enough
Trout - don't remember enough
MC Tusk - don't remember enough
Shupkay - don't remember enough
Aruhamel - 7/10 for mindtaking
Necroman - don't remember enough
Habaruku - 8/10 for brainwashing
Barubary - 2/10 for child molestation
DeathEvans - 4/10 for shattering people

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #337 on: January 29, 2010, 05:12:07 AM »
Thrilling results from our 7-person voting pool!

We have a new failure record. It's the first time a character has gotten -no- ranking votes at all. Pure DNR. And not just one, but three of them!

Breath of Fire 1         
      
Cort   4   (2 raters, 2 DNR)
Cerl   2.333333333   (3 raters, 1 DNR)
Mote   4.333333333   (3 raters, 2 DNR)
Goda   NA   (0 raters, 3 DNR)

Jade   5.142857143   (7 raters)   
Zog   3.428571429   (7 raters)   
Tyr/Myria   2.428571429   (7 raters)   
         
Breath of Fire II         
         
Augus   2.8   (5 raters)   
Joker   2   (3 raters, 1 DNR)
Kuwadora   6   (3 raters, 1 DNR)

Trout   3.75   (4 raters)   
MC Tusk   NA   (0 raters, 4 DNR)
Shupkay   2.333333333   (3 raters, 2 DNR)
Aruhamel   7.5   (2 raters, 2 DNR)
Necroman   NA   (0 raters, 4 DNR)

Habaruku   5.428571429   (7 raters)   
Barubary   4   (7 raters)   
DeathEvans   5.714285714   (7 raters)   

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #338 on: January 29, 2010, 05:25:40 AM »
Top ten highest ranked villains:
1. Delita(FFT): 9.04, 12 rankers. (3 DNR)
2. Irving Vold Valeria(WA2): 9.00, 16 rankers.
3. Dycedarg(FFT): 7.86, 15 rankers.
4. Charlton(WAXF): 7.82, 11 rankers.
5. Magus(CT): 7.75, 12 rankers. (1 DNR)
6. Bangaa(FFTA2): 7.66, 3 rankers.
7. Jecht(FFX): 7.30, 15 rankers. (3 DNR)
8. Katrina: 7.22, 9 rankers. (1 DNR)
9. Reno(FF7):  7.21, 21 rankers.
10. Ghaleon(Lunar1): 7.11, 9 rankers.

Top ten lowest ranked villains
1. Kresnik(WA4): 1.47, 13 rankers. (6 DNR)
2. Volsung(WA5): 1.64, 14 rankers. (1 DNR)
3. Time Devourer(CC): 1.875, 8 rankers.
4. Zemus/Zeromus(FF4): 1.88, 17 rankers.
5. Amon(Lufia 1): 2.00, 8 rankers.
6. Medeus (FE11): 2.00, 3 rankers.
7. Lunn(Lunar2): 2.11, 9 rankers.
8. Necron(FF9): 2.13, 22 rankers.
9. Zoma (DW3/DQ3): 2.25, 4 rankers.
10. Amon(Lufia 2): 2.26, 15 rankers.

Games ranked:

FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10, FF12, FFT, FFTA, FFTA2, WA1, WA2, WA3, WA4, WA5, WA:XF, Lufia 1, Lufia 2, Lufia 3, DW1, DW2, DW3, DW4/DQ4, Lunar1, Lunar2, CT, CC, FE11, FE6, FE7, FE8, FE9, FE10, BoF1, BoF2


And now, for something with possible merit! Breath of Fire the Third and Fourth editions!

Breath of Fire III

Balio
Sunder
Teepo
Myria

Breath of Fire IV

Kahn
Yohm
Rasso
Yuna
Emperor Soniel
Won-Qu & A-Tur
Fou-Lu


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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #339 on: January 29, 2010, 06:59:42 AM »
Breath of Fire III

Balio - 5: Competent, amusing sub-boss pair.
Sunder - 5: But seriously, like I could tell these two apart more than a decade after the game's release?
Teepo - 8: His reason for fighting the PCs is non-idiotic, yet killing him is sad.
Myria - 6: In her defense, should have been far, far worse.

Breath of Fire IV

Kahn - 5: Incompetent amusing sub-boss.
Yohm - 4: Unmemorable, competent serious sub-boss.
Rasso - 4: Unmemorable, incompetent serious sub-boss.
Yuna - 9: I've never come close to hating a video game character more.  He's basically the same character as Hojo, but I cared more about Nina4, Fou-Lu and Cray (and by extension Mami and especially Elina) than I did about Aerith, Sephiroth or Vincent.  And, the fucking son of a bitch gets away with it!  SO MUCH HATE.  The only character I've written revenge fic about.  Physically impossible revenge fic, because that log Cray carries is wider than Yuna's body, so ramming it - ahem.  Anyway, to make me hate him so very, very much he has to be an effective villain, right?
Emperor Soniel - 2: Exists.
Won-Qu & A-Tur - 5: Cool-looking, competent sub-bosses.
Fou-Lu - 10: DNR?  Most sympathetic final boss EVAR, yet fighting him still makes sense, so I think he deserves to be on the list.  He brings the awesome on every level, he's a great character, and he's a reasonably tough fight to boot.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #340 on: January 29, 2010, 07:11:54 AM »
Breath of Fire III

Balio: 8/10. I really like Balio and Sunder. I found them truly menacing. The Kartikeyas and Luca Blights of the world could learn something from these guys. Badass warriors don't fear villains. 10-year old children? Oh god. I just got into the child Ryu arc and remember being actively scared that these dudes were going to catch me.
Sunder: Balio is the serious one and Sunder is the comic relief, for the record. 7/10 because I like their serious side more, though I appreciated the humour too.
Teepo: 6/10. He's good, but... one scene.
Myria: 7/10. She's good, but... one scene. Found it a more impactful scene however.

Breath of Fire IV

Kahn: 7.5/10. The sailor sequence is wonderful.
Yohm: 9. Yohm rules. I have said it before and I will say it again, I don't think Fou-Lu works nearly as well without Yohm. Fou-Lu needs an opponent who can test him, who can keep Fou on his toes while he tries to complete his mission. Yohm delivers. And I loved the angle they ran with him. He's not some arrogant toady (see his deliberate foil, Rasso). He has massive respect for Fou-Lu and takes him seriously. This, -again-, helps build up Fou in the player's mind... the imperial general is going to these lengths? And he always had a certain grace about him. His death scene definitely made an impact on me.
Rasso: 5/10. Well, I can't complain about him since he serves his purpose well, but there's little to like about him personally. Gets owned.
Yuna: Y'know what? I could rant here, but honestly, aside from the fact that I didn't write a revenge fic, I agree with Mr. Cranbud completely. So I won't. Yuna is a complete bastard, he engineers one of the most horrifying scenes in an RPG, and him escaping is a dick move. EDIT: Oh, rating. 8.5/10 works.
Emperor Soniel: 3/10. Has only one scene where he gets owned badly. I dunno. I like his role in the plot but that's about it.
Won-Qu & A-Tur: 3/10. They're cool fights, but they ain't characters.
Fou-Lu: 9.5/10. For some reason I am reluctant to give him a 10, but yeaaah. Easily the best RPG character of his archetype. The game totally SELLS you on his belief that humans are bad. His conflict with the party makes perfect sense, because we have seen both sides and we understand how both came to this conclusion. I'd give him a 10 if I was happier with the final conflict itself (man, combine BoF3's final confrontation with BoF4's writing otherwise and that's an 11/10 villain right there). Still exemplifies his style of villain and his story told in parallel with Ryu's is what makes BoF4 as memorable a game as it is.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #341 on: January 29, 2010, 05:39:32 PM »
Breath of Fire III

Balio 0/10. Sure, they're assholes, but they're the sort of assholes that are irritating and make you not want to play any further. The entire childhood arc of BoF3 has this problem and these two are the worst part of it. The trials may make sense and they may be done well, but they're just not fun.
Sunder 0/10.
Teepo 4/10. Worked for what he was, but needed to show up more than he did.
Myria 2/10. Blah blah blah brood blah blah blah desert blah blah blah shut up.

Breath of Fire IV

Kahn 0/10 - Unfunny gimmick. Terrible character.
Yohm 8/10. Not bad, a soldier who has a pig of a job and is willing to try anything to do it. See Elfboy past that, he's probably the best character in the game on reflection.
Rasso 1/10. Blah blah blah.
Yuna: 7/10. Points for being an asshole and getting away with it, even if it was because of the story being fucked up.
Emperor Soniel: 1/10. Who cares?
Won-Qu & A-Tur: 1/10: Bleh.
Fou-Lu: 7/10.  I don't have much sympathy for Fou-Lu. I could follow him until he decided genocide was the answer. He's still a solid character.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #342 on: January 29, 2010, 05:59:21 PM »
Breath of Fire III

Balio - 5/10 - Let's burn down kids' houses and go all hihihihihi about it. Wait, what?
Sunder - 5/10 - See Balio.
Teepo - 2/10 - What? He's... a villain?
Myria - 1/10 - Comes around near the end, goes emo, gets told by a walking onion.

Man, BoF 3 really has villains who only come around for one fight, huh...?

Breath of Fire IV

Kahn - DNR - Comedy relief.
Yohm - 8/10 - Likeable. Does the "on opposing sides but not a jerk about it" well.
Rasso - 6/10 - Oh, the bastard who killed the summoner kids. Right. Until that scene, doesn't really register as dangerous/competent. His moment of JERK only lasts him all of two minutes.
Yuna - 7/10 - Now, see, here's someone who does the entire jerk routine and runs with it. Literally.
Emperor Soniel - 1/10 - Meh.
Won-Qu & A-Tur - DNR - Not really villains, just Fou-Lu's henchies who do as he says. They don't even have motivation beyond "Fou-Lu told us to guard this."
Fou-Lu - 9/10 - Yep. Pretty much the greatest villain BoF produced. IMO. The scary part is that I actually sympathise and agreed with him at the game ending. Humans are bastards.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #343 on: January 29, 2010, 08:59:19 PM »
Breath of Fire III

Balio - 8/10. See the Elf. Everything I would want to say here, phrased more eloquently.
Sunder - 7/10. Was definately Balio's sidekick, so gets a point reduction.
Teepo - 5/10. Yeah, needed to have more presance.
Myria - 7/10. Worked well enough, I think.

Breath of Fire IV

Kahn - 7/10. As joke bosses go, he's at least funny.
Yohm - 9/10. Yeah, really good way to write a fairly noble antagonist. Also definately agree with the Elf on how he does so much to build up Fou-lu.
Rasso - 5/10. Barely remember him, so average works.
Yuna - 9/10. So much hate. BoF4 did a really great job of writing both noble and despicable villians.
Emperor Soniel - 3/10. Yeah, agree with the "meh" sentiments.
Won-Qu & A-Tur - DNR. Really don't deserve thier own spots as "Villians" I think.
Fou-Lu - 10/10. Deifnately one of the all time greats, for me.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #344 on: January 30, 2010, 12:31:44 AM »
Breath of Fire IV

Note:  I stopped playing shortly after it was clear there were no more Fou Lu sections (though I spoiled and looked up the script for the final confrontation at one point).  I'm going from very vague memory and probably praise and condemn too much.  I also don't give a shit.

Kahn - 1: Meeple.
Yohm - 9: As I'll touch on in a bit, three words: Fou Lu scenario.  So here we have a realistic (in motive and actions), intelligent-yet-tragic character instead of retarded, one-dimensional, cliched pastiches.
Rasso - 4: Retarded, one-dimensional, cliched pastiche.
Yuna - 9: Once again, Fou Lu scenario.  Go go gadget sociopath.  Not sure I find it that credible but bonus points for being ballsy enough to let someone so vicious go free in a god damn RPG.
Emperor Soniel - 2: Well okay I guess the side villain of the scenario can suck and I won't care.
Won-Qu & A-Tur - Abstain: Didn't play through enough to fight/see them.
Fou-Lu - 10.  Only BoF Character I liked AND thought was well written.  As soon as the sections where you play as Fou Lu ended, the game lost any allure for me.  It's almost like Capcom had the team that made the other BoF games write the Ryu scenario, while they got someone who is a better storyteller to write something worth paying attention to.  If BoF4 was as well written the entire way through it would probably be higher up on my rankings.

EDIT:  Hey random question:  Have we done the Mother series (at least Earthbound and 3)?  I'm not about to skim the topic to check. 
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #345 on: January 30, 2010, 01:26:21 AM »
Breath of Fire III

Balio - Whee bully.  I can understand the fear angle but that doesn't really make them great.  4/10
Sunder - See Balio.  4/10
Teepo - Abstain
Myria - Abstain

Breath of Fire IV

Kahn - Good comedic relief.  6/10
Yohm - Pretty much agree with NEB.  He knows what he's up against and doesn't dick around.  Pretty hard not to respect that.  8/10
Rasso - CHEEKS OF STEEL. *ahem* Exists to be not only owned, but to be owned by Nina.  gj man.  2/10.
Yuna - Supreme asshole.  He's behind some of the nastiest stuff in the game and works because of it.  Don't remember him all that well but I remember his well enough to consider him good at his role.  6/10
Emperor Soniel - Pretty much exists as a background figure.  2/10.
Won-Qu & A-Tur - DNR, see Gate/Bardiche.
Fou-Lu - Awesome stuff all around.  Likely one of the best RPG villains if not THE best.  His scenario was all-around well written and the Hex Cannon scene does a damn good job at making you sympathise with him.  9.5/10

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #346 on: January 30, 2010, 03:29:31 AM »
Breath of Fire III

Balio: 5. Eh, too goofy in design for me to consider them any better.
Sunder: 5.
Teepo: 6. Agh. I really, really want to give him a higher score but the game gives no justification for it. Damn it. Another dropped angle.
Myria: 7. I s'pose.

Breath of Fire IV

Kahn: 7. MAN OF THE SEA. *lensflare, dolphin jump*
Yohm: 7. Mm. On paper very good, but kind of lost presence as game went on and then it was like "oh, that guy" when it was time for final confrontation.
Rasso: 3. Okay, one point for CHEEKS OF STEEL.
Yuna: 10. Despicable bastard with internally consistent motives and him getting away with it did not feel like a cheap writer's whim, but him actually playing smart. Major props to BoF4 villain writing.
Emperor Soniel: 2. Setpiece.
Won-Qu & A-Tur: DNR. Rar I am a dog.
Fou-Lu: 10. Yeah, he's basically the best.
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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #347 on: February 06, 2010, 12:01:00 AM »
Kahn - 6/10. Decently good comic relief villain. Could be better, but this style is usually done much worse, so I won't complain.
Yohm - 9/10. Yes. This is the reason I cared about the Fou-Lu scenarios. When Fou-Lu's sections went in with Mami, I could not give a shit about what happened. Take away any conflict and the plot becomes stale. This guy? Made the conflict. Made you care about Fou-Lu. Would go to any length to kill Fou-Lu. And then, to top it all off, it's just his duty? He's doing all of that because he was told to? Honestly seems like a completely heartless villain, and I think that's better than the ones who have their own motivations a lot of the time.
Rasso - 7/10. In the first half of the game? Ultimate. Dick. I hated this guy, and he was damn good at what he did. Comes across as mildly incompetent after a while, and it starts curving downhill from there - he gets cut off pretty quickly after that, though.
Yuna - Not agreeing with the AMAZING VILLAIN ZOMFG hype here, but he works for what he is. He is a dick of a scientist, but it seems to me like they tried too much here. If they needed a villain in a scenario? Here comes Yuna. The fact that they made him really over-the-top taunting and evil was good, and the fact they made him shy away from fights left, right and centre was good, but the two don't work well together - not without him actually getting screwed over by his taunting, at least. And a lack of care for Elina (since they, y'know, never introduce her) makes that scene a little pointless, although Cray's reaction made it good. I guess I can go with a 9/10 here, if only because I can see the strengths, but... I honestly think they tried too much here, and some of it falls through.
Emperor Soniel - 1/10. Sends people to do stuff for him, they fail, he dies. Whoops.
Won-Qu & A-Tur - 2/10. I like them, but they don't really do much, do they? "YOU MUST NOT PASS OH LOOK YOU BEAT US NOW WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE YOU CAN PASS." The End.
Fou-Lu - Ehh. In all honesty? As with Yuna, I don't see where the hype comes from. Good, sure, but nothing special. I found him pretty fun as a PC, but he wasn't an effective villain in the slightest and I had little attachment to his character once Yohm was no longer a major threat. I'll say 7/10, but that's mostly for seeing the development of PC Fou-Lu, as much as I didn't think it was great.

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #348 on: February 06, 2010, 01:08:54 PM »
Breath of Fire III

Balio & Sunder - 4/10 for general incompetence
Teepo - 3/10 for being effectively brainwashed
Myria - 3/10 for theoretically good intentions

Breath of Fire IV

Kahn - DNR, not a villain
Yohm - 8/10 for general competence
Rasso - 8/10 for reprehensibility
Yuna - 9/10 for reprehensibility to the max
Emperor Soniel - 5/10 for hubris
Won-Qu & A-Tur - DNR, not villains
Fou-Lu - ............2/10 for bad judgement/DNR, not a villain

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Re: Rate the bad guys! (Spoilers, duh.)
« Reply #349 on: February 07, 2010, 07:28:33 PM »
Breath of Fire III

Balio, Sunder: 6/10. They are okay.
Teepo 7/10. Quite good I think, a little short on development though.
Myria 9/10. I think she works because she's a mommy figure and it's believable.

Breath of Fire IV

Kahn 2/10. MEH.
Yohm 7/10
Rasso: 3/10.
Yuna: 9/10.
Emperor Soniel: 5/10. He's good for what he is; incompetent.
Won-Qu & A-Tur: what
Fou-Lu: 10/10. Best villain ever :)
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