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In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« on: March 31, 2010, 12:00:05 AM »
Ryu3 12, Yuri1 1
Revya 1, Falsetto 0
Rolf 4, Lich 2
Deis 11, Orlandu 4

Nina4 7, Shania 4
Terra 11, X 1
Arnaud 6, Jerin 4
Ephraim 8, Toadstool 7

Albert 6, Guy 5 (Snowfire tiebreak)
Vitali 7, Bowser 1
Arche 7, Rei 2
Aika 6, Luc 2

Moulder 5, Gilder 3
Massimo 6, Junpei 2
Goto 3, Zhuzhen 3
Duran 8, Cyan 2

Malak 9, Sneff 8 (Eph tiebreak)
Mime 11, Maria 2
Dragon Master 7, Ornan 0
Koroku 11, Edward 1

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Zemeckis (Brig)
Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5)
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN)
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2)

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4)
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6)
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Vitali (SN)
Aika (SoA) vs Arche Klein (ToP)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4)
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1)
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3)

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7)
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1)
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT)
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3)
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 12:07:57 AM »
Godlike:

Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5)- Yuna's meatshielding trumps Hero's random control.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN)- Open to arguments on this one.
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2)- Go away, Rolf.

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4)- As good as Levin is, he can't compete with Alena's crazy offense/speed mix.
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6)
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD)- Zidane's not uber, but he is better than a PC I found largely to be bad for most of the game.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8)- Better healer.
Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Vitali (SN)- Vitali's probably a Heavy on reflection. Oh well.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vsKain Highwind (FF4)- Solid vs benchbait.
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1)
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM)- Massimo strikes me as the cast LVP. He has uses, but he is in light for a reason.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3)- Duran actively makes your party worse, Zhuzhen is useful.

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7)- I made the effort to get Karla. She's bad, but Adam transcends bad.
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT)- I am sorely tempted to vote Malak, but... no. Mime's failure is all encompassing.
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3)- Dragon Master remains astoundingly terrible. Go look at the DL average damage curve and see just how far down it he falls. Yeaaaaaaaaah. He has some of the worst damage output in the entire game, and doesn't boast good resists or stats or anything else to go with it. Koroku has a marginally useful skill and doesn't actively cost you money to recruit and take the entire game to build up to, which is far more than Dragon Master can say.

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45t. Dragon Master: 39*2 (78)
45t. Devil: 39*2 (78)
45t. Evil One: 39*2 (78)

49. Nixie: 35*2 (70)
50t. Eagleman: 31*2 (62)
50t. Ravenman: 31*2 (62)
50t. Sylph: 31*2, 62x1 (62)
53. Seraph: 29*2 (58)
55. Witch: 20*2 (40)

Devils, Nixies, Sylphs, Serphs, Witches have slightly worse damage, but have MT attacks that are actually useful. Eaglemen/Ravenmen give you low sky movement if you use all small units, making them valuable for the transporting; they also have high agilit. The other two classes left are Evil Ones (who are awful, but at least tank), and the aforementioned loser class. Fail.
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 12:14:18 AM »
Godlike:

Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5)-Different ends of Godlike.

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4) - Insert usual Levin hype about him being the most important random-slayer AND boss-slayer AND speedy in a game that hugely rewards it.  Alena's good but you could replace her with Ragnar and it is not a huge deal.
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - Now this is a good match.  Both you could theoretically do without, but it'd be really painful.  Both are in largely easy games, though with a few rough spots where their abilities matter a bunch.  Hmm.  Much as WA4 bosses without Shut Out / Slow Down would be painful, I think Ephraim's ability to basically solo - in a large cast game - is more impressive here, as Arnaud's damage definitely needs work.

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD) - Has some durability.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8) - Uh.  MT healing in a game where this is rare (yes Guv but he's often busy), late revival, and solid support.  Alice is good but has a notable weakness (SP), only gets damage late, and her rivals' ST healing isn't bad in a 3-person party game.
Aika (SoA) vs Arche Klein (ToP)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3) - I guess?  Duran is nothing special, but doesn't actively hurt your team.  Zhuzen is usable but that durability is a problem.

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT) - Required vs. a pain, both equally useless.
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3) - I will buy the "does not steal all your $$$" hype.  Plus Koroku Freeze on bosses hype?!

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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 12:15:34 AM »
Godlike:

Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5) - No contest.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN) - No contest here either.
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2) - uuuuuuuh

Heavy:

Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1) - MVP vs. non-MVP.
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - oh hell
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - Case of an 8 vs. a 9.

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD) - Zidane for Light.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8) - mmmmm. Second-best PC vs. non-second-best PC. On the other hand, the gap here isn't nearly as notable, given how much of a chasm there is between Yuri and Alice...
Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Vitali (SN) - Different tiers of Middle here.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4) - Time for Kain to stop coasting.
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1) - Game-worst PC vs. non-game-worst PC. Gala probably shouldn't have gotten this far to me.
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM) - um.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3) - sjdh.

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7) - For the love of FUCK.
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1) - Just say no.
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT) - Okay, this is easy because Mime is like one of the worst ever.
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3) - HE'S JUST AS EASY TO GET AS LICH
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 12:35:02 AM »
Godlike:

Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5)
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN)

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4)
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6)
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8)-Angelo is better early, Alice is better late. Alice is still solid early on, but Sage Stones, Hustle and Omniheal really make Angelo pretty obsolete late in the game.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3)

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT)

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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 12:46:10 AM »
Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Zemeckis (Brig) - Huh, this is a pretty good match right here.  On the one hand, Esgares pretty much fails at having decent knights and aside from being a good combat unit, Zemeckis brings both godly rune area and what, 300+ rune power?  Yeah, he's completely essential, more so that any other monarch is to their country.  On the other hand, Immunize is broken as fuck and EO1 Medic can get good damage as well in Caduceus, and while you might theorhetically do without a Medic, I'm not sure why the hell you'd want to.  Medic needs some time to get that good, however, whereas Zemeckis is good right out of the box... hmmm.  Leaning Medic because Immunize is that goddamn silly.

Heavy:

Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - Nina4 is good, but Terra's just good at everything.

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD) - Seconding Snow.  Zidane's skillset is ass untranced and FF9 Steal works every other never in my experience.  2nd best basic physical is also kinda hard to care about since FF9 randoms tend to be bad outside of the ones that have (easily blockable) fatal status.  Meru isn't that great either since she takes a while to build up but eh.  Also LoD fails at punishing Meru's assy durability forever >_>.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4) - First Aid > anything Kain had.

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7) - Karla can do more than one point of damage, at least.
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1) - What is this.
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT) - Yeah, not even Malak's failure can reach that of Mime's.
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 12:47:20 AM »
Godlike:

could probably vote Ryu vs. Revya, would vote Revya (you need her to -access- the rest of your team, so yeah) but.

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4)
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1) - First vote I feel like defending. LoL2 emphasizes speed/damage/twinking way too much, Sharon's awesome at going for all three.
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - Gut.
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - uh

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4) - bigger niche
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1) - forced.
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM) - bigger niche
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3) - bigger niche

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1)
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT)
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3)

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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 01:49:00 AM »
Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4): Yeah you can replace her with Ragnar if you feel like letting one extra enemy attack per battle. Often two, since Alena has more offence. Pfft to her being the more replaceable character of the two here.
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1): Now if this were Nina4...
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6): I think. Always stands out, Terra not so much. Both 9's though.
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8): Can't beat Eph without being an MVP yourself.

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD): ingame meru durability antihype that is rich
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8): Both lag midgame then get better lategame for exactly the same reason. Alice, however, has a competent earlygame (healing! Blessed Light is fine damage!) and Angelo is LVP until he gets Falconslash and with his skill point gains that takes a while.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4): Champ.
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM): Durability and Berserk Charge > OMG ONLY PERSON WHO CAN HEAL FOR THE FIRST THREE MAPS because they totally don't get raped by Eirika and Seth or anything.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3): Duran is closer to Angelo than Zhuzhen is to Alice.

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7): Oh good lord. At least Karla breaks defence.
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1): Further behind the curve of competent stats.
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT): SFF
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 03:46:52 AM »
Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Zemeckis (Brig)- No vote.
Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5)
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN)- Arghle.  Stupid "how much should I count gameplay necessity".  Hmmmph.  Hell with it.  There's a point where Revya's team going alone is pretty viable, which in turn limits the value of gameplay necessity.  So, ironically, the ability to 'solo' devalues her.  Heh.  Or I'm voting for sanity.  Either way.
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2)- No vote.

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4)- Hm.  On the one hand, the Elf's right; replacing Alena means you take extra damage, straight up.  DQ randoms come in sufficent quantities that this is valuable.  On the other hand, Levin's MVP in a more challenging game.  On the third hand, XF has other means of breaking it... hm.
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6)
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD)- Zidane's alright... Meru's probaby MVP.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8)- Angelo felt a bit lackluster until he got Multiheal.  This might be my own fault for raising staves, but hey, I knows what I knows.
Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Vitali (SN)
Aika (SoA) vs Arche Klein (ToP)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4)
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1)- No vote.
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM)- Hmm.  Yeah, I think Massimo's time as a warm body lasted longer than Moulder's.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3)- No vote.

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7)- No vote.
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1)- Sure.  How Sergei got this far I dunno.  On the other hand, Luvdisc displaced Cathe (...I think), who really should be here (although probably to be struck down by Adam)
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT)
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3)- No vote.
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 05:36:39 PM »
Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Zemeckis (Brig)
Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5)
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN)
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2)

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4)
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6)
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Vitali (SN)
Aika (SoA) vs Arche Klein (ToP)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4)
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1)
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3)

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7)
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1)
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT)
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3)

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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 06:56:28 PM »
On the DQ4 stuff: Usual disclaimer that I played DQ4 ages ago.  But...  well, it's kind of like why I gave Wakka a 5/10 in the FFX in-game topic despite him being the best random encounter slayer (if we assume Yuna doesn't spam Aeons for randoms); random-slaying just isn't that important to me in such games.  Which is not to say that DQ4 dungeons are pushovers, but they tend to be more slogfests where it's Cristo (& Nara if you have the wagon)'s MP which is holding you up.  Killing monsters efficiently is good, yes, but if you get lost and/or kill the monsters inefficiently and run low on MP...  well, you call that a training / open treasure chests run, cast Outside, and try again with a full tank of HP/MP.  Annoying, yes, but not fatal.

For boss fights, turn order for non-healers doesn't matter very much.  Alena is producing roughly the same damage output as Ragnar, maybe trading more damage for less tanking.  So, yeah.  Even if we assume Alena is the best character for random encounters, she's not the best vs. bosses.  I have a tough time seeing Alena as MVP - if I were scoring DQ4 for the in-game use topic, Solofia is probably best due to actually being able to control him or her consistently in battle, and if we're talking remake / hacked so no AI then Cristo/Kiryl is probably MVP for his broken spells and being the healing battery.  Levin is an MVP in his cast to me, so.

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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 08:27:40 PM »
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On the DQ4 stuff: Usual disclaimer that I played DQ4 ages ago.  But...  well, it's kind of like why I gave Wakka a 5/10 in the FFX in-game topic despite him being the best random encounter slayer (if we assume Yuna doesn't spam Aeons for randoms); random-slaying just isn't that important to me in such games.  Which is not to say that DQ4 dungeons are pushovers, but they tend to be more slogfests where it's Cristo (& Nara if you have the wagon)'s MP which is holding you up.  Killing monsters efficiently is good, yes, but if you get lost and/or kill the monsters inefficiently and run low on MP...  well, you call that a training / open treasure chests run, cast Outside, and try again with a full tank of HP/MP.  Annoying, yes, but not fatal.


Which means what exactly? You can go back and heal in most games. Randoms are tough enough to push you and can kill you if you go into the wrong area underprepared in C5. Sure, you can go back and heal, but Alena is still by far your best source of offense for randoms, and unlike Ragnar's, it isn't hard to get her the weapon she needs to smash. Losing your best source of fast offense would make them tougher and be far more of a strain on your resources.

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For boss fights, turn order for non-healers doesn't matter very much.  Alena is producing roughly the same damage output as Ragnar, maybe trading more damage for less tanking.  So, yeah.  Even if we assume Alena is the best character for random encounters, she's not the best vs. bosses.  I have a tough time seeing Alena as MVP - if I were scoring DQ4 for the in-game use topic, Solofia is probably best due to actually being able to control him or her consistently in battle, and if we're talking remake / hacked so no AI then Cristo/Kiryl is probably MVP for his broken spells and being the healing battery.  Levin is an MVP in his cast to me, so.

Alena's ahead on bosses before critical hits factor in, and that makes a large difference.  She's also the easist out of the box to use for offense, since the Falcon Earrings are fairly cheap, while Ragnar needs at least a Dragon Killer to be respectable for bosses.  Kiryl's very useful with the AI off and comparable to Alena, but that offense just can't be replaced.
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 08:47:31 PM »
Heavy:
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - Um...jesus. This is super close for me since both are pretty much game best PCs to me. Neither is really replacable and it's not a case of A being directly better than B since they're both really good for different reasons. The defining factor that separates the two to me though is that Eph himself is almost going to be RNG proof. He's almost going to be incredibly powerful and he's always going to be one of the best units to deploy for that reason. Arnaud on the other hand, might not always be the preferred PC for the job (Hi Magic Blocker enemies), and even without him, you at least have somewhat of a fall back with another PC (Raq).

Light:
Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4) -  Tim's probably more of a Middle than a Light. First Aid alone, as already mentioned by Random, probably destroys whatever value Kain adds to the party.
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM) - Hay guize, Moulder healz for liek 2 moar mapz before a better healer comes along. I can't really imagine why you would keep using Moulder unless you really like his HIGHER CON so he can wield Elfire or something. I'm pretty sure he's worst than Natasha in almost everyway. And 2 maps worth doesn't beat Massimo here, who maintains a niche.

Onix:
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT) - You know what the big difference between these two are? Malak sucks. But he sucks right away when you get him. Now Mime? Add in hours of effort grinding to get up to that job class. And then he sucks. The best analogy I can think of for this, is the equivalent of financial instruments. Malak is a like a payable. He's there right away, but you can get rid of him quickly. Mime is like a bond. Not only do you have to pay interest, but once you finally get him, you have to pay a huge lump, usually 10x bigger than that of the payable.
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 09:21:00 PM »
Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Zemeckis (Brig) - If I could vote and use the Team Fortress 2 Medic as a gauge, I'd vote for them!
Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5) - Hero.  The more I think about it, the more useful I found the rest of the party in comparison to Yuna, first run-through of the game.  Yuna is good - but I...uh...didn't run Aeons my first time, and didn't find them that useful when I ran back and did it again. 
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN) - Revya.  Eh, again, I'd take out Ryu if I could.
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2) - Rolf.  Not close at all.

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4) - Alena.  Best on AI.
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1) - Sharon.
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - Nina.
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - Arnaud.  MVP vs. relatively replaceable.

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD) - Zidane.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8) - Angelo.
Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Vitali (SN) - Vitali.  Honestly, though, a cleric is a cleric, and Vitali's not the best leader for a squad.
Aika (SoA) vs Arche Klein (ToP) - Arche.  Synergy with Klarth.  Aika's Delta Shield kicks ass, really...but I think Arche is just a bit better.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4) - Tim
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1) - Gala
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM) - Massimo
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3) - Duran

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7) - Karla
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1) - Sergei
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT) - Mime
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3) - Koroku
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 09:41:41 PM »
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - FF6 has a lot of options, while BoF4, while easy, is easy because of the huge amounts of healing. Huge amounts of healing mostly come from Nina, so she's easily MVP, whereas Terra is 'merely' MVP - not by a huge margin.

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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2010, 11:03:22 PM »
Godlike:

Vote on 1  for each... goo those people

Heavy:

Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6)- Terra is better, but FF6 is also a lot easier, making her not really needed.
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8)- Same deal.  Ephraim is gamebest and Arnaud isn't, but without Ephraim FE8 is still a joke.  Without Arnaud WA4 is still very beatable, but noticeably tougher.

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD)- Meru is useful... but with MP Strike/Slayers/Trance Zidane does decent damage, and I still absolutely love stealing from bosses in FF9.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8)- Dude's logic works for me here


Light:

Fail

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT)- Epic showdown coming next week!
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3)- Worse than a bad dog.  Grats Dragon Master.

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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2010, 12:15:08 AM »
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random-slaying just isn't that important to me in such games

Yeah I couldn't disagree more for DQ4 (to be clear, I disagree in general, but especially in this case!). Game barely has any bosses at all, and a bunch of them are incompetent, and none great, while the game's randoms are thoroughly competent. Alena's fine for them anyway, best offence and such. She's just way ahead of everyone else at controlling randoms.

So yeah, I hold that taking away Levin really doesn't cost you much (setting aside the fact that he's not the MVP IMO), whereas you can't say the same for Alena. Arguably I'm saying that Levin is a victim of the XF system which lets anyone (specifically custom-stat generics which you have unlimited numbers of) be good, but meh.

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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2010, 02:18:57 AM »
Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Zemeckis (Brig): Can't vote.
Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5): DQ5 Hero has no place in Godlike, the fact that he got this far I cannot fathom (would have to look at who he fought); that said, Yuna should destroy him.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN): Can't vote.
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2): If nothing else, Deis is KIND OF replacable by Nina, Rolf is replacable by absolutely no one, combined with how he's there the entire game; Deis misses out roughly the first half of the game.

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4): Yeah, guess I'll go with the fact that the nature of XF's system makes it easier to replace Alena.
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1): Nina is absolutely invaluable at times; Sharon is really good, but feels like you wouldn't lose quite as much if you replaced her with Kazan or something.
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6): If nothing else, Nina's from a system that promotes individuality more, and she's already in running for game best PC cause of that, let alone there are a few skills she can get that offset her flaws.  Terra's best at what she does, but there's more options and technically more replacable due to FF6's magic system.
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8): If Arnaud was Raquel, this would be a match.  As a side note, someone like Eph being Heavy when the DQ5 Hero being Godlike I find offensive!

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD): First off, lol to the idea of Zidane being in Light; he's actually rather good in game, and if he sucks, a clear case of "you're doing it wrong", so don't even try to be cute like that.  THAT SAID, Meru's still better.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8): Alice feels kind of meh in that period after Cure stops being unique healing, and Arc kicks in, Angelo I remember being solid throughout.
Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Vitali (SN): Can't vote.
Aika (SoA) vs Arche Klein (ToP): ARche is good against everything, Aika is only really good against things that Delta SHield helps against.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4): Kain had a good run, but Tim belongs in Middle.
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1): Both are meh, but in Gala's credit, he has game best durability in a game where its more noticeable, and cannot be replaced...literally.  Natan is utterly unspecial in a game where many others can take his spot.
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM): Massimo is a forced Warm Body for a few chapters, Moulder is your only healer who gets obsoleted quickly...and yeah, during that section where "Eirika and Seth kill things dead" to boot, so healing si needed less.  Massimo can also be made useful throughout the game, if mostly as a pure back up, Moulder...never has a reason to be used after a point.
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3): Zhuzhen is game worst Item Boy in SH by default (slow and bad durability, huzzah!), Duran at least has the durability and healing and sabers thing.

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7): While Karla can break defense, she also can get perma-killed and is very good at it, so she can't even be used to reliably bait out hits.  Adam just costsyou a negligible amount of cash meanwhile.  Adam also is available first play through and doesn't require you use a specific PC the entire game.
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1): Suikoscrubs > Luvdisc.
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT): If nothing else, Malak can be TURNED INTO A MIME as an option, the fact that he has others makes him better by default.
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3): Super oversells some of the lesser damage characters, and I'm sorry, but the SUikodogs are just that awful.
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2010, 03:46:11 AM »
Aika (SoA) vs Arche Klein (ToP) - Both are random killers early on. Aika drops off and starts spamming the ever-awesome Delta Shield, which is damn near essential against bosses. Arche... keeps killing randoms, only Klarth can do it too.
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2010, 04:11:52 AM »
Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Zemeckis (Brig)
Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5) - Meeple has taken the words right out of my mouth here. DQ5 Hero would make a solid heavy, could maybe compete with the lot still in(though this is a pretty vicious Heavy), but Godlike? No.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN) - I'll vote on non-Revya SN chars, but not Rev. She apparently gets something big near the end that might tilt things, so.
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2) - Again, see Meeple.

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4)
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6)
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - Really close Heavy pool. Torn on every match I can vote on.

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD) - Zidane's a fine middle, Meru has an argument for Heavy in-game, I think. Of course if she was up there in this feild she'd have been crushed by now, but that's beside the point.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8) - Bow Angelo was generally good stuff. I'll put him over Alice, sure.
Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Vitali (SN)
Aika (SoA) vs Arche Klein (ToP)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4) - Yeah, Tim for Light champ.
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1) - Could be swayed on this, but meh.
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3) - Massimo vs Duran, asuming they both win here, should be interesting.

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7)
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1)
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT)
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3) - Mime vs Dragon Master will be...something.
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2010, 06:46:31 AM »
Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Zemeckis (Brig)
Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5)
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN)
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2)

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4)
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6)
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Vitali (SN)
Aika (SoA) vs Arche Klein (ToP)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4)
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1)
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM)
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3)

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7)- uuuugh
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1)
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT)- uuuugh
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3)- uuugh
« Last Edit: April 02, 2010, 06:48:13 AM by Ciato »
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2010, 10:16:24 AM »
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN) - I'll vote on non-Revya SN chars, but not Rev. She apparently gets something big near the end that might tilt things, so.

If you are only abstaining because of that right at endgame thing, it really isn't worth much in game considering it exists for about 3 seconds before the game ends.
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2010, 12:26:49 PM »
Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Zemeckis (Brig) - Zemeckis
Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5) - Yuna
Ryu (BoF3) vs Revya (SN) - Ryu
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2) - Rolf

Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4) - Levin
Sharon (LoL2) vs Nina (BoF1) - Sharon
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6) - Terra
Arnaud G. Vasquez (WA4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - Arnaud

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD) - Meru
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs Angelo (DQ8) - Alice
Albert Serdio (LoD) vs Vitali (SN) - Vitali
Aika (SoA) vs Arche Klein (ToP) - ...*sigh*... Aika.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4) - Tim
Natan (SH3) vs Gala (LoL1) - Gala
Moulder (FE8) vs Massimo (MMXCM) - Moulder
Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3) - Duran

Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7) - Karla
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1)
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT) - Mime
Dragon Master (OB) vs Koroku (S3) - Koroku

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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2010, 11:21:24 PM »
Heavy:

Levin Brenton (WA:XF) vs Alena (DQ4)
Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6)

Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD)- Magic, speed, competant physical, in the end Meru does it all =-)

Light:

Zhuzhen Liu (SH1) vs Duran (SD3)
« Last Edit: April 02, 2010, 11:23:25 PM by Clear Tranquil »
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Re: In game use Week 7- Karla meets her match.
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2010, 05:11:25 PM »

Yuna (FFX) vs Hero (DQ5)
Rolf Landale (PS2) vs Deis (BoF2)

Heavy:

Nina (BoF4) vs Terra Branford (FF6)


Middle:

Zidane Tribal (FF9) vs Meru (LoD)


Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Kain Highwind (FF4)


Onix:- Vote for the worst of the two in this division.

Adam (SF1) vs Karla (FE7)- Only exist in hector mode vs exists the entire time. Yeah, I think Adam is slightly better here, at least you can egress to level him up unlike Karla
Luvdisc (RSE) vs Sergei (S1)- Heart scales>>>> Sergei
Malak Galthana (FFT) vs Mime (FFT)