In game use week 8- I take no blame for any trauma caused by the Onix division.

[superaielman]

Medic 2, Zemeckis 1
Yuna 9, Hero 1
Ryu3 7, Revya 1
Rolf 5, Deis 1

Alena 7, Levin 5
Sharon 7, Nina1 3
Nina4 11, Terra 6
Ephraim 11, Arnaud 4

Meru 10, Zidane 5
Alice 7, Angelo 7
Vitali 7, Albert 0
Aika 5, Arche 2

Tim 14, Kain 2
Gala 5, Natan 3
Massimo 9, Moulder 3
Duran 10, Zhuzhen 3

Adam 7, Karla 4
Luvdisc 6, Sergei 5
Mime 17, Malak 0
Dragon Master 7, Koroku 4

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX)
Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2)

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Vitali (SN) vs Aika (SoA)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1)
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3)

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE)
Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB)

[superaielman]

Godlike:

Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2)- Go away Rolf.

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8)- Third best PC out of a cast of four trumps Meru.
Vitali (SN) vs Aika (SoA)- Delta Shield kicks too much ass.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1)- Fuck this.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3)- And this.

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB)- *sob*. Both are castworst units in large SRPG games, both take a lot of time and effort to unlock, both manage to fail at skillsets completely. Mime has some limited up/down use and I suppose you can MIME SINGING?!?! Dragon Master is in theory good at hosting units with Dragons, but Dragons: Suck ass as PC's, are hard to get, and the bonus from doing so isn't all that great. That and the Dragoons can do that as well. Um. Hatbot time, as I can't decide this slapfight of fail otherwise.

Hatbot says Mime 'wins'.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike:

Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2) - Ryu vs. Yuna finals gogogo.

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL1) - This is a match. However, I just think Alena's even more valuable in DQ4 than Sharon, mainly due to you having to work harder to get Sharon to be as awesome as Alena on offense, and Alena quite possibly goes further after you factor in Bikill.
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - -Another- good match. But this is just kneejerking. Eph... might feel better in his own game, but Nina shatters the game in more versatile ways, I feel.

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8) - Mmmmm. Never felt Angelo had a truly bad window (even in the early game, being a decently fast healing battery was a solid niche, and he gets randombusting support fairly early too), and there was a point where he simply trivialized bosses. Meru, as strong as she gets in both offensive niches, has a very rocky start that lasts for a whole CD.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1) - Pffft. Gala should have gone away like three weeks ago, Tim is probably a Middle.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3) - Eh.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - Jesus christ Adam you totally suck.
Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB) - Dragon Master's epic battles in the world of failure end here. You need to be Adam to fail at least as hard as Mime.
   

[VySaika]

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX) - Gruh. Yuna is...better, but less nessesary, I want to say. EO1 was hard enough that without a Medic I'm not sure I would have beaten it. FFX, not so much. Feels a bit like just voting for the harder game instead of the better character here, but that does factor into it. When I ask myself 'which one would I give up first?', the answer is very clear.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2) - See above, basically the exact same reasoning.

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8) - Mmm. Think I found Angelo more vital overall at endgame, though he lagged a bit before Multiheal. Not overly sure about this one, but it feels right.
Vitali (SN) vs Aika (SoA) - Yeah, Delta Sheild and fast random smashing is good enough here.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1) - Gala's not bad, but Tim is in the wrong division here.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3)  - I'm...not too sure here. Going with Massimo on grounds that you can switch him OUT when he's not needed, while you can't for Duran. Massimo has his moments in the sun, and I apparently got alot more use out of Duran then is normal, so they're pretty comparible otherwise. Maybe an odd tiebreaker, but it makes sense to me, so.

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - Uhhh...credit for heart scales? Yeah. That's better then anything Adam brings to the table.
Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB) - I...am not sure here. Mime is terrible. But so is Dragon Master. They both take alot of effort to get, they are both a complete waste of space. I...suppose Dragon Masters can recruit decently strong dragons as the tiebreaker? The dragons aren't even that good, but better then the DM itself at least. Man.

[superaielman]

I...suppose Dragon Masters can recruit decently strong dragons as the tiebreaker? The dragons aren't even that good, but better then the DM itself at least. Man.

PC's you recruit in towns have worse stats than ones you raise yourself or recruit. Dragon Masters ALSO only recruit red/black/silver dragons, so you're getting a L20 PC that should have class changed something like 5-7 levels ago if you recruit them as soon as a Dragon Master can be made.

[BaconForTheSoul]

Godlike:

Yuna vs Ryu final plz?

Heavy:


Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)- As usual, Ephraim is game best and everything but that game is a joke, making him not as useful.  Without Nina, BoF4 would be noticeably harder.

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8)- Skillset is a lot better.

Light:

Fail

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB) - You could in theory have some use fro Dragon Master if you didn't have the rep to recruit the Dragoons?  I can't find a theoretical use for Mime.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL1): You could match Sharon well enough with a twinked Lang, I'd think. Legaia 2 is that kind of game. DQ4... it's... basically impossible to match Alena. Nearest thing would be to spend fifty million in the casino and get a Meteor Armband for Sofia, but even then we're talking less power and not quite as much speed so notably worse at the same job despite the effort.
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8): Yikes. Thinking.

For the record, ahaha at the idea that FE8 is easier than BoF4. Although the argument that Nina is more responsible for her game being so easy is a valid one, perhaps. Like I said, thinking.

Heavy reads more like Godlike now. <.<

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8): Angelo isn't really impressive except during the window Multiheal is around. Granted, Meru also has problems, she's... basically a worse Shana until she gets her spirit, but she really takes off, more than Angelo does overall even if she doesn't quite have that good window.

Light:

Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3): Massimo isn't even pushed out of the top 3 PCs until Axl joins (yeah, earlygame X is kinda subpar) and always has a niche past that. Still a decent fight, but yeah.

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE): Screw Heart Scales, Luvdisc craps on Adam for combat viability anyway.

[Random Consonant]

Godlike:

what

Heavy:

Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - I guess?

Middle:

more what

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1) - BUT BUT GALA HAS GAMEBEST MAGIC OMG

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - I guess?

[Monkeyfinger]

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX)

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Vitali (SN) vs Aika (SoA)

Light:

Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3)

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE)
Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB)

[Taishyr]

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX) - Gutchecking Medic; in the harder game.

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL2) - Lang lacks the speed to match twinked Sharon, and speed does matter for a lot of the cool twinkups. So. I'll probably be outvoted here but hey.
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - ...seconding NEB on thinking, and also that this reads kinda like a Low Godlike field.

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1)
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3)

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB) - I have demonstrated the proper use of Mime. It is hard to do in FFT but Dragon Masters suck balls too. So eh hey this works.

[DjinnAndTonic]

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX) - Ugh... I dunno. Yuna's better but EO's harder without Medic...
Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2) - Similarly...

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL2) - No vote.
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Vitali (SN) vs Aika (SoA) - Vitali's great, but he -is- replacable with generics for most setups.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1) - I think Gala is a high Light, but Tim's a Middle.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3)

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE) - Adam is theorectically useable with Egress whoring.
Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB) - *trauma*

[Meeplelard]

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX): Can't vote.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2): Ryu3 matches Rolf in everything that let Rolf get this far, and then beats him in plenty of areas that Rolf can't really combat.  Rolf would need Megid to not have a downside *AND* be gotten like 20 levels earlier to stand a chance, and even then, I'm not sure he wins.

I should note that Rolf at least deserved to be in Godlike, unlike several others such as Cecil or the DQ5 Main; Rolf's actually overpowered enough (just not Ryu level), those two are not, and clearly worse than most of the Heavies from this week (and a few from last week too.)


Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL1): Yeah, Elfboy's Argument works; Sharon can be duplicated for the most part, and honsetly never felt she stood out THAT much (she was good though, make no mistake.)  Alena is your best offensive PC and cannot be duplicated.
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8): Yikes this is a tough one.  I'm...gonna give Nina the tie break based on how she wins in usability; Ephraim misses most of the early game and half the split path maps.  Note that I'm only using usability here AS A TIE BREAK, and not really holding it against Ephraim; this match is exceedingly close.

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8): Angelo feels like he should be in Heavy, Meru feels more like strong middle, which is to say she's alright, but not stand out.
Vitali (SN) vs Aika (SoA): Can't vote.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1): Gala is clearly the game worst PC, Tim's actually not that bad for the most part.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3): Duran can take up a slot of another, potentially more useful PC; Massimo can be swapped out in case he's failing and is a warm body for earlier parts when there's no competition.  He also works for a quick Meat Shield with one shot of good damage.

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE): I don't give Luvdisc credit for Heart Scales.
Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB): Mime's require as much effort as Dragon Master to get, and can actually be detrimental to your team if you set things up poorly!  At least Dragon Master won't directly bite you in the ass.

[dude789]

Heavy:
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)-Nina is in a much harder game and she plays a vital role that no one can effectively replace. Ephraim is one of the best, but others can be just as good and some are better (Tana and a few others). FE8 without Ephraim wouldn't change much outside of a few maps. BoF4 without Nina is a challenge playthrough.

[BaconForTheSoul]

Okay BoF4 is easy because almost all RPGs are easy since they are designed to be beaten by idiots.  Naturally the people that frequent this forum will have no trouble with 90% of them.

FE8 takes this to another level by being soloable by half a dozen people outside of hard mode.  Yes, a game that let's you use 10-12 people can be soloed.  On hard mode... I bet it would take 3 of those 10.

[Dark Holy Elf]

News flash, almost every FE can be soloed, because of the Exp and resources being focussed onto one person. FE9 is braindead easy to solo, FE7 would be too if not for the final chapter, FE1 is, etc.

It is still a SRPG and by nature is harder than BoF4 because it punishes you for mistakes more. I love BoF4 but it has about 2-3 bosses who have a non-negligible chance of killing you and crumples under even a modicum of effort, whereas in FE8 you're always just one (often short) set of errors from losing a PC.

Also I bet BoF4 could be soloed easily enough anyway.

[Dark Holy Elf]

I don't give Luvdisc credit for Heart Scales.

Adam does 1 damage to EVERY ENEMY IN THE GAME after he joins. You have to chip enemies to 1 HP (in a game with random damage) so he can kill them, so that he can level. It's like levelling Sothe without BExp in FE9. And unless you Egress cheese (which lets you level ANYONE to be awesome) he'll never catch up even with killfeeding because he joins with SIX MAPS LEFT.

Luvdisc isn't nearly this bad. He has a real skillset and while his stats suck they still let him do a modicum of damage. He can surf things (doing about half the damage of a real water, but hey), or use his good speed to inflict Charm or Attract, both reasonably cool effects. Terrible pokemon? Hell yes. Less useful than someone who does 1 damage to everyone? Not a chance.

[Cmdr_King]

Hum.  Comment free this week.

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX)- no vote.
Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2)- No vote.

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL2)
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Vitali (SN) vs Aika (SoA)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1)- No vote.
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3)- No vote.

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE)- No vote.
Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB)- No vote.

[Talaysen]

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX) - oh what don't want to think about this anymore
Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2)

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Vitali (SN) vs Aika (SoA)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1)
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3)

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE)
Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB)

[alanna82]

Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2)- hey look, its a match I agree with!

Heavy:

Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)- WHY ARE YOU TWO STILL HERE! Both of you should have lost in the first round. I guess Nina is more useful for healing, though I used Ryu, Ershin and Ursula as my main team. Ephraim is replacible by almost anyone since FE8 is so easy! I beat the game using all "bad" characters. On HARD mode.

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8)- Why arent you in heavy Angelo, I got more use out of you than the two above! Meru is still good though.

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE)- again, heart scales. This should be Sergei vs Karla.

[BaconForTheSoul]

I don't see how that even defends your argument.  If FE games are indeed so easy, Ephraim isn't even that necessary.  Obviously I'm not going to change your vote, nor do I care if I do, so I don't know why I'm continuing this... but Ephraim is just "Overpowered character number 7" in FE8.  He's slightly better than the other overpowered characters and he brings nothing new to the table except having a second customized weapon all to himself and slightly better stats than the others.  As for soloing BoF4... I'd be curious to hear if anyone here has done it.  Not saying it's impossible, but it sure wouldn't be fun.

[Luther Lansfeld]

I don't think FE is really that easy. FE8 is not that easy; there are a few maps in the middle of the game that are difficult. Just because the end of a game is easy doesn't mean the entire game is easy. Sure, 6 and 7 are harder. And if you are talented at the game, you can solo most things.

[Luther Lansfeld]

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX)
Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2)

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL1)
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8)
Vitali (SN) vs Aika (SoA)

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1)
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3)

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE)
Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB)

[Yoshiken]

Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)- WHY ARE YOU TWO STILL HERE! Both of you should have lost in the first round. I guess Nina is more useful for healing, though I used Ryu, Ershin and Ursula as my main team. Ephraim is replacible by almost anyone since FE8 is so easy! I beat the game using all "bad" characters. On HARD mode.

what is this i don't even

In BoF4, who the hell did you use for healing? Nina is broken even if she's not in your main party, because she switches in for a turn, heals shit, and goes back to the reserves again. Regardless, she is damn useful for Revitalise alone.

And a game being versatile does not necessarily make it easy. FE8 does have some hard maps (hi desert stage!) and it's just knowing the game and being tactical that makes it easier.

Anyways, actual votes:

Godlike:
Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX) - Okay, this is a tough one, definitely. Bluelike? Probably. Anyways, deciding factor for me is that EO1 is harder, BUT Yuna would break it apart if she were there, while Medic merely makes it tolerable. Medic in FFX would break it, but probably not as much as Yuna? So yeah, feel like Yuna definitely deserves this, but... hm, tough match.

Heavy:
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8) - Yeah, breaks the game more. Both games can be beaten with pretty much any team and a little thought, but Nina fits a niche perfectly that makes the game infinitely easier. Eph doesn't have anything particular going for him past SMAAAAAASH which others can cover just as easily.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8)- WHY ARE YOU TWO STILL HERE! Both of you should have lost in the first round. I guess Nina is more useful for healing, though I used Ryu, Ershin and Ursula as my main team. Ephraim is replacible by almost anyone since FE8 is so easy! I beat the game using all "bad" characters. On HARD mode.

what is this i don't even

In BoF4, who the hell did you use for healing? Nina is broken even if she's not in your main party, because she switches in for a turn, heals shit, and goes back to the reserves again. Regardless, she is damn useful for Revitalise alone.

Don't forget how crazy she gets at randombusting (even if this is also Ursula's merit, since she's half the equation of loldeadrandoms once she joins). On the point of the -other- healer, let's not speak of the waste of time that is using Scias of the lower-end AP and below average magic as your primary healer, particularly when he has one of the best ST damage moves for bosses.

[Pyro]

Note my criteria for judging is "which one would hurt more if I were to give them up for a generic fighter/mage type.

Godlike:

Medic (EO1) vs Yuna (FFX): If I could vote off EO2 Medic I might well vote for her. EO1 is supposed to be better so...
Ryu (BoF3) vs Rolf Landale (PS2)

Heavy:

Alena (DQ4) vs Sharon (LoL1): Alena was smash.
Nina (BoF4) vs Ephraim (FE8): I don't want to think about some of those bosses without Nina.

Middle:

Meru (LoD) vs Angelo (DQ8): Multiheal was a godsend.
Vitali (SN) vs Aika (SoA): *fast* randomsmashing and Delta Shield are still a godsend.

Light:

Tim Rhymeless (WA2) vs Gala (LoL1): Gala at least had a lot of MP and HP, and being slow meant you could rely on him to be consistent about when he healed in the round if you were going for spamming MT healing (which was a decent idea late)
Massimo (MMXCM) vs Duran (SD3): Uh. No idea.

Onix:- Vote for the bigger loser.

Adam (SF1) vs Luvdisc (RSE)
Mime (FFT) vs Dragon Master (OB)