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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #75 on: February 13, 2017, 07:51:33 AM »
I think I hit burnnout point where progression is just shitty and end game grindans are just kind of empty.

Post 20 leveling is super slow.  Later it gets the worse it is.  Sub 4* is untenable in late 20sish content and even that is sketchy.  Random maps are pretty much a shit fight depending on entirely on if you roll Calavier Mages or not.  Even if you have WTA of you don't have killer Res they are still likely to one or two shot you.  Hope you don't think you can fight mages with Mages because lol Res out the arse.  Okay you got that sorted?  Now keep everyone else you want to level a billion miles away from that enemy with 3 move and range.  Death = no Exp. 

Also enjoy picking between Training maps where you either spend more stamina to do something that out levels you, a map full of mages that hard counter your team or something that gets you no Exp.  The hard counter might even be bad Exp because your choices were a 20, a 23 or 32.

Combine that with Arena being shitty and the best way to get Feathers you are stuck in a pretty bad gameplay loop.

I think I might try and find a story map that is okay for my party?   What I really need is a Blue character that isn't hot garbage.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2017, 08:21:48 AM »
Decided to do one last pull on the banner I was at 4% at, since I hit 40 orbs. FINALLY GOT A 5 STAR

Camilla, but still, I'll take it.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #77 on: February 13, 2017, 02:40:00 PM »
Yeah Grefter pretty much sums up my experience.  Leveling is stupid as hell.  You can't even auto-level because you need those large crystals that don't drop anywhere.  Why are Lunatic story maps easier than Hard training missions?

All in all this feels like someone's first attempt at a mobile game when they hadn't actually played a mobile game before but just had some of the concepts described to them.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #78 on: February 13, 2017, 03:47:04 PM »
Decided to do one last pull on the banner I was at 4% at, since I hit 40 orbs. FINALLY GOT A 5 STAR

Camilla, but still, I'll take it.

Jealousy.

Finally got my first five-star too: Lyn. I'm certainly not gonna complain; it could just as easily have been Roy.

I can't speak to the general post-L20 metagame (as my highest is L23 and that's a 3-star, so I'll be waiting on my 4/5-stars to catch up) but mages aren't that bad? Having a high-res 2-range to bait them is extremely effective (I even often use Clarine for this, which isn't optimum; various decently-levelled shuriken-user would probably do better).

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2017, 05:36:22 PM »
Mages are fine, it's the mage cavaliers specifically who can go jump in a ditch. They combine long range and cavalier mobility with damage far above what a physical cavalier would have, more in line with an armored knight. And they're hitting a defensive stat that seems to be subpar across the board -- even characters who should be magic tanks tend to get slaughtered by equivalent-level mounted spellcasters.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #80 on: February 13, 2017, 07:32:14 PM »
Agreed that the cavaliers have too much offense for a 3 move unit, but Res heavy units that can weather their assault/bait them out do exist. Red is overpresented right now, both in the overall pool and on the focus banner, and low Res tends to be the weakness on that color, since a lot of them are sword lords.

I rotated through several fliers (Palla, Est, Florina) to deal with them for a while. Most pegasus/wyvern knights have solid Res, although of course if you didn't draw any then it gets a lot much more awkward since the other high Res units tend to be mages themselves. Fliers themselves are also weak to archers, but you can't realistically cover everything, so it becomes necessary to switch up your team a bit depending on the previewed enemy composition.

Really the main problem is that you can just easily get fucked on your gacha draws and not have a diverse enough pool to cover holes like this. Lacking a good blue seems to be a really common theme. And the stat checks are pretty real; you'll pretty much want 4* minimum by 30 (promote promising chars to 4* with your free 10k feathers if need be).
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #81 on: February 13, 2017, 07:53:21 PM »
My code is 4195292567. My team is Camilla <3, Leo, Lyn, and Clarine.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #82 on: February 13, 2017, 08:47:27 PM »
Yeah my blues are certainly my weakest. The next banner may fix that, especially since Ephraim is probably gonna be there?

I've already promoted two people to 4* and am debating who else to send along. Also have to resolve whether I'm gonna promote my L20 3* Arthur or just start again with my L1 4* Arthur, latter is probably the right choice since feathers don't seem to restock that quickly even though you start with a lot; the one arena pile a week looks awfully little now.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #83 on: February 13, 2017, 09:12:11 PM »
Feathers are worth significantly more than Stamina even taking into account Time.  Level curve is similar to Stamina curve of levels.  1-20 happens quick and levels don't cost much Stamina.   Oh and 25 orbs maxed your castle out and doubles Exp gains if you haven't already.

I would either throw together a garbage leveling team to sink some time into on the 4* Arthur (this is where a healer is great to use, they slot into a leveling team easy) or if you can run it, just have him solo/duo maps with some support.   I dunno if it works for Arthur but the 3* Tiki I had is now a 4* level 30 and that wasn't too painful throwing her up against higher level stuff with a healer that buffs Def.

Shanna not so much and she is lagging.

Also I wanna run through something on Tiki.   I don't know if this was in TMS and I missed it, but there is something in her art that bugs my brain out hard.

Most of her other art has her just in like a mini dress or long tunic getup.   Sometimes alternate length frilly stockings/socks or something but this art here of sexy adult Tiki is weird.



The mini dress is fine.  The massive split up the side makes you wonder is she is wearing underwear at all (or if it exists it sits reeeeeeeally high up on the hip.  Then she has knee high boots, stockings and garter belts.

We also clearly see from the slit up the side of the leg that she doesn't have a garter on at least the left leg.  So how does it work?  Does she wear something all the way up at the improbable waistline posited previously?

Then it struck me.  They aren't garters to keep the stockings up.  Obviously they are connected to the dress itself and are there to stop the dress riding up during general day to day wear or getting caught in a light breeze.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #84 on: February 13, 2017, 09:15:13 PM »
Please continue your fashion cases so that I have something to look forward to in 2017

Also, yes, very definitely yes level 4* you have over promoting 3* of the same unit; you only promote if you don't think you'll pull something better for that slot anytime soon (orb shortage, whatever). Feathers are precious. But at the same time fielding 3* late is just not practical.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #85 on: February 13, 2017, 09:22:52 PM »
Not gonna lie, some of the art has some touches that gives me Suikoden 1/4 vibes and it kinda got that part of my brain going (everything like Eliwood would be it.  Someone with less of a defined linework style than the rest of the hoist style and something around the eyes just hits that same beat as Suiko 1)
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #87 on: February 14, 2017, 06:40:11 AM »
Alright I am gonna need a professional opinion on this.

Trance, is this Leo deliberately being contrarian by calling tomatoes his favourite Vegetable in yet another Tsundere act or does he just want the V?


Edit - who wore it best???



Edit 2 - okay so after a week of struggling for wins against hard counters on intermediate with a Hector+Sakura duo, decided to do Advanced for quest.   7 wins in a row against Hectors and Takumi/trash groups.  I don't understand.

It only got me 1600 rating but it was fast and painless.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #89 on: February 15, 2017, 01:05:46 PM »
So new banner is a thing.  It threw 2 full draws at it, got Julia a 5* Green mage, just what I needed except not really.   She does counter dragons pretty damn hard though.  Got some 4* as well.  Highlight is Cain who  t level 1 legit had 0 speed.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #90 on: February 15, 2017, 02:09:00 PM »
Got 5 star Minerva, who is one hell of a glass cannon, and 4 star Fae and Clarine. Clarine is my first legit healer, so that's great, and Fae can be an effective tank in the right setup.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #91 on: February 15, 2017, 04:34:42 PM »
40 orbs spent so far, whole lot of nothing.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #92 on: February 15, 2017, 05:13:35 PM »
4 pulls from saving up. Got 5* Jakob and 5* Ephraim. Like I needed more grey types. I do note that my Ephraim is paper thin against mages though.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #93 on: February 15, 2017, 05:33:17 PM »
I haven't got a single 5* until I pulled 5* Eirika and Jeorge from the same summon pack.  I have zero good green units, unless 4* HAWKEYE is amazing.  My only 4* blue? ODIN FUCKING DARK.

I have 6 4* male Corrins.

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« Reply #94 on: February 15, 2017, 06:14:00 PM »
I want to get a Male Corrin. And Eirika. But alas, Female Corrins and Eliwoods are always in my way.

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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #95 on: February 15, 2017, 06:40:44 PM »
I tried so hard to fit Odin into my team because he's my only blue mage and for a while was my only 4* blue, period, but JESUS he's bad. If I told him to step on a fly he'd do three damage and then the fly would counterattack and come out ahead in the bargain.

(My current plan is just to run Roy, Takumi, and Minerva with a healer or dancer and just forego blue coverage unless it's absolutely needed. When it is needed, Florina, Sully or Oboro can fill in.)
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #96 on: February 15, 2017, 10:28:51 PM »
Level 40 stat bases for the new focus heroes, since that honestly tends to be as important if not more than the skill list. Natures are usually +3/-3. Weapon and passive stat bonuses from skills are factored in.

Eirika
HP 42
ATK 42
SPD 35
DEF 26
RES 28
Verdict: Pile of buffs for support. Good speed, bad attack. Notably worse than the typical red sword lord for actual combat as a result, and no Falchion. If you already have someone with Hone Atk, she's pretty meh as they don't stack with the weapon aura. If you don't, though, she's pretty great with Nino or Tharja to take advantage of their tomes.

Ephraim
HP 45
ATK 51
SPD 26 (!!)
DEF 32
RES 20
Verdict: That speed.

Seliph
HP 52
ATK 50
SPD 24 (!!)
DEF 30
RES 22
Verdict: That speed, part 2. Also red is worse than blue right now, too many other good red units to compete against.

Julia
HP 38
ATK 39
SPD 30
DEF 17
RES 32
Verdict: Ranged dragonkiller is kinda nice? Not terribly fast though. Breath of Life might actually be usable on a ranged unit.
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #97 on: February 16, 2017, 12:41:14 AM »
...why the hell is SELIPH slow?  He was one of the FE Protagonists I would assume is fast (alongside Eirika and Lyn obviously).
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Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Topic: You knew this was coming!
« Reply #98 on: February 16, 2017, 12:56:39 AM »
Not like Ephraim being slow is any less of a betrayal of in-game, but Heroes has this crazy thing where it insists on balancing units who were good at everything for some reason.

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« Reply #99 on: February 16, 2017, 03:54:55 AM »
Also making Hector and Takumi god tier in arena.

I do wonder...would Ephraim, Takumi, Corrin, Lissa be a good combo? Or should I keep Ephraim out and Marth in?